Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
You don't do that in rookie drafts because you're only talking about 2 to 4 rounds. In initial startup drafts you can take chances.
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2011 offseason dynasty trades (1 Viewer)
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jeter23
Footballguy
I think each year there is an assumed order for the top prospects. That could be 3, 4, 5 deep etc. This year it is 3 deep. After that, if you really like a guy, you'd better grab him. If that means taking a guy like Hankerson over Ryan Williams, go for it.
I honestly don't know if the Top 3 are set right now. All this smoke about Ingram not going in the first round or even the frist RB taken later this month is probably just a result of no Free Agency to talk about... but still.
The only thing that I know for sure is that Green is the favorite to go #1 in rookie drafts, after that?
I will say that there are two sleepers at WR that I am targeting in all my drafts and may have to move up in all my leagues to get them (would go as high as 8 or 9 in the first to make sure).
Personally, the Rookie draft is a whole nother animal when it comes to strategy: if there is someone you like, you have to be aggressive and maybe draft a little early or overpay. Not really looking for value like a start up or redraft.
The only thing that I know for sure is that Green is the favorite to go #1 in rookie drafts, after that?
I will say that there are two sleepers at WR that I am targeting in all my drafts and may have to move up in all my leagues to get them (would go as high as 8 or 9 in the first to make sure).
Personally, the Rookie draft is a whole nother animal when it comes to strategy: if there is someone you like, you have to be aggressive and maybe draft a little early or overpay. Not really looking for value like a start up or redraft.
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
I think you are overblowing things a bit. The Ingram stuff is one unconfirmed report from a reporter, and a couple guys on a message board trying to say he isn't going in the first round (while the overwhelming consensus is still that he is).
Illegal Pants Downfield
Footballguy
These things tend to change dramatically after the NFL draft.
Last year this time, Jonathan Dwyer was generally considered a top 5-6 prospect.
After his precipitous fall in the NFL draft, he was a mid-late 2nd round prospect in rookie drafts.
I'd call it a solid top-5 right now, with a big dropoff & much bigger question marks starting at 1.06.
Last year this time, Jonathan Dwyer was generally considered a top 5-6 prospect.
After his precipitous fall in the NFL draft, he was a mid-late 2nd round prospect in rookie drafts.
I'd call it a solid top-5 right now, with a big dropoff & much bigger question marks starting at 1.06.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
PPR, 12 team dynasty
Team A gave up:
Collie, Austin IND WR
Thomas, Mike JAC WR
Year 2011 Draft Pick 1.10
Fighting Couch Potatoes 3 gave up:
Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR
Year 2011 Draft Pick 2.11
Team A gave up:
Collie, Austin IND WR
Thomas, Mike JAC WR
Year 2011 Draft Pick 1.10
Fighting Couch Potatoes 3 gave up:
Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR
Year 2011 Draft Pick 2.11
Couch Potato
Footballguy
PPR, 12 team dynasty
Team A gave up:
Jackson, Fred BUF RB
Fighting Couch Potatoes 2 gave up:
Year 2012 Round 2 Draft Pick from Fighting Couch Potatoes 2
(FCP won league in 2010, so 2012 pick might be assumed to be late)
Team A gave up:
Jackson, Fred BUF RB
Fighting Couch Potatoes 2 gave up:
Year 2012 Round 2 Draft Pick from Fighting Couch Potatoes 2
(FCP won league in 2010, so 2012 pick might be assumed to be late)
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Kleck
Footballguy
Interesting... I value Maclin a bit more than this and have been debating what to offer for him. Any reasoning behind why you made this trade?TIA
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Well, first I'll say it was a tough decision to part with Maclin and in non-PPR I don't think I would have done so. If Collie stays healthy though, I think he will obliterate the gap between them with his catch totals, and certainly can be a 90+ catch guy (he was on pace for 114 catches in games he played fully). Thomas is another high catch guy, esp with MSW likely gone, and has value in PPR. And the 1.10 pick is nice.Maclin's 10 TDs on 70 catches last year are, I think, bound to come down, as is his catch pct of 62%. I'm skeptical Vick can have another season passing like he did last year. He's never done anything close before and I'm still having trouble believing what I saw.The big risk is Collie with his concussions. If he stays on the field I have no worries about getting good value in this deal. If he doesn't, and he's forced to retire after another 2 or 3 concussions, I'm a loser on this.
