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so much for "he's running on the side of the field" puff pieces . . .-------------------
Yeah, definitely a high risk/high reward player, especially for redraft. For dynasty I like his long-term prospects better ... and he's been dropping far in initial dynasty drafts ... represents great value IF he returns healthy sometime this year.
no reason why management/coaches would rush him back, exactly why they traded for T.Bell and got Duckett. Yes, Martz loves KJ is what he heard all of last year, but noone really knows if he'll ever be back to full strength, and even if he does, i don't think he can be better than how he did last year before the injury.high-risk, low-reward IMO.
In a 10-team initial dynasty draft, I got Kevin Jones in the 6th, as the 26th RB off the board, after guys like Brandon Jacobs, Deuce McAllister, and Thomas Jones. After that, I just grabbed Bell in the 10th as some insurance (31st RB off the board). The best part of this strategy is that Tatum is a free agent after this season, so if Kevin Jones proves he's healthy, it's possible Bell goes elsewhere and starts next year, giving you two young starting RBs. And if KJ isn't healthy, then you still have Bell in Detroit.
There's no reason to think that he cant come back at full strength and just as good as he was before. If he heals and rehabs correctly there should be nothing keeping him from doing so. Also keep in mind this is just one bit of information as there have been quite a few reports of him running and exercising on it. Also as far as "High Risk/ Low Reward", thats just silly. Where is this "high risk", even in a dynasty you could give an owner an apple and a peanut butter and jelly sandwhich and they'll hand him right over. His perceived value is next to nothing, so the more accurate description would be low risk, possible high reward
If he didnt get hurt, i'd say he was for sure going to get better just as any 3rd year RBs would, and 2nd year in Martz system. All I've heard from this injury are doom and gloom remarks like some guys dont come back at all from this injury. Feet for a RB is HUGE to say the least. Best case is he comes back and be an average back at best, i dont think you can expect what most guys including me was expecting for this guy, a top-10 back if not for the injury. This injury will and have set his development back and i doubt he'll ever be the same.Just my opinion. I plan to pass on this guy as I really dont see the high-risk/high-reward value. Hey, I could be wrong.
Duane I know we are both in agreeance on this.
(Tatum Bell owner)Uh yes you are correct.
lol ... maybe some KJ owners ... I've got him in a dynasty and it would take a little more than that ... I recognize the possibility that he may never return from injury (or be a shell of the best RB he's demonstrated to date), but I'll wait out this season before considering trading him for less than fair market value for a good young RB ... I haven't received anything other than a couple low-ball offers so far, as expected, but I'm content to wait it out (fortunately have 3 other solid RBs in that league) ... if he returns healthy, I'll be surprised if he doesn't quickly regain featured back status ... which would equate to RB5-15 in DET (if he can stay healthy) ... so I guess I'm betting that he returns AND performs well AND stays healthy ... high risk/high reward IMO ...
Are you sure about this? Isn't this the injury that no RB has come back from and been the same? Didn't it essentially end Duce Staley's career
Brian Westbrook seems to be doing OK.
I have both in the same league. So I guess I will have the starting RB for Detroit
So does Warrick Dunn.
Warrick Dunn also came back from a lisfranc injury just fine. Sorry, old news, I was already beaten to the punch on Dunn.
Thanks for the linkage. Good info here.
People will hear what they want to hear.
This is a solid articulation of the dowside Kevin Jones, but it is hardly a fair estimate of his upside or his past performance. It ascribes his rookie year (far more than "decent," by the way) to random chance, blames him fully for 2005, and only marginally values his solid top 10 performance last year. I'm more impressed by the fact that he had a lower YPC on a struggling offense and still found a way to score huge points. I see the Lions offense getting better each year, and along with that, individual statistics.A healthy Kevin Jones is a top 10 RB, IMO.
The regular season PUP - yes.The pre-season PUP (which the coach is talking about "we can take him off 3 days later"), he can be taken off at any time. It just saves the Lions a pre-season roster spot for required roster cut-down days.The title to this thread is misleading as well.The article says training camp, the title of the post says season.A full 6 weeks from July 26th isn't even week one of the NFL season (Sep 9th)
You also have to consider the offense in 2005. Mariucci's play calling was so bad I could sit in my chair and know the plays. Not only that, the QB's were Harrington and an injured Garcia. The WR's were terrible, the line was and still in terrible, and the players had no confidence that it would improve. The 2006 offense was a lot better than 2005, but still could not consistently run the ball. The guards were terrible and by the last game we started two 3rd string guards and a 3rd string right tackle, 2 of the 3 were not with the team until late in the season and weren't here in training camp. Jones ran hard last year. But you can't run with no holes. You can't just look at plain numbers/stats and not consider the circumstances. Also, nothing is better than seeing them play a lot. The line was clearly the main reason the yards per carry was only around 4. There were so many changes that they never had any continuity or chemistry, and those 2 things are very important to not only the offensive line, but the rest of the offense as well.
