Capella
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I could break it down for hours for you.
Of course some kids talk. That’s how schools get caught. Usually they don’t though. Why would any kid who was enriched speak out against they system? That doesn’t make any sense at all.
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Of course some kids talk. That’s how schools get caught. Usually they don’t though. Why would any kid who was enriched speak out against they system? That doesn’t make any sense at all.
Vanilla Guerrilla
Footballguy
I like to see them do well, but I'd never donate for sports facilities, only academic. And I think our local media are pretty good at finding anything and everything shady that my school has done/does. There have been plenty of coaches that have learned the hard way that our media is looking to get scoops, not get friendly with the program.
Maybe that is a difference in mindset. Another grad from the same school, I would guess sees it similar to how I see it because I don't know anyone that I went to college with that has a mindset like this post, and it probably hurts recruiting.
Max Power
Footballguy
Maurice Clarett did after he washed out.
The big recruits get "hookups" in one form or another. Was't reggie bush living off campus with a new car?
Capella
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Capella
Footballguy
I’m sure.
All 4-5 star recruits get hooked up in some way. Some obviously more than others. Elite 5-star kids are pulling down over 100k.
Vanilla Guerrilla
Footballguy
How would they know kids were getting homework done for them. How do they know about sexual improprieties by football players.
I don't know, maybe they look into stuff like journalists used to do?
beer 30
Footballguy
This, first and foremost.I live in SC, grew up in OH. Without a doubt, Friday Night Lights in OH is >>>>>>> than it is here. No question. I get guys wanting to come here to play from HS but there was always more talent at the HS level than what I've seen around here at the local level.
The last 4 I'd agree with, the first two, not so much. Kids do stay close to home, Jadeveon Clowney played right down the road from here and specifically chose USC because it was only an hour & half away.
Max Power
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
Because women are willing to talk about the sexual improprieties and abuse done to them? That seems fairly obvious.
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Who is talking about an enriched kid ratting, how about his old girlfriend he cheated on? Do you really think that could go on for years without somebody blowing it. come on man.
People talk.
General Malaise
Footballguy
There is some truth about the bevy of beautiful babes in the deep south that other areas of the country cannot match. That's intoxicating stuff for young gladiators.
Sun + money = hot young ladies.
Sun + money = hot young ladies.
Capella
Footballguy
I’m sure they do know. Are they reporting it to the ncaa? Do you think the ncaa is even listening?
You have to be living in some kind of other world to think these kids aren’t getting paid. Just read the article I linked.
Vanilla Guerrilla
Footballguy
Only speaking of what I've seen from Minnesota. We've fired coaches. And it has probably affected recruitment.
Keep replying, eventually I'll figure out what your point is.
Shula-holic
Footballguy
All true, missing one other component, the NFL. The kids today all think they can play at the next level even though just a small percentage ever will. They see the success the SEC has in when it comes to where players are taken in the NFL Draft. In their eyes it's the best shot.
Capella
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Who wrote the article?
And you have to be living in another world if you think anytime $$$$$$$ and kids are a combo it will not work.
How many QB's have we seen transfer because it wasn't like they were told? No pissed off parents? The kid is cool with being lied to?
Piss off just one kid and have him.......Saban promised me....
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Shula-holic
Footballguy
They're all getting paid. If anyone with half an open mind spent 15 minutes around these environments there would never be any doubt. Why would 20 year old stud athletes come to the RV of a 65 year old man after a big game on campus? Yet it happens every week in one case I know, um sorry, "have heard of" and I'm sure is similar most everywhere else. Drop cash in the bathroom wastebasket and walk out. Later on, someone goes in and the cash is gone. Where is the paper trail and who has anything to gain by saying anything? And that's just weekly chump change, that doesn't address the cars etc.
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Capella
Footballguy
His name is in the byline. Steven Godfrey. Well-respected journalist.
Not trying to be a #### but I don’t know what to tell you if you think these kids aren’t getting paid. It’s like believing in Santa.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
They have the biggest stadiums, the most money, alumni willing to spend the most money, and access to the best talent. They also have the best facilities (because they have the most money and are willing to spend that money). They have better coaches because they have better facilities, access to better players, and pay more money.
Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and Notre Dame can get kids because of the above too. They have a crap ton of money, big stadiums, lots of alumni and are willing to spend that money.
Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and Notre Dame can get kids because of the above too. They have a crap ton of money, big stadiums, lots of alumni and are willing to spend that money.
