In the John Oliver video I posted above, he states the “experts guidance” for the U.S. is to conduct between 5M and 20M tests per day (that’s the combined number of diagnostic and antibody tests.) Anyone seen anything regarding that?
Not all care homes are nursing homes. In your opinion, how does this data change our approach to public health measures for COVID-19?This paper finds nursing home residents comprise 57% of all COVID-19 deaths in Spain, 53% in Italy, and 45% in France.
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I dont know what is "normal" but I know this also happened with h1n1. Maybe if there was an autopsy performed they keep them longer?Is it normal for hospitals to save blood samples for months after originally testing them?
On the surface this seems like a reasonable conclusion and I mostly agree, but other viruses like H1N1, hit neighboring countries in very different levels of severity.Why would death rates be worse in NYC than elsewhere?
Outside of treatment capabilities, which are fairly equal throughout the US, and previous health issues (which NYC is hardly the worst place in the US) there is no reason why someone in NYC would be more apt to die than someone in the middle of the US.
Death rates are likely over 1% which is twice 0.5%.
Seems like a good idea in the middle of a pandemic caused by a coronavirus closely aligned to bats, what could go wrong?JAA said:
Well that's kinda huge in the geopolitical world, isn't it? China is already going to suffer backlash from this event and if it's proven they lied about this (as a lot of folks suspect already), it's going to be devastating to them.Well there are only two options that I see. The antibody testing isn’t accurate, or our timelines are off by a few months.
This will sound harsh because of the nature of typing something in a forum, but I'm not trying to be a jerk here. That being said, I'm not going to wear one because I don't want to. I don't want to fight with a mask while trying to eat, I want to set at a bar and drink a beer without worrying about a mask. I don't want my glasses fogging up all the time, I want my friend who is hard of hearing to be able to read lips to pick up a conversation...Have you tied your identity into this? Why can’t you wear a mask when out?
Thanks - will check out this podcastUnrelated, but I’m two episodes into the Season 2 podcast of Gangster Capitalism, which centers on the NRA’s internal power struggle and financial scandals. It’s pretty fascinating.JAA said:
Interesting.This will sound harsh because of the nature of typing something in a forum, but I'm not trying to be a jerk here. That being said, I'm not going to wear one because I don't want to. I don't want to fight with a mask while trying to eat, I want to set at a bar and drink a beer without worrying about a mask. I don't want my glasses fogging up all the time, I want my friend who is hard of hearing to be able to read lips to pick up a conversation...
ETA:In order to slow the spread of the new coronavirus, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention now recommends that all Americans wear face coverings in public. If you wear glasses, you may have noticed that covering your face is causing your lenses to fog up. We've gotten to the bottom of why that happens and how you can wear your face mask or covering so that it won't happen.
Why do my glasses fog when I wear a face mask?
The science behind why our glasses fog when we wear a mask is fairly simple. As we wear our masks, warm breath escapes from the top of the mask and lands on the cooler lenses of our glasses. When that happens, it creates condensation, or fog. You might've noticed a similar effect when wearing glasses with a scarf or baclava in the winter, or when opening a hot oven door.
So how do I prevent my glasses from fogging when I wear a mask?
The good news is that this problem is not new, and doctors and surgeons have found several ways to prevent foggy glasses. We've consulted Dr. Jason Brinton, a leading St. Louis-based ophthalmologist and founder of Brinton Vision, on the best ways to keep your glasses clear.
1) Improve the fit of your mask. Many medical masks feature a bendable metal strip that allows the wearer to mold the mask to their nose and cheeks. But you don't need a surgical mask to achieve a good fit. If you're making a homemade mask, Dr. Brinton recommends sewing a pipe cleaner or twist tie into the top of your mask. That way, you'll be able to fit the mask to your face more effectively. You'll also want to adjust your mask's straps or ear loops. When the mask fits properly, most of your breath should go through it, not out the top or sides. (Here are step-by-step instructions for wearing a face mask properly.)
2) Tape your mask. Dr. Brinton says most doctors use tape to prevent foggy glasses while they work. To DIY it, tape your mask across the bridge of your nose and across your cheeks. You can use most any type of tape, be it adhesive, medical, or athletic, just make sure you avoid duct tape. Test the tape on a different part of your body to ensure it doesn't irritate your skin.
3) Pull your mask up. A simple way to decrease the amount of fog on your specs is to pull your mask higher on your face and use the weight of your glasses on top of the mask to block the flow of air. "Whether or not this works will depend on the shape and makeup of the glasses," says Dr. Brinton. He says this method is most effective with large, thick frames.
4) Use a commercial anti-fog wipe or spray. "These can be very effective," says Dr. Brinton. "They can also be very expensive." Right now, a box of Foggies Anti-Fog Towelettes on Amazon costs $48 for a pack of 48. Keep in mind that anti-fog solutions may not work as well on glasses with certain coatings, such as anti-glare, anti-fingerprint, or anti-smudge, and so it's important to read the fine print on each product.
