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what value does Crowell have for a rebuilder? I would have rather gotten a draft pick.10 team ppr start 9
A gave Crowell
B gave Hogan
A contender, B rebuilder
Hogan wins this easy
what value does Crowell have for a rebuilder? I would have rather gotten a draft pick.10 team ppr start 9
A gave Crowell
B gave Hogan
A contender, B rebuilder
I received Hogan. Rebuilder hoping to flip Crowell in a package maybe? I offered the trade and was hoping for a counter at best.what value does Crowell have for a rebuilder? I would have rather gotten a draft pick.
Hogan wins this easy
I’ll take Crowell. The guy is 25, not an aging high mileage guy.10 team ppr start 9
A gave Crowell
B gave Hogan
A contender, B rebuilder
How is a random 2019 1st worth a 4th in a startup? Is that the standard going rate?
In my experience in FFPC future 1sts are usually 4th-6th in startup drafts. Usually what happens is the team giving up those 1sts are selling out for year 1 so they tend to be later 1sts. I might be a bit off with that and if they are late, I could see how it's closer to the 6th than 4th so that makes sense.Agreed. Random 1st is worth more like a 6th/7th than 4th.
So a rebuilding team traded away sure fire stud second year RB? I like Guice a lot but we can’t say for sure he can play at this level and that first is likely to be late.Aunt Jemima said:FFPC today, Team A is probable playoff team competing for this year, Team B is rebuilding
Team A gives Guice and Team A's 2019 1st
Team B gives Fournette
Having one good player isn’t going to hurt a rebuild. I mean even when rebuilding you should have a couple of good young players on your team or your rebuild is going to be a long undertaking.I prefer Guice as a player to Fournette as well. The team situations come into play as well here. If he is rebuilding Fournette is only going to hurt his draft pick so getting Guice for next year while improving his own draft pick is a win
Agree. Prefer Crowell.I’ll take Crowell. The guy is 25, not an aging high mileage guy.
I’m sure it happened, so not disputing it. More didn’t see it a lot. was more used to seeing 4th for 8th or 9th + 2019 1st.In my experience in FFPC future 1sts are usually 4th-6th in startup drafts. Usually what happens is the team giving up those 1sts are selling out for year 1 so they tend to be later 1sts. I might be a bit off with that and if they are late, I could see how it's closer to the 6th than 4th so that makes sense.
Even before Guice slipped he was never considered anywhere near a top 5 pick. Mocks before any of the off the field stuff came out had him anywhere from mid 1st to mid 2nd, which is very different than #4 overall.Pass catching alone makes me rank them almost the same. I still have Fournette ahead because of what he's proved so far but Guice is the better prospect to me with an all around game for fantasy purposes. I have very little doubt that Guice will outproduce Fournette when he plays, the only difference is you have to wait to see Guice do it, but it will happen.
There was plenty of speculation on why Guice slipped to the 2nd. So feel free to keep grasping at that, but there were plenty of people that do that sort of thing professionally to project their slot that had him as a 1st round guy, just like Fournette. I liked Guice more as a prospect than Fournette before their draft position.
Yeah, standard going rate at least in FFPC startups I've been in is a startup 6th for a future 1st, or startup 5th for a future 1st+2nd. This is so ironed out in the FFPC startups I've done that when people are doing startup trades in FFPC leagues I've been in they literally plug the value of the future 1st into trade calculators as pick 6.07.I’m sure it happened, so not disputing it. More didn’t see it a lot. was more used to seeing 4th for 8th or 9th + 2019 1st.
Maybe not, but in reality the Jags are stupid enough to take Fournette that high as well. No RB should go that high in a draft. Ever. Saquon is the best RB prospect EVER, and he shouldn't have gone that high either. I don't put much stock into how high Fournette went, because I view that as a dumb choice.Even before Guice slipped he was never considered anywhere near a top 5 pick. Mocks before any of the off the field stuff came out had him anywhere from mid 1st to mid 2nd, which is very different than #4 overall.
Obviously everyone can feel differently about prospects but from a consensus standpoint as NFL prospects they weren't even close. Receiving ability can certainly change things for fantasy purposes but it's not like we're talking McCaffrey vs. Jordan Howard here. Guice was used even less as a receiver than Fournette in college and Fournette already has an NFL season with pretty solid receiving numbers under his belt. His 16 game pace was 45 catches last year. Are you really expecting Guice in Washington to exceed that very often?
Not a Ronald Jones fan but I prefer Kirk to Williams so I’d take Team B’s side easilyFFPC, both rosters stacked up.
Team A Gave Christian Kirk, Ronald Jones
Team B Gave Mike Williams, Ian Thomas
Kirk/Jones pretty easy for meFFPC, both rosters stacked up.
Team A Gave Christian Kirk, Ronald Jones
Team B Gave Mike Williams, Ian Thomas
In this format it was like Gordon would be the stand alone and the Hill side would be adding pieces.Non-ppr league with decent sized bonuses for yardage milestones (5 pts for 100 yards and 5 pts for every 50 after that) and long TDs. In general, high volume RBs are very valuable as they consistently score better than other positions
Team A receives: Melvin Gordon/Jordy Nelson/Cameron Meredith
Team B receives: Tyreek Hill
Hard to say without knowing the bonuses for long TDs. Tyreek blows everyone else in the league away in that category while Gordon has one 50+ yard TD in his entire career.In this format it was like Gordon would be the stand alone and the Hill side would be adding pieces.
