piratemike
HARRRRRLite™
Isn't anyone worried that the only places he's winning are states that will never elect a Democrat?
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Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
Ari Fleischer: "Hillary Clinton is the great equalizer... give me Hillary Clinton and the Republicans keep the White House."
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
doesn't matter...Obama and Edwards did what the national party wanted them to, yet Hillary can not only crow about those "victories" but then actually count the delegates? Bull####I'll never vote for a Democrat as long as I live if that crap ends up deciding the nomination.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
It actually could be more about the BS "super delegate" vote. Ridiculous.
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
No, because in the general those Hillary supporters will come right over to Obamaland. Not so sure about the Obama supporters automatically moving to Hillarville...I know I won't.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
why these people voting for Hillary don't get that is beyond me...Obama vs. McCain is a landslide.
NCCommish
Footballguy
And I am pretty sure it is that attitude that will keep them from counting. You aren't the only one saying that.
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Oh yeah, I'll burn #### down in that case as well.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
If McCain wasn't so f'ing war mongering I would consider him over Hillary as well.
Death Bytes
Footballguy
Any democrat is going to have to steal a couple of those red states back to win. Which would mean if Hillary gets the nomination, there should be significant concern that Obama won the states that she needs to steal from the republicans. As bad as the republicans have been, I don't see any blue states going over to the republicans, so who really cares which democrat they prefer?
NCCommish
Footballguy
Are you sure you just don't want to burn something down regardless?Oh yeah, I'll burn #### down in that case as well.
LHUCKS
Footballguy
I'll bring the gasoline.Oh yeah, I'll burn #### down in that case as well.
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Are you sure you just don't want to burn something down regardless?Oh yeah, I'll burn #### down in that case as well.
Am I coming across as an angry firebug just looking for an excuse?
NCCommish
Footballguy
Could be.Are you sure you just don't want to burn something down regardless?Oh yeah, I'll burn #### down in that case as well.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
This is going on every one of my posts until this thing is decided. I hope the Clinton supporters on this board and around the country think about what they are fighting for.
Scruff Mcgruff
Footballguy
Hillary and McCain's foreign policies probably wouldn't be drastically different.
Both would be terrible for the country.
Come on Obama, you son of a #####.
Both would be terrible for the country.
Come on Obama, you son of a #####.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
Enough talk, let's start burningCould be.Are you sure you just don't want to burn something down regardless?Oh yeah, I'll burn #### down in that case as well.
Death Bytes
Footballguy
They do think. They just don't think strategically. McCain will get nominated because he's strategically the best shot for the Republicans to win, and not because he matches the position of most conservatives (because he's not).
Clinton will get nominated (but I hope I'm wrong) because she matches the position of most liberals, and not because she's stratigically the best shot for the Democrats to win (because she's not).
Pai Mei
Footballguy
The word is that the more Obama speaks, the more voters like his message. In other words, he is still a bit unknown (after all, most voters do not pay attention until september) and has upside. On the other hand, he is very inexperienced and could say something very stupid in the heat of an election that sinks him. Hillary probably won't shoot herself in the foot.
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
For those of you with wives/GF's that are into Hillary because of the chick-thing, here's a pretty decent article on Huffingtonpost...pass it on. 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kimberle-cre...t-_b_85165.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kimberle-cre...t-_b_85165.html
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Latest delegate count from CNN
Clinton 497
Obama 489
Clinton 497
Obama 489
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
So was yesterday a good day for Obama?
That's the question.
That's the question.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Well it looks like its being spun as a Hillary win because of CA, NY, and MA. However, if you had told Obama he'd win 13 (maybe 14 states with NM pending), and more importantly probably more overall delegates b/c of blowouts in a number of those states, he would have taken it in a second. This may turn into a pyrrhic victory for her especially if he wins all contests over the next week.
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Eviloutsider
Footballguy
I'll admit, I had to google that word.
Homer, I excitedly clicked the link with a finger poised on the print button.Then I saw all those big words. No way a woman understands 10% of that.For those of you with wives/GF's that are into Hillary because of the chick-thing, here's a pretty decent article on Huffingtonpost...pass it on.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kimberle-cre...t-_b_85165.html
Got anything from Oprah?