The points in red are legitimate -- when and where indoor dining re-opens (back in a few places already), I don't think anyone's expecting patrons to somehow eat/drink through a face covering.This will sound harsh because of the nature of typing something in a forum, but I'm not trying to be a jerk here. That being said, I'm not going to wear one because I don't want to. I don't want to fight with a mask while trying to eat, I want to set at a bar and drink a beer without worrying about a mask. I don't want my glasses fogging up all the time, I want my friend who is hard of hearing to be able to read lips to pick up a conversation...
IMHO, it's not yet time to treat the French finding of December COVID infections as hard fact. As always, replicate and corroborate. Rule out testing errors, contamination of samples, and anything else.Well that's kinda huge in the geopolitical world, isn't it? China is already going to suffer backlash from this event and if it's proven they lied about this (as a lot of folks suspect already), it's going to be devastating to them.Well there are only two options that I see. The antibody testing isn’t accurate, or our timelines are off by a few months.
If a law is passed requiring it I will follow them just as I do any other law. For now I do not own one and will not wear one in any situation.The points in red are legitimate -- when and where indoor dining re-opens (back in a few places already), I don't think anyone's expecting patrons to somehow eat/drink through a face covering.
What about retail, though? Grocery shopping, clothes shopping, the auto parts store?
I don't know if it will ever come to pass ... but one thing you will have to consider is what to do if local laws are passed requiring face coverings at certain places. In the short term, you'll probably continue to be able to keep making the choice of shopping and visiting businesses that don't require face coverings. But laws could be passed and enforced that take that choice out of your hands.
Gotcha. makes total sense and NOW I see this difference between the two of us:This will sound harsh because of the nature of typing something in a forum, but I'm not trying to be a jerk here. That being said, I'm not going to wear one because I don't want to. I don't want to fight with a mask while trying to eat, I want to set at a bar and drink a beer without worrying about a mask. I don't want my glasses fogging up all the time, I want my friend who is hard of hearing to be able to read lips to pick up a conversation...
Glad we cleared that up.Gotcha. makes total sense and NOW I see this difference between the two of us:
I LIKE to eat with a mask on, ENJOY worrying about my mask while sitting at a bar, LOVE when my glasses fog up, and don't give a flying F whether my hard of hearing friends can fully understand me.
Looks like we'll BOTH be able to do EXACTLY what we want WHEN want to. Glad that's finally cleared up.
Ugh. This is heartbreaking. Thank you for sharing.A couple of weeks ago, my wife had to transport someone from her home in the retirement community to the nursing home. She had COVID, and my wife was the only one at the time who was fitted with Protective Gear. She said the woman was upset and didn't want to go. "I want to go home" she kept saying. After spending the day with her at her home, my wife wheeled her over, but the nursing home wasn't ready for her. She had to sit with the woman for a couple hours as they prepared a room, bed, etc. It was was incredibly disorganized. Because family is not allowed in the compound, she didn't have anyone else to sit with her. My wife stayed with her until the end of her shift.
I just got a text from my wife: "The woman I took care of all day 2 weeks ago just died. I wish she could have stayed at home. She cried when I left her at the nursing home."
I just don't know, man. I just don't know.
Aside from arthouse cinemas, theaters are generally awful places to see a movie. If mostly empty and no idiots? Great. But that seems to be rarer and rarer.Good. I'd rather be comfy in my own place. People who are now struggling with money are not going to the theatre any time soon after opening. That'll probably become like where brick and mortar book stores are now, rare.
I believe the number he said is between 500k and 20M. It’s a reference to what various experts have said in interviews or written in papers. I believe the 20M comes from a Harvard expert.cross post from the PSF
In the John Oliver video I posted above, he states the “experts guidance” for the U.S. is to conduct between 5M and 20M tests per day (that’s the combined number of diagnostic and antibody tests.) Anyone seen anything regarding that?
Anyway, currently the U.S. is doing 200K tests per day.
That’s correct, it was a Harvard study that recommended 20M tests per day. I whiffed on both the lowest study estimate (500K) and the highest (35M.) The good news is we only need to ramp up another 250% to hit the bare minimum.I believe the number he said is between 500k and 20M. It’s a reference to what various experts have said in interviews or written in papers. I believe the 20M comes from a Harvard expert.
damn man that's horrible to hear. I know this means next to nothing but my thoughts and best wishes go out to your wife (and to you for having to be her de facto therapist/counselor on this stuff).A couple of weeks ago, my wife had to transport someone from her home in the retirement community to the nursing home. She had COVID, and my wife was the only one at the time who was fitted with Protective Gear. She said the woman was upset and didn't want to go. "I want to go home" she kept saying. After spending the day with her at her home, my wife wheeled her over, but the nursing home wasn't ready for her. She had to sit with the woman for a couple hours as they prepared a room, bed, etc. It was was incredibly disorganized. Because family is not allowed in the compound, she didn't have anyone else to sit with her. My wife stayed with her until the end of her shift.
I just got a text from my wife: "The woman I took care of all day 2 weeks ago just died. I wish she could have stayed at home. She cried when I left her at the nursing home."