What I liked in the Martz interview you linked to, his final comments were about the offensive line. That Martz, who many believe (and with good reason) is an offensive genius, believes the most important aspect of a football team and the game of football is the offensive line. He says it effects how the team runs the ball how they protect the QB how long the defense has to be on the field.. everything starts with the offensive line. I know the Lambs have had some good lines when Martz was there starting with all world Orlando Pace as well as other good players. I have criticized him before for leaving his QBs too much in harms way not leaving in a RB to block and with the multiple WR sets (they have always used the TE as an extra blocker). What I didn't realize is how important the Oline is to Martz before hearing these comments and I think it is somthing to be mindful of if you respect Martz's knowledge of football especialy offensive football that he places this much emphais on the success or failure of a team on the abilities of the offensive line.You also have to consider the offense in 2005. Mariucci's play calling was so bad I could sit in my chair and know the plays. Not only that, the QB's were Harrington and an injured Garcia. The WR's were terrible, the line was and still in terrible, and the players had no confidence that it would improve. The 2006 offense was a lot better than 2005, but still could not consistently run the ball. The guards were terrible and by the last game we started two 3rd string guards and a 3rd string right tackle, 2 of the 3 were not with the team until late in the season and weren't here in training camp. Jones ran hard last year. But you can't run with no holes. You can't just look at plain numbers/stats and not consider the circumstances. Also, nothing is better than seeing them play a lot. The line was clearly the main reason the yards per carry was only around 4. There were so many changes that they never had any continuity or chemistry, and those 2 things are very important to not only the offensive line, but the rest of the offense as well.
Were Dunn/Westbrook's injuries close to Jones' in severity? I'd heard Jones was much worse. Don't remember Westbrook going through this kind of rehab - in fact, I didn't even think it was the same kind of injury, or was just a sprain. Dunn I can't remember.
I, for one, am happy to see nygiants56 have the above opinion since I disagree with his opinions in general -- given the above, look for Kevin Jones to have a phenomenal year.
I can understand the questions about his durability. But I personally think questioning his talent is ridiculous.
Westbrook and Dunn both came back from the same injury, and lack of talent stifled staley's career
They used to say that about Isaac Bruce, Fred Taylor and a litany of other top performers. People on this board are too quick to permanently write players off due to injuries.
They also used to say it about Kijana Carter and Tim Biakabutuka.
Westbrook's injury was MUCH LESS SEVERE than KJs. Westbrook had a Lis Franc sprain, KJ had a full blown fracture/dislocation. This doesn't work as a comparison IMO. Dunn is a better comparison because I believe he had very similar surgery. Having said that, the original poster's quote of "There's no reason to think he can't come back at full strength" doesn't make much sense to me. Of course there's a possibility he doesn't come back at full strength -- after any major injury like this, and this is a major injury, there is a possibility the player loses something. This doesn't mean KJ won't come back, but to say there is absolutely no concern about him being just as good as before the injury seems strange.
Great information. However, I couldn't figure out which was the correct video. I listened to the Marinelli interview in four parts and didn't hear KJ mentioned. Is the video not on that site anymore? Which one is it?
I just looked and it isn't there anymore. I think they were lucky to even have it there as long as they did. This is from mlive.com: Sunday update: The videos are now gone from the site. At the top now are a T.J. Duckett and Greg Jennings interview from a celebrity softball game.Great information. However, I couldn't figure out which was the correct video. I listened to the Marinelli interview in four parts and didn't hear KJ mentioned. Is the video not on that site anymore? Which one is it?
Sometimes sprains can be MORE severe then fractures. I think the reality is no one has a clue how Jones will do...
A lot has happened in the last 10 years with respect to the career implications of injuries.
Sometimes sprains can be more severe, but in Westbrook's case it wasn't true. KJ's is worse and requires a much longer rehabilitation than Westy's did. You're dead on about no one has a clue about how Jones will do, which was my whole point. The original post's comment made it seem like it was impossible he wouldn't come back to 100%.
Personally, i'd stay away. Chances of him BETTER than where he was before the injury is low or even getting to where he was before he got hurt. Upside top-20/25, downside - career over.
He was top-10 before he got hurt, though. Last season if you toss out week 11 (where he got hurt after 11 carries), he was on pace for 1750 total yards and 12 TDs (as well as a whopping 89 receptions). When he finally won the starting job his rookie season, he was on pace for 1690 yards and 9 TDs. His upside isn't top 20/25, it's top 10. Top 10 upside as the 25th-30th RB off the board? Sounds good to me.
Which is below 700 yards rushing, 5 fumbles, and a 3.8 ypc average.
How bout due to performance? According to FBG's rankings, he's never finished in the Top 20 of RB's since he's been in the league. Now I know rankings are subject to each leagues scoring system, but that has to count for a little. He certainly hasnt been Fred Taylor-like in performance. Fred has 3 Top 10 finishes and 1 at 11. Not ready to write him off, but to-date he hasnt done much to brag about.
Pro-rate. Pro-rate his numbers and he has two top-10 finishes in 3 years. When he's been healthy and on the field, he has produced very well.
on, but I'm wondering if whoever posted that on Rotoworld didn't overreact.