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Couch Potato
Footballguy
Well yeah, but I won this 24-team league (two 12-team conferences) so it's a reasonable guess in this case. The team is pretty good. Brees, Brady, Chris Johnson, Foster, Nicks, Witten... you get the idea.
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The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
Typically I think this is because the smarter perennial playoff teams are dealing their picks to the more rookie crazy weaker teams. A lot can happen in a FF season, but a lot of the teams that I would classify as "probably late" picks are so stacked that is hard to see them not making the playoffs.
loose circuits
Footballguy
last year in one of my leagues, James Starks went in the 1st round as well as Emmanuel Sanders. One of my (former) leaguemates berated the owners for picking those guys because they didn't follow ADP and talked to them like they never did any research before and this is a highly competitive league. It was insane, but the 2 different owners got the last laugh and we had to boot the critical guy out of the league cause he went completely crazy after that when his criticisms weren't taken well. I say grab your guy and be happy with it, worked out for both of those guys. You just never know how people are going to evaluate rookies which is why it is so fun
Love the 2.12/Jacoby Ford side of the 1st trade.If one of those 1sts in the 2nd trade turns into T.Richardson it actually becomes even if not in that owner's favor.
eaglesfan7
Footballguy
How can you know where the 2012 picks will land (early or late) when the 2011 season hasn't been played yet?
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gianmarco
Footballguy
They are estimations based on current rosters. They are pretty good estimations.
In the first trade Team B got the better end of the deal. Unless it's a 16 team or 2 QB start league I don't put much of a value on Cassell. Ford looked more explosive to me than Obamanu plus he's much younger with less experience so his growth curve should be higher. Tamme is a Dallas Clark injury away from competing for #1TE in fantasy football and if you can hold him for a year he could be a FA. Than on top of that team B improved their draft spot.In the second trade a steal for team A. Arguably a young top 5 PPR RB for 3 future draft picks, a spare QB and at best a RB3 if they don't bring in someone to take his job.
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The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
Some teams you can reasonably approximate. If a team is pretty much devoid of talent, its a safe bet they won't be in the playoffs, and will pick in the top half of the round. Similarly a lot of dynasty teams have STACKED rosters, and while they aren't a guarantee to win it all, they more than likely will be a playoff team. Now there are lots of teams that probably fall in that middle range that could go either way, but some teams you can identify pretty reasonably.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Agree here. But that trade had to take place in order for the 2nd trade to happen. That's why I listed them together. Without Cassel, the 2nd deal doesn't happen.
Pretty fair, slight edge to the guy getting MJD.
gianmarco
Footballguy
I'll take the DMC side all day long here. Then again, I'd probably take him straight up.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I have to agree. MJD knee has a lot of fantasy folks worried. No one likes to here the words "bone on bone", especially for a freaking RB.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I'm not seeing your post. All you did was quote a post without entering anything.
eaglesfan7
Footballguy
It wasn't bone on bone and he had just a scope of the knee not microfracture surgery.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Tania Ganguli of the Times-Union reported it was bone on bone. I guess that could have been exaggerated.
Not sure what happened, but I tried to write:Even with the recent reports that it is not bone on bone?
It was speculated, it was never reported a fact.
eaglesfan7
Footballguy
Hoss, check her latest tweets. She just reported the same thing as those reports from DynastyFF.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I'll be happy if he's ok as I do have him in 2 of my 9 leagues. I guess time will tell.
eaglesfan7
Footballguy
It wasn't bone on bone and he had just a scope of the knee not microfracture surgery.
Tania Ganguli of the Times-Union reported it was bone on bone. I guess that could have been exaggerated.
Hoss, check her latest tweets. She just reported the same thing as those reports from DynastyFF.
I'll be happy if he's ok as I do have him in 2 of my 9 leagues. I guess time will tell.
Here is the story: http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/429812/tania-ganguli/2011-04-05/maurice-jones-drew-able-run-ahead-schedule-after
And now she says it was bone on bone.
Tania Ganguli of the Times-Union reported it was bone on bone. I guess that could have been exaggerated.
Hoss, check her latest tweets. She just reported the same thing as those reports from DynastyFF.