I just don't know, man. I just don't know.
Given your comorbidities I'd think that would be incentive enough to get your ### in gear but different strokes. Good luck, I'd think just getting out and walking would do you wonders. As well as putting down the cigarettes for good but I know that's a little more difficult to do.I've been the laziest POS over the last month. I give myself the benefit of the doubt for the first 3 weeks, but it's been very nice the last week. I have done jack ####. Gotta rake leaves and sticks, mow the yard, oil changes for the 2 cars, and generally just get my ### in gear. Perhaps writing it down will give me the push I need...
That’s horrible. Essentially they are admitting we are nowhere near our peak and/or early reopenings will cause a second wave.White House projecting 3,000deaths:day by early june
I find it interesting that you've seen the mask-wearing rolled-back a lot where you are - it is ramping up here. Anecdotally, every place I've gone these past 2 weeks or so have required a mask or some sort of face covering. Hardware store, auto parts store, beer store, restaurants for takeout, etc. I've started to see some people even wearing masks while just going for a walk, but that's hit or miss. In a commercial, retail setting, I don't think I've seen a single person without a mask /face covering in at least 2 weeks.Doug B said:Not saying this is not a reason to go hard on mandatory masks ... but for some time after that order goes out locally, many cops will literally be spending all shift, every shift for months enforcing mask usage in private businesses. Mask-wearing here has rolled back a lot since Easter weekend.
And we are ####edI'm in Oklahoma, most opened up Friday. Most are not allowing normal capacity and are officially asking customers to social distance but not really enforcing it from what I can tell.
What are you getting at here?It's been 2 weeks since some of these "liberate!" rallies. Have any states shown a reversal in a downward trend?
What are you getting at here?
This is strange, because it also predicts 200k new cases daily, up from ~30k daily right now.White House projecting 3,000deaths:day by early june
Michigan is continuing to trend downward. Minnesota and Virginia are trending up at an alarming rate, almost like they don't even have a lockdown.It's been 2 weeks since some of these "liberate!" rallies. Have any states shown a reversal in a downward trend?
scooter has actual #s, so I will delete
I'm asking if any states that had unsafe rallies have shown an increase in cases, since they started 2 weeks ago.
No other motive.
Think it's very regional at this point. I live in Small Town, USA that hasn't seen much of an impact from the virus. Understandably, it's very hit or miss with masks here. If I was in downtown Charlotte, it might be different. If I was in NYC I'd burn my clothes if I ever went outside again.I find it interesting that you've seen the mask-wearing rolled-back a lot where you are - it is ramping up here. Anecdotally, every place I've gone these past 2 weeks or so have required a mask or some sort of face covering. Hardware store, auto parts store, beer store, restaurants for takeout, etc. I've started to see some people even wearing masks while just going for a walk, but that's hit or miss. In a commercial, retail setting, I don't think I've seen a single person without a mask /face covering in at least 2 weeks.
Most of these rallies are fairly low attendance, where the media always frames it like it is some big event when there are just 40-100 people there, so they might just be statistical noise. I think the thing to keep an eye on are states lifting public gathering restrictions, which should theoretically involve more people.
I'm asking if any states that had unsafe rallies have shown an increase in cases, since they started 2 weeks ago.
No other motive.
Seems like the populated areas of the Northeast -- anything within the socio-economic orbits of Boston, NYC, Philadelphia, etc. -- are taking COVID very differently than many (most?) other parts of the country.I find it interesting that you've seen the mask-wearing rolled-back a lot where you are - it is ramping up here. Anecdotally, every place I've gone these past 2 weeks or so have required a mask or some sort of face covering. Hardware store, auto parts store, beer store, restaurants for takeout, etc. I've started to see some people even wearing masks while just going for a walk, but that's hit or miss. In a commercial, retail setting, I don't think I've seen a single person without a mask /face covering in at least 2 weeks.
That’s horrible. Essentially they are admitting we are nowhere near our peak and/or early reopenings will cause a second wave.
Just a simple increase of cases? That's it?
I'm asking if any states that had unsafe rallies have shown an increase in cases, since they started 2 weeks ago.
No other motive.
I specified a reversal in a downward trend in my initial question.Just a simple increase of cases? That's it?
The answer, then, is "all of them". No states have had a decrease in cases at all.
Can you guys both link to what you're talking about?This is strange, because it also predicts 200k new cases daily, up from ~30k daily right now.White House projecting 3,000deaths:day by early june
Why would cases rise so dramatically but deaths only rise 50% - 100%? I don't understand that.
That article is not well written. The failed premise is to treat the US as one entity, or region. Everyone knows at this point that regions and states will be on their own curves, depending on when the virus appeared to grow exponentially, and the success/adherence of mitigation strategies (social distancing, no gatherings, really staying at home not faking it).This is strange, because it also predicts 200k new cases daily, up from ~30k daily right now.
Why would cases rise so dramatically but deaths only rise 50% - 100%? I don't understand that.