Without going into full scoring specifics, Hill was WR3 in this league last year at ~15 PPG. Melvin was RB5 also at ~15 PPG.Hard to say without knowing the bonuses for long TDs. Tyreek blows everyone else in the league away in that category while Gordon has one 50+ yard TD in his entire career.
Gordon.dwyadog said:Dynasty
LeSean McCoy Allen Robinson and 2019 2nd (likely late)
for melvin Gordon
12 team ppr.
Cooks by a good bit for me.BigTex said:Dynasty,
Gave B. Cooks
Got 2019 1st and 2nd
Tex
Not a Cooks fan so I would not pay a first and second for him. Having said that, I don't think that's a good exit price for him if that makes any sense. Probably doesn't. Said another way: not sure there is a strong market for him.Cooks by a good bit for me.
Any WR from next years class would be lucky to put up the numbers Cooks has in his first four seasons.Cooks is one of those guys like Cooper and Jordan Howard- you like them or you don't. Hard to find a good market for him, and no one is ready to over-pay or even pay going rate for any of those it seems.
As a fellow Cooks seller myself, I feel like this is similar to what I got, and I felt like I got a great deal. Considering next year's WR crop I am liking the pick side to that trade
Going for 1st worst?2nd worst team in the league trades his 2019 1st
To the league runner-up for Trey Burton and a 2nd.
SMH my head.... ?
Many believe LAR won’t present the passing opps as NO and NEWhy would you seek an exit price on a not yet 25 year old WR that put up over 1,000 yards in each of the last three years while scoring 7,8 and 9 TDs?
They traded a first round pick and signed him to a mega contract. That doesn’t sound like the actions of a team that didn’t plan to use him and the Rams had the league’s top offense last season.Many believe LAR won’t present the passing opps as NO and NE
Top offense for sure, but if looking at raw passing attempts:They traded a first round pick and signed him to a mega contract. That doesn’t sound like the actions of a team that didn’t plan to use him and the Rams had the league’s top offense last season.
That was Goff’s second year starting. That could/should increase and I can’t imagine him not being at least the second most targeted player. Pats and Saints spread the ball around a lot (although Cooks did get plenty of targets).Top offense for sure, but if looking at raw passing attempts:
2017 Rams 518
2017 Pats 587
2016 Saints 674
next years class is quite exceptional where a late pick could be very high talent. I'm not saying cooks is garbage but I see a lot of potential studs in next years class.Any WR from next years class would be lucky to put up the numbers Cooks has in his first four seasons.
I stand behind my statement. It doesnt matter how exceptional the class looks right now - frankly its too far away to even make any definitve statements, but even if Cooks is only a great wr2, the odds are stacked against landing a great wr2 with any random first.next years class is quite exceptional where a late pick could be very high talent. I'm not saying cooks is garbage but I see a lot of potential studs in next years class.
I'm someone who doesnt really think cooks is better than what he is, but that doesnt make him a bad wr, just a great wr2
true. not a bad point. chances are the pick bustsI stand behind my statement. It doesnt matter how exceptional the class looks right now - frankly its too far away to even make any definitve statements, but even if Cooks is only a great wr2, the odds are stacked against landing a great wr2 with any random first.
I’ll take my chances with Brown. Lots of positive buzz around him and he looks like he may have the injuries under control. It’s pretty hard to find a guy like him at 3.08.Non-ppr, start 1-2-3-1
John Brown
for
3.08
Cooks by a good bit for me.
Tangentially related to your takes on Cooks, I'm curious what you guys are expecting from the Rams offense this year. I genuinely don't have a comfortable take on the Rams offense as a whole, but find it an intriguing topic.They traded a first round pick and signed him to a mega contract. That doesn’t sound like the actions of a team that didn’t plan to use him and the Rams had the league’s top offense last season.
The value is on the Williams/Sutton side. I like Freeman though and I can see some one overpaying a bit if they were desperate at RB, and Shaheen has value in that format at least. In a vacuum I take the Sutton/Williams side which could look great after this season.FFPC -
Team A traded his first earlier in the off-season, and is weak at RB with a lot of RB4's (Foreman, Connor, Gio, AJones).
- Team A Gave: Mike Williams, Courtland Sutton, 2019 1st (1.11/1.12)
- Team B Gave: Devonta Freeman, Adam Shaheen, 2019 5th, 2019 5th
Team B won the title, and in this deal is buying back his 1st round pick, with Bell, Gordon, Drake, Chubb at RB.
That needs to be vetoed.Standard Scoring .. No PPR
Team C Gave: Dez
Team D Gave: 2019 1st and 2nd Round
I'm the last guy to yell veto, but that 2nd deal needs to be reversed.Standard Scoring .. No PPR
Team A Gave: AThielen and CHogan
Team B Gave: DBaldwin, JCrowder, 2019 1st Round
Team C Gave: Dez
Team D Gave: 2019 1st and 2nd Round