LHUCKS
Footballguy
How Clinton, McCain may have won California
Posted: 06:26 AM ET
(CNN) – Sen. Hillary Clinton can thank Latino and Asian voters for her projected victory in California. Early exit polls indicate that Sen. Barack Obama carried white voters in California because of his overwhelming support among white men. White women, as in other states, more often supported Clinton. Black voters overwhelmingly favored Obama but Asian voters, whose numbers are comparable to blacks, went overwhelmingly for Clinton. The deciding factor may have been Latinos, who make up roughly 30 percent of California's Democratic vote. They went for Clinton by a two-to-one margin.
Posted: 06:26 AM ET
(CNN) – Sen. Hillary Clinton can thank Latino and Asian voters for her projected victory in California. Early exit polls indicate that Sen. Barack Obama carried white voters in California because of his overwhelming support among white men. White women, as in other states, more often supported Clinton. Black voters overwhelmingly favored Obama but Asian voters, whose numbers are comparable to blacks, went overwhelmingly for Clinton. The deciding factor may have been Latinos, who make up roughly 30 percent of California's Democratic vote. They went for Clinton by a two-to-one margin.
glock
"Don't grumble, give a whistle!"
Or an amped up fire fighter in a slow house...Are you sure you just don't want to burn something down regardless?Oh yeah, I'll burn #### down in that case as well.
SofaKings
Footballguy
Not that they would go strictly to Obama. The Obama people said that if you supported him you were to vote uncommitted. That will be the logic in their argument that the convention should seat them. Obama should have campaigned or left his name on the ballot(like Hillary did) in Michigan if he wanted those votes. Popular vote in Michigan went to Hillary.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Someone explain super delegates to me like I'm Woz and the subject is women.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Just listened to an explanation on CNN. The guys said, and I'm paraphrasing, "superdelegates are party big wigs and elected officials that vote for sections/blocks of their constituency to make the voting process more efficient." In other words, the superdelegates will go to Clinton.
NCCommish
Footballguy
NCCommish
Footballguy
Not neccesarily. Obama already has some and all of them can vote how they want at the convention.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
yeah...plus he should end up cleaning up red state super delegate. I have a feeling it'll be a big non-issue in the end. If Obama has the pledged delegate edge in the end and is polling better than Clinton against McCain, the party bigwigs will end up backing him.
saintfool
Dead sexy
great night for obama. the only thing that kept it being a total disaster for hillary was California. that state saved her campaign. she's got to target PA, OH and TX. I think Obama picks up VA, NC, MD, LA and WI. Up for grabs will be WA and OR.
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RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
I think Obama has a good chance in PA. He should get endorsed by the Mayor of Philadelphia (recently elected African American who was not the democratic party's choice in the primary either).
flufhed
Footballguy
As an Obama supporter, I will definitely take last night's results.
Mass and Cali were disappointing, for sure, but those would have been mild surprises for me if they had gone Obama's way. Even with all the superdelegates and crap, the difference will be less than 100 after last night, with Obama winning many states, including Missouri and Connecticut, which IMO are BIG wins.
It is anyone's race at this point, which is all I could have asked for as an Obama guy. It is going to be all out war.
Mass and Cali were disappointing, for sure, but those would have been mild surprises for me if they had gone Obama's way. Even with all the superdelegates and crap, the difference will be less than 100 after last night, with Obama winning many states, including Missouri and Connecticut, which IMO are BIG wins.
It is anyone's race at this point, which is all I could have asked for as an Obama guy. It is going to be all out war.
VerticalVike
Footballguy
ND is important as once again it shows that Obama has a play with a white consituency. I was listening to Paul Harvey this morning and he made the claim that Hillary won the traditional democratic vote while Obama won the black vote. That is very shortsighted viewpoint in my mind.
simey
Footballguy
I understood the article just fine, hook. Why wouldn't other women understand it?Homer, I excitedly clicked the link with a finger poised on the print button.Then I saw all those big words. No way a woman understands 10% of that.For those of you with wives/GF's that are into Hillary because of the chick-thing, here's a pretty decent article on Huffingtonpost...pass it on.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kimberle-cre...t-_b_85165.html
The_Man
Footballguy
Back in for another $50 on Obama.
