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Actually no. I was thinking of George Pickens and Alec Pierce or even Sky Moore. But that was a doozy of a day it seems.

Actually no. I am also talking about in general. And my leagues are simply only some of the evidence I am using to arrive at that assessment. Evidence of others who are suggesting similar things, which I then provided. And yes, I understand what you mean by strawman. And I was asking, for...

Yea they have. Those soft fumbles is really what killed him. And he's improved to an extent. I never understood that issue. I mean, these are NFL QBs. Keep a ball close to your body, seems like a pretty simple skill. Or I guess I should say, doesn't seem like a difficult thing to...

I never claimed you said that. You did. lol No, it's not a strawman, because I didn't start out talking about you specifically. I was talking in general. And to me, THAT was the level of overhype, which I explained. I explained exactly what I was talking about, in regard to "overhype"...

So you think Young and Stroud are elite, generational talents? "Can't miss" Qbs? Or as close to cant miss as possible I suppose? Because to me, that's what you mean when you say what you are saying, that they deserve those accolades right now. In which case, I highly disagree. Regardless of...

No, I'm making a claim that people are becoming more reasonable about the entire draft class. And within that context, Stroud and Young. And about the value of the picks themselves, which depends on a number of factors. And I am suggesting their actual value was never quite as high as much of...

Shot, I wish Richardson would still be around in the late 2nd round, but I totally expect him to go late 1st-mid 2nd round. It is a 16 team league though, so that would be let's say, picks 10-20. And I'd be very concerned if I was sitting at like pick 16-20, if I was targeting him. I'm...

Well, if you are saying they are still overhyped or more overhyped, that's fair. I'm sure many still do overhype them and perceive them as something between generational and elite. And I do finally see more people putting Stroud ahead of Young, which I wholly agree with. SO sure, Stroud's...

I just mean as prospects in general. A year ago people were drooling all over themselves about these QB's. Now things are returning to earth. I didn't say they were bad prospects, I just said overhyped. I mean, people were talking about Young like he's the next Joe Montana. Do you remember...

Um no. If people are saying it, it's because it's true. And I'm not sure you quite get what "he didn't look bad' means. It's not the same as saying "he was great". And overall in those last 6 games, 4 of which thy Panthers won, Darnold played, not that bad. 3 of the games were actually above...

I gotta say, I think these QBs in the 2023 class were overhyped, and now perception is coming back down to earth. Levis will turn into Jones if he's lucky, approximately. I do think Levis has a better chance to succeed than like Richardson, but he doesn't have his ceiling obviously. Stroud I...

I believe so. He might not be the sharpest tool in the shed, and might have needed more time to really get the playbook down. But it definitely wasn't his physical tools, which are all there, and his field vision is quite good. But with an entire offseason now, and another training camp and...

Unfortunately, no arm to speak of. A lot of wobbly balls. Didn't Manziel have moxy and it factor? Baker Mayfield? Both had a better arm I think. What Pickett does have ahead of those two, is better decision making and vision. For sure. In the right situation, I think he can be that "game...

Well, I THINK Howell will be very successful based on his ability and traits, and all be it minimal performance, in preseason and then week 18, and of course what he did in college. And he has the high end physical skills and tools, that if he were to put it together, he could genuinely be a...

Expecting good things from this kid going into next year. Hunt carved out a nice role behind Chubb and no reason Ford can't do the same. I think he showed his talent in preseason. A sneaky good investment IMO long term. And how much longer can Chubb keep this up?

I'm not given up on Zack Wilson. He's too talented. But the Jets have a habit of ruining young QBs. Heck, even Darnold didn't look so bad 2nd half of the season when he returned at least for Carolina. If Wilson goes somewhere else, I think he still stands a chance to succeed. If the...

He is such a mediocre player with a completely mediocre arm and average accuracy. Not exactly the best recipe for a starting QB for a team that likes to win. Plus he got like 2 concussions already this year I think, maybe 1, I forget. Either way, I don't see Pickett improving that much, he...

Yup. I wouldn't even call it 'bad", it was just less good than his previous 2 years. He actually did a really good job with al the problems they were having, he still was productive. Just compared to the previous two seasons, it scared a lot of people obviously. If we go by any normal year...

He's going to be a good one. I could see him going as early as 11 to the Texans with their 2nd pick, or 15th with the Packers, which would be scary if al goes well in the offseason in GB . Or if not those two, I could definitely see Washington at 16 taking him if they don't take an OL. All...

Chicago not sold on Fields? After the 2nd half he had I don't see why that would be. He seems like he figured things out and was on his way to developing into a legit QB. I really wouldn't want my team wasting a 1st round pick on Richardson. He's way too much a risk. Sure he's got tools...