I'll be happy if he's ok as I do have him in 2 of my 9 leagues. I guess time will tell.
Here is the story: http://jacksonville.com/opinion/blog/429812/tania-ganguli/2011-04-05/maurice-jones-drew-able-run-ahead-schedule-after
And now she says it was bone on bone.
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Thanks for feedback...I'm Team B and I've been having some seller's remorse on giving up MJD. Did notice that McFaddin outscored MJD in our league last year and I needed another WR (current corp of Burleson, Garcon, Santana Moss, Hines Ward, Terrell Owens, Laurent Robinson and now Knox) Pitiful WR corp!!
Boom Switch
Footballguy
12 team PPR
Team A gave:
MJD
Roddy White
Percy Harvin
2011 2nd rd rookie pick
Team B got:
Ray Rice
Greg Jennings
Steve Johnson
2011 3rd rd rookie pick
Team A gave:
MJD
Roddy White
Percy Harvin
2011 2nd rd rookie pick
Team B got:
Ray Rice
Greg Jennings
Steve Johnson
2011 3rd rd rookie pick
MJD side, it has a slight edge with each player/pick.
loose circuits
Footballguy
would take MJD/White/Harvin side by a large margin, and they get the upgrade in pick. Kinda ridiculous
Boom Switch
Footballguy
I dont know, I like Rice over MJD and Steve Johnson over "migrane" Harvin. Like roddy over Jennings and 2nd rounder over the 3rd rounder. I think its pretty close, who knows....
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loose circuits
Footballguy
Not a Steve Johnson fan
Boom Switch
Footballguy
If he missed games due to migranes I wouldnt be a fan either. On the other hand Im always a fan of 82 catches and 10 td's..
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hellostranger19
Footballguy
rice/jennings/stevie and by a fair margin.
rapidskies
Footballguy
Team A: gave 1.01 rookie pick
Team B: gave Forte + 1.05 rookie pick
(I'm team A and have the 1.02 rookie pick as well)
Team B: gave Forte + 1.05 rookie pick
(I'm team A and have the 1.02 rookie pick as well)
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Advantage you. I have the 1.01 and was thinking of using it to get just Forte.
Fighting Noles
Footballguy
Is the Forte trade in a PPR league? Just curious....
Warpig
Footballguy
16 tm IDP PPR with contract years and cap. start 1qb, 1-2rb, 3-4wr, 1-2te
I gave:
Chris Johnson
Adrian Arrington
Javarris James
2011 2.07 rookie pick
2012 5th round rookie pick
He gave:
Jordy Nelson
Dan Connor
2011 1.02
2011 2.02
2012 1st
I'm assuming that 2012 1st will be in the top 5 or so.
I'm hoping Thomas Davis and James Anderson walk in free agency and Connor sticks at MLB.
I have Jahvid Best, Steven Jackson, and Michael Bush as my RB's. I plan on using the 1.02 to get either Ingram or LeShoure. My WR's are now Brandon Marshall, Dez Bryant, Santonio Holmes, Fat Mike Williams, Jordy Nelson, Jason Hill, Deon Butler, Emmanual Sanders, Stephen Williams.
I now have the 1.02, 1.04, 2.01, 2.02, 3.01, 4.04, 4.14, and 5.04 rookie picks and three first rounders in 2012.
I gave:
Chris Johnson
Adrian Arrington
Javarris James
2011 2.07 rookie pick
2012 5th round rookie pick
He gave:
Jordy Nelson
Dan Connor
2011 1.02
2011 2.02
2012 1st
I'm assuming that 2012 1st will be in the top 5 or so.
I'm hoping Thomas Davis and James Anderson walk in free agency and Connor sticks at MLB.
I have Jahvid Best, Steven Jackson, and Michael Bush as my RB's. I plan on using the 1.02 to get either Ingram or LeShoure. My WR's are now Brandon Marshall, Dez Bryant, Santonio Holmes, Fat Mike Williams, Jordy Nelson, Jason Hill, Deon Butler, Emmanual Sanders, Stephen Williams.
I now have the 1.02, 1.04, 2.01, 2.02, 3.01, 4.04, 4.14, and 5.04 rookie picks and three first rounders in 2012.
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rapidskies
Footballguy
Non PPR, It's a hybrid league with .5ppr.