When people see Obama, people like Obama. Now that Super Tuesday is past, he's going to be able to do a lot more retail campaigning in the upcoming states, and people are going to move his way.
He could run the table on Hillary over the next week -- it's going to be a blowout in the DC-MD-VA "Potomac Primary" next Tuesday.
When people see Obama, people like Obama. Now that Super Tuesday is past, he's going to be able to do a lot more retail campaigning in the upcoming states, and people are going to move his way.
He could run the table on Hillary over the next week -- it's going to be a blowout in the DC-MD-VA "Potomac Primary" next Tuesday.
snitwitch
Footballguy
True, but where it counts (# of delegates and surpassing expectations/winning the media "narrative"), you have to admit this was a win for Obama.
flufhed
Footballguy
I could get onboard a Clinton-Obama ticket, I suppose.But why even talk about that? It is at least even money at this point as to whether Obama will win the nomination. I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. I see the Clinton campaign subtly pushing the story that a Clinton-Obama ticket would be unstoppable, and suggesting that Obama wouldn't pick Clinton (true), but Clinton would pick Obama.
adonis
Footballguy
It pisses me off to think of the calculation behind Hillary's past decades.
She stayed with Bill, one of the most known philanderers, to be able to cash in on his support among the people and his political connections. I almost guarantee there was some sort of overt contract worked out between them as in she would stay with him IF he would throw his support behind her and use all his connections to help her succeed when the time comes.
Also, she set out to become senator of New York knowing that it was rich with delegates and that she'd need strong support like that to launch a presidential campaign. She had no business being a senator in New York, never lived there, had to place residence there just to be able to run for the position. Cool, calculated move to set her up just for a night like we saw last night. She knew she couldn't win a California senate position, so New York became the next most lucrative, and winnable, place for her to bounce to the presidency.
She's been planning this for years, pouring every bit of herself into this, working her contacts, laying foundations, staying with a husband who obviously cared little for her as a wife, and this is all she can pull off? She has arguably the most dominant political machine in the country, the most connections, the best name recognition, senate experience in New York, 8 years in the white house, ties to all of the major players in the democratic party...and along comes this guy with few connections, a horrible name, little experience, and he's almost caught up to her in a period of a year.
Why, oh why, isn't this a sign to more people that Hillary should not be our next president? She's essentially the rich kid who has been given EVERY privilege possible, and this guy comes along with unbelievable natural talent and runs nearly even with her. This should be a huge story, but it's not what's coming out now.
I suggest for people who think Obama didn't do much here, or who think Hillary really accomplished a lot last night, to step back and look and think that Hillary has been running for the presidency for over a decade. Obama, just about 1 year. And it's nearly tied.
She stayed with Bill, one of the most known philanderers, to be able to cash in on his support among the people and his political connections. I almost guarantee there was some sort of overt contract worked out between them as in she would stay with him IF he would throw his support behind her and use all his connections to help her succeed when the time comes.
Also, she set out to become senator of New York knowing that it was rich with delegates and that she'd need strong support like that to launch a presidential campaign. She had no business being a senator in New York, never lived there, had to place residence there just to be able to run for the position. Cool, calculated move to set her up just for a night like we saw last night. She knew she couldn't win a California senate position, so New York became the next most lucrative, and winnable, place for her to bounce to the presidency.
She's been planning this for years, pouring every bit of herself into this, working her contacts, laying foundations, staying with a husband who obviously cared little for her as a wife, and this is all she can pull off? She has arguably the most dominant political machine in the country, the most connections, the best name recognition, senate experience in New York, 8 years in the white house, ties to all of the major players in the democratic party...and along comes this guy with few connections, a horrible name, little experience, and he's almost caught up to her in a period of a year.
Why, oh why, isn't this a sign to more people that Hillary should not be our next president? She's essentially the rich kid who has been given EVERY privilege possible, and this guy comes along with unbelievable natural talent and runs nearly even with her. This should be a huge story, but it's not what's coming out now.
I suggest for people who think Obama didn't do much here, or who think Hillary really accomplished a lot last night, to step back and look and think that Hillary has been running for the presidency for over a decade. Obama, just about 1 year. And it's nearly tied.
adonis
Footballguy
Doubtful.