Capella
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timschochet
Footballguy
Lol seriously?
Thats really dumb. And it never crossed my mind to tell you the truth.
In fact, if my memory is correct, Alabama, Mississippi, LSU and Tennessee were all football national champions in the 50s and 60s with teams without a single black player.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Regarding journalists uncovering the pay to play, as was the case in SMU...journalism has changed considerably since 1985 when Dale Hansen provided a smoking gun to SMU coach/AD on camera. Journalism has been weakened greatly in this country with newspapers dying out and journalistic standards being diluted because blogs and entertainment based websites posing as journalists don't play by the standards of 20+ years ago. Eyeballs and mouse clicks are all that matter and the great investigative minds are swayed by that because they have to make a living too. Who is paying the salary of the sleuths who will take down college sports because schools are paying players? And let's not forget we have a president who dinegrates journalists and newspapers daily. That doesn't help.
Also also...look what happened to the Dallas Herald after it ran stories on the SMU scandal. SMU boosters pulled ad revenue in droves and put the paper out of business by 1991. So...armed with that, what paper (among those few still in business) are going to risk their business by taking down the local football team?
Also also...look what happened to the Dallas Herald after it ran stories on the SMU scandal. SMU boosters pulled ad revenue in droves and put the paper out of business by 1991. So...armed with that, what paper (among those few still in business) are going to risk their business by taking down the local football team?
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timschochet
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And speaking of Tennessee, what happened to them? Obviously I don’t follow them closely but 20 years ago they were always in the conversation for best team. Can’t they recruit anymore on the level of the other Deep South teams?
General Malaise
Footballguy
They had Alvin Kamara and still sucked. Coaching matters. Dooly and Butch Jones were awful hires. So was Lane Kiffin. They should have kept Fat Fulmer.
Shula-holic
Footballguy
Tennessee HS football talent isn't on the same level as AL, GA, MS, LA, etc. With the right coach they could improve, but they are hurt as bad as anyone by Alabama being this strong with Saban. Tennessee used to pull a lot of the kids from north Alabama, and even north Mississippi. That doesn't happen so much these days.
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ffldrew
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Alabama and Auburn ratted each other out in the 90's - and both schools realized how bad the situation could become. Although Auburn fared better than Alabama in the short term during that stretch - the house cleaning did set the stage for Nick Saban. Right now it's like USA-Russia Cold War days and mutually assured destruction - they both have weapons pointed at each other and won't blow the whistle.
Saban has flown close to the sun a few times - but seems to get away - Look up Albert Means and Logan Young. Or Rueben Foster - which may still get him and Auburn.
During the detente they have finally worked out the bagman system and it has been working. Where it hasn't is at Ole Miss recently - not sure who called in the dogs on that one but it was pretty obvious that it's doubtful that it took too much snooping around.
Tom Servo
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NREC34
Footballguy
Last I heard they are the top choice of this 5 star guy here where I am. Supposed to be the best lineman. I am sure they pay well too.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Not to mention the reverse of this, which is access journalism. Nobody wants to be the one in a competitive journalism environment to get shut out because they cheesed off the coach. The "reporter" essentially becomes a stenographer for the program.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
They are competing against other teams that spend/recruit on their level or higher. That's where coaching matters. Have they had a decent coach there since Fulmer?
culdeus
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Shutout
Footballguy
I am going to answer this question and I am serious about my answers (skip down to the bullets if you don't want the side story):
At the end of September I took a trip to Dallas and went to watch a random, nothing special about it, Saturday late afternoon football game with 6-7th graders. That place had more people and equipment and energy than some small college games I have been to...for 12 year year olds. It is not an underestimation by any means when people generally say it is an institution in these areas. Its' like a multiple state version of Kentucky Wildcat or Duke basketball. Anyway, here's the reasons:
At the end of September I took a trip to Dallas and went to watch a random, nothing special about it, Saturday late afternoon football game with 6-7th graders. That place had more people and equipment and energy than some small college games I have been to...for 12 year year olds. It is not an underestimation by any means when people generally say it is an institution in these areas. Its' like a multiple state version of Kentucky Wildcat or Duke basketball. Anyway, here's the reasons:
- Nick Saban coaches in the south. Simple and cheeky answer but it is real and a huge reason. The coaching ability and draw he brought to the SEC and then Alabama in particular set a huge stage where everyone immediately realized that they needed the best of the best coaches...and it wasn't good enough..so they needed the best of the best players...and facilities...and program boosters, etc, etc. It became a magnet and is heavily influenced in a time where social media exploded.
