bigern1000
Footballguy
Me too. I'm in that league and was applauding him when I saw that deal come through...
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2011 offseason dynasty trades (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
Gave benson and crabtree
got bowe and filler
got bowe and filler
Boom Switch
Footballguy
I dont like that...
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
MS - Are you giving up on Crabtree? That seems surprising.
You robbed him, even though i dont know who filler is.
rapidskies
Footballguy
TEAM A: Give Blount and 1.8 rookie
TEAM B: Give 1.2 rookie
TEAM B: Give 1.2 rookie
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Footballguy
William Moore was filler. Haven't given up on crabtree just skeptical who his qb will be, we know cassel to bowe is a good combo.
Eastwood
Footballguy
I'd love to get the 1.2 pick for that.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Wow. Great trade for team A.
Spike
Footballguy
Zealots Field trade (in which I was not involved).
The largest quantity of assets moving in a trade I have ever seen.
Team A gave up:
Garrard, David JAC QB
Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR
Gresham, Jermaine CIN TE
Team B gave up:
McKnight, Joe NYJ RB
Spiller, C.J. BUF RB
Meachem, Robert NOS WR
Nelson, Jordy GBP WR
Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE
Dumervil, Elvis DEN LB
Year 2011 Round 4 Draft Pick from a different team in the league
Year 2011 Round 5 Draft Pick from a different team in the league
Year 2011 Round 6 Draft Pick from another different team in the league
Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team B
Year 2012 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team B
Year 2012 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team B
This gives Team B Fitz, AJ, Wallace and Megatron at WR.
The largest quantity of assets moving in a trade I have ever seen.
Team A gave up:
Garrard, David JAC QB
Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR
Gresham, Jermaine CIN TE
Team B gave up:
McKnight, Joe NYJ RB
Spiller, C.J. BUF RB
Meachem, Robert NOS WR
Nelson, Jordy GBP WR
Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE
Dumervil, Elvis DEN LB
Year 2011 Round 4 Draft Pick from a different team in the league
Year 2011 Round 5 Draft Pick from a different team in the league
Year 2011 Round 6 Draft Pick from another different team in the league
Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team B
Year 2012 Round 3 Draft Pick from Team B
Year 2012 Round 4 Draft Pick from Team B
This gives Team B Fitz, AJ, Wallace and Megatron at WR.
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
12 team PPR.
I Gave: QB Eli Manning
WR Michael Crabtree
TE Zach Miller (OAK)
I Got: QB Sam Bradford
WR Demaryius Thomas
1.11
2.11
3.11
This league is slightly different in that there is no rookie draft, but rather a rookie auction. So the 1.11 adds $120, the 2.11 adds $50 and the 3.11 $22. I already had the most money for the auction before this trade. I started with $494, and after adding this $194 gives me $686, with the next highest guy having $478. This is the first year of this league so I have no idea how the auction will play out at all.
I Gave: QB Eli Manning
WR Michael Crabtree
TE Zach Miller (OAK)
I Got: QB Sam Bradford
WR Demaryius Thomas
1.11
2.11
3.11
This league is slightly different in that there is no rookie draft, but rather a rookie auction. So the 1.11 adds $120, the 2.11 adds $50 and the 3.11 $22. I already had the most money for the auction before this trade. I started with $494, and after adding this $194 gives me $686, with the next highest guy having $478. This is the first year of this league so I have no idea how the auction will play out at all.
Are you team A? If so, congrats.
loose circuits
Footballguy
is Blount's value really that low? I like this trade for the guy getting him and the pick
I would think almost every Blount owner would trade him to you for a similar package. Have you tried to trade for him in your league?
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Another deal I think I got great value on:
Give: 2.10, 3.2
Get: Gresham, 3.11
These are rookie picks.
Give: 2.10, 3.2
Get: Gresham, 3.11
These are rookie picks.
rapidskies
Footballguy
Thanks! Yeah I'm team A. This trade balances out with all the bad trades I do.
