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It's fact that 76/1246/10 (16.4 YPC) and 68/1085/12 (16.0 YPC) is not performing at high levels?
Yeah that's where I was hoping he would go. It would have been a great fit and Sutton would have gotten off to a fast start.
Let's see him play some games first. That said, I just took him 12.05 in a high stakes draft which literally just ended. He went in the 18th in another one I did a week or so ago.
95 yard TD again yesterday against Roby. You're right in general we should wait until he's played some regular season games but keep in mind the secondary he's doing this against is widely regarded as one of the better units in the league.
Rhythmdoctor said:
They definitely have misses. I'd still trust them more than anyone else on projecting talent.Milkman said:
That's really all there's left to say. If he can't admit that Sutton produced well in college where can you go from there.
To me it’s easy- Treadwell was similar stature and everyone thought he was going to be great. He has the size nfl teams covet. If you talked about his lack of speed and explosiveness it was explained away- “he wins at the catch point/he’s really young and could still be growing/etc”. Fast forward and he has trouble separating and hasn’t seen the field much.
I agree that there will be some regrets. He’s been strangely overlooked this offseason by analysts. I can’t believe how short term the thinking is in dynasty - the consensus view is to take all these RBs, half of whom probably won’t pan out and are average talents being boosted by situation, over Sutton, who I think has legit WR potential. All because he’s supposedly “blocked” by two older WRs who might be gone next year. Are we playing dynasty or redraft here? He was my 1.02 all offseason and I’m just glad I didn’t need to trade up to get him anywhere.
I got JuJu and Jeffery at good value because of numbers drop. Late first is where Sutton is currently being drafted, beyond that is value IMO and overpay if you pick him earlier (dynasty). Would have loved to walk away with early RB and Sutton 2nd round in a rookie draft.
I agree he doesn’t look like treadwell other than the size. Lots of articles around draft time making the comparison though. I still like a lot of the rbs, and guys I liked ended up in what I think are good situations, but a lot of guys have some knock against them. Chubb has hyde there (and no guarantee he isn’t there next year), Jones struggling to overtake barber and in pass game, michel is banged up and has coughed it up. Penny looks like a timeshare with Carson at the moment. I think Moore and Sutton make a strong case.
Yeah I probably missed the boat on him because Waldman and Bloom were dissing him pretty badly on an FBG podcast. I generally respect them, and did not do as much of my own research/game cut up viewing as normal - so I passed on him where I had a chance to grab him.
I'm not sure if this is fair though. In a league where all we hear is how RBs are being devalued, these RBs all went with premium picks (first round and early to mid second round). While of course half may not end of panning out, the NFL teams obviously feel they all are above average talents or they would have passed and grabbed a RB later.
In fairness, it was more Waldman (who has just as many hits) than Bloom talking down Sutton's game - but Bloom was in agreement and chiming in. I'll also say this was a one time pre-draft commentary made on that one particular podcast, so it's possible they each had changed their views at a later date in time.
Back in May he was someone I liked but not nearly as much as I like him now, however that might just be due to owning him and convincing yourself the guy is awesome, but with some good camp reports sprinkled in there.
Agree he’s not a lock and obviously needs to refine his game - this was one of the big knocks on him for immediate value - that he “needs to develop” or the classic “needs to improve his route running”. Of course he does, they all do, but I thought for some reason this was overstated with Sutton compared to guys like Ridley, Kirk and DJ Moore. None of them come in as finished products yet sometimes we have trouble viewing a player as anything other than what he is right now.
That’s true but to me Jones, Penny and Kerryon were overdrafted and I’d be surprised if they were elite RBs. I like Freeman but even he doesn’t really have high end traits and he was a third round pick. Guice, Chubb and Michel have talent but I’m not convinced they will even produce more than Sutton in year 1 and that’s supposed to be a main reason why everyone takes RBs over Sutton in rookie drafts. So it doesn’t make much sense to me. Goedert is the TE version of Sutton, similar thing basically and now people are starting to warm up.Dr. Octopus said:
....and Anthony Miller and Ronald Jones with 3 1st round picks.