- Social media. We all know the world we live in today and the impacts of social media and social media has become the catalyst for the snowball effect we now see. The great schools are front and centered and get the pub and the things that attract the best players that want to live the social media version of how they think life is (and is for some of them). So, the winning schools get the best players which, combined with the best coaches and amazing facilities, creates more wins, which brings in more great players...its a perpetual motion machine of success in the south.
- Weather and venues. You have a little bit of everything in the south. Great weather for the season, beaches, country (for those who like that "big but not too big feel or like to get away), lakes, rivers. Did you know that the Carolinas, Georgia, etc have world class water rafting venues and a high concentration of lakes that are super accessible?
- The "new hip" cities are in the south. New York and Chicago will always be New York and Chicago but when you look at the cities that are exploding with the young adult population who are searching for the Oh-So-Trendy food, bars, town atmospheres, retro/rustic/industrial scenes, distilleries, etc, etc, there are cities like Nashville, Arlington, Marietta, and so on peppered all over the South and they are ideally suited with the weather for outdoor venues most of the year that tie directly to the food, night life, out door activities.
- The women. Say what you want, but pound for pound, you just see some amazingly beautiful (and nice) women in the South. It is probably no stretch of the truth to say that the southern Belle accent equipped by many of these women should require a "license to carry". It is downright dangerous.
E-Z Glider
Footballguy
If Alabama is such a dream destination, why do they need to bribe out-of-state students to come there? Shouldn’t they be lining up for the beautiful weather and gorgeous women?
From the college admissions thread...
Alabama out of state tuition: $30,030
Presidential Scholarship (32-36 ACT and >3.5 GPA Cumulative): $26,000 for four years.
That leaves a net annual tuition cost of $4,030.
From the college admissions thread...
Alabama out of state tuition: $30,030
Presidential Scholarship (32-36 ACT and >3.5 GPA Cumulative): $26,000 for four years.
That leaves a net annual tuition cost of $4,030.
Capella
Footballguy
SHIZNITTTT
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Long Ball Larry
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AAABatteries
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
I’m not sure what you disagree with then - I said they play close to home which is the exact example you gave.
bigbottom
Footballguy
Per this link: https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/college-football-recruiting/2017/12/18/16780636/best-recruits-2018-state-rankings
over 40% of 2018 blue chip college recruits came from Florida, Texas and Georgia. California is ranked second with 13.2% of blue chippers, but it’s population is twice that of Florida, which individually generated 17.8% of blue chip recruits. These are the only four states with any dominance on this list. The fifth place team is Ohio with 3.3%.
mr. furley
Footballguy
bigbottom
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They’re trying to lure smart kids from Texas (and other states) who would otherwise go to UT or A&M (or comparable state university) and pay in state tuition. They can’t rely on Alabama high school students with good grades and test scores to fill out a class of that size, and they would have trouble attracting top out of state students if they charge out of state tuition.
matuski
Footballguy
Speaking for Texas. TYFA. Kids were on TV (Friday Night Tykes).
My kids ran a high school playbook from the age of 4. It may have been limited to running plays at that age, but nevertheless. Older kid for 5 years younger kid 4 years. 4 practices a week (even age 4), 2 hours a night. Kiss your weekends goodbye. Spring, Fall, camp in Summer. Basketball with football team if time allowed. 2 state championships, 2 runner ups.
Had to pull them both out. Not for any concerns about concussions, etc... but rather the insanity of it.
My kids ran a high school playbook from the age of 4. It may have been limited to running plays at that age, but nevertheless. Older kid for 5 years younger kid 4 years. 4 practices a week (even age 4), 2 hours a night. Kiss your weekends goodbye. Spring, Fall, camp in Summer. Basketball with football team if time allowed. 2 state championships, 2 runner ups.
Had to pull them both out. Not for any concerns about concussions, etc... but rather the insanity of it.
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matuski
Footballguy
For some families in TX, it isn't a stretch to call it life or death.
They put all their chips into their kids athletic ability. Mom and Dad the size of Pacquiao? Who cares.. their kid is gonna be the next Lawrence Taylor.
Honestly a sad thing to watch.
They put all their chips into their kids athletic ability. Mom and Dad the size of Pacquiao? Who cares.. their kid is gonna be the next Lawrence Taylor.
Honestly a sad thing to watch.
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