I have the 1.1 1.2 now and working on 1.3. Will be interesting to see where the top 3 land.
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
So someone takes Gresham last year with what was likely a late 1st/early 2nd, watches him have a pretty productive rookie season, and decides to parlay that into two mediocre picks? Terrible
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Agreed, and he offered the trade, but for a couple of back-and-forths. I was pleased to oblige him haha. I went back and looked, and he took him with the 2.4...so he took less value, and moved up in the 3rd round, when we both already have multiple 3rd round picks. I agree, terrible trade for him. I have high hopes for Gresham.
loose circuits
Footballguy
offered 1.10 and 3.04 and was shot downHe should only get better after having an off season to work on timing. The Bucs offense is only going to improve with all the young talent at WR and that QB.Go deep said:
I'd shoot that offer down too. Moving up from the #8 to the #2 is a ton of value, getting the #10 and a 3rd rounder isn't.
loose circuits
Footballguy
so 6 spots is worth more than the 1.10 and a 3rd, I'm not sure I agree with that...so what is the 1.2 worth in terms of 1st round picks if you have 1.08 already in the deal? 1.07 I guess? I'm not sure I agree- especially with a May draft where guys value can change drastically. Maybe where I disagree is on the value of a 6 spot bump because I don't think it's anything more than that as I like the top 6 with Leshoure, Julio, R. Williams, Green, Ingram, Baldwin. Hard to say where Blount's value would be at in a rookie draft when we don't know where guys end up, but what we do know is he has a starting gig in an offense that is getting better. His main issue is that he doesn't catch passes. Depending on where Ingram ends up, I'm not even sure he's not worth close with the uncertainty. I know with 1.08, I'd be pretty happy with Murray, Thomas, Hunter, or one of those type of backs cause 1 or 2 of them will likely end up in a good spot not to mention Young or Smith at WR who both have some legitimate upside- should basically have 2nd choice of which one of those type prospects ends up in the best situation or 1st choice with 1.07. I don't think it's that bad...I guess maybe 1 of Ingram or Green are worth 2 of those guys, depending on roster. The risk & upside is too close IMO between the rookies to be able to say 2 for 1 is good at those different points, would need to see them on the field 1st.
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The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
The move from the 8 spot to the 2 spot is worth a lot more than the 1.10 and a 3rd. It would probably cost the 1.04 in addition to the 1.08 to consider moving the 1.02.
Cassius
Footballguy
Yes. Not really close.
It's not just 6 spots, it's 6 spots up to the #2 overall. You're right, there's a chance the #2 pick could flop and the others could hit, but in terms of value, it isn't close.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
16 team IDP
.5/1ppr/1.5ppr
I delt
1.06
Ryan Mathews
Jordy Nelson
Mario Mannigham
Marshawn Lynch
for
Dez Bryant
Last year my WR's were patchwork kind of guys that helped me get to within half a point of a championship.
I wanted to solidify 1 WR to build around.
Now,
I have
Dez
Branch
Smith (car)
Floyd
.5/1ppr/1.5ppr
I delt
1.06
Ryan Mathews
Jordy Nelson
Mario Mannigham
Marshawn Lynch
for
Dez Bryant
Last year my WR's were patchwork kind of guys that helped me get to within half a point of a championship.
I wanted to solidify 1 WR to build around.
Now,
I have
Dez
Branch
Smith (car)
Floyd
The Berry Man
Footballguy
TEAM A GAVE:
Mario Manningham
Mercedes Lewis
Lance Briggs
2011 2nd (#25)
TEAM B GAVE:
DeAngello Williams
Mario Manningham
Mercedes Lewis
Lance Briggs
2011 2nd (#25)
TEAM B GAVE:
DeAngello Williams
Spike
Footballguy
I think you lost in that one.
Im not looking at it as draft picks, im looking at the 1.2 as either Ingram or Green. Those guys are legitimate top 10's at their respective positions. You might hit a good player with the 1.08 or 1.10 pick, but it is a long shot, especially this year. Im not particularly high on Blount, i think the Bucs definitely bring in another back to at least split carries.
No Way Jose
Footballguy
You certainly needed WR help, but you should have been able to get more than Bryant for what you traded.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
I could not sniffCalvin, Roddy, AJ, Fitz, Vjax, NicksBeen trying, top WR are hard to pry unless you are sending top (RB/WR/TE) back.The main cogs for me are 1.06 and Mathews.Mannigham could be a steal next year or a BYE week flex. I will let someone else worry about that now.The closest thing I had was Mannigham, Mathews, 1.06 forMaclin, Laurent, and mid 2nd next year.Way I looked at it was...for LynchLaurentNelsonmid 2nd in 2012I would much rather have someone I feel can be a top STUD WR.We'll see.There are times i felt i was overpaying, but I am very happy to own Dez now
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Footballguy
Did you attempt bowe, Austin, Wallace, Jennings,etc ?I can't see dez being considered anywhere near sniffing top ten.
The Berry Man
Footballguy
PPR?
The_Head_Ape
Footballguy
Start 4 WR,
Team A gives:
Calvin Johnson
Team B gives:
Tampa Mike Williams
Stevie Johnson
As far as WR lineups go....
Team B now has:
Nicks, Roddy, Calvin, BMarshall, and scrubs
Team A now has:
TBMW, Stevie Johnson, Crabtree, Hines Ward, and scrubs
Team A gives:
Calvin Johnson
Team B gives:
Tampa Mike Williams
Stevie Johnson
As far as WR lineups go....
Team B now has:
Nicks, Roddy, Calvin, BMarshall, and scrubs
Team A now has:
TBMW, Stevie Johnson, Crabtree, Hines Ward, and scrubs
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I like mike will more than most, but that's a brutal trade for the former Megatron owner.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
That is pretty bad. In a 16 team league, depth is big. You gave up way too much for a guy that is so unproven. I think you could have gotten Calvin for that, pretty easily.EDIT: I see that you said you could not get Megatron. Still, Matthews is close to Bryant in value - closer than this.
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perhaps, but 5 years from now only dez matters. the others are easily replacable
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Everyone involved will still have value in 5 years. People would be foolish to write off Matthews after one year, not pay attention to what Manningham did towards the end of last year, ignore what Nelson can do w/no driver, and treat Lynch as a throw in, in a 16 team league. The odds of this deal working out are very low.
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
I think Dez is a future top 5 WR so I like the deal for you. I have never played in a 16 teamer though so I can't say how that changes things.
The Berry Man
Footballguy
If you think Dez is a surefire stud, I think it's a great deal. I like it, it's being bold and showing conviction on a player, which is a good thing in dynasty leagues IMO.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Dez would have to end up top 5 for it to work, that is the issue. You should be able to get - in a 16 team league - guys like S. Rice, Marshall or Miles for Matthews + Manningham (or maybe less). In other words, he is paying a lot for hype or hope, which is worse than buying high on a proven player.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Dez has a lot more value than Matthews in this league. Except for the top stud RBs, runningback value is pretty muted. Only downside i see is that Dez is still relatively unproven so there is a risk factor. That said id still take the Dez side, it is close though.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Maybe rice because of the injuries. But youre not sniffing marshall or austin for matthews and manningham.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Maybe I need to hear the starting requirements. Because if they are standard, VBD says RBs are big in a 16 teamer.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Must start 3 wrs. Start 1 rb, 2 te set or 2 rbs, 1 te set. Top tight ends score like and hold as much value as top rbs with the 1.5 ppr for tight ends.
The Berry Man
Footballguy
Uhh no, it would also work if Dez only ever becomes a WR15ish player and Mathews continues to disappoint. Not sure why you think Dez is hype/hope but don't seem to think the same applies to Matthews.
