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MIGHT be? Jesus, what IS veto-worthy these days? Only AP for Jamarcus Russell?How come your leagues always have terrible deals? This one is just plain terrible and might be veto worthy.12 man PPROrlando gave up:Year 2011 Draft Pick 2.04Year 2013 Round 2 Draft Pick from Puerto RicoLas Vegas gave up:Moore, Marlon MIA WRRobiskie, Brian CLE WR
A new owner in my league traded the 1.5, 1.8, and a 2012 first from the worst team in the league for Michael Bush and Kyle Orton. He went on to cut Bush. I took an fbg poll if it was veto worthy and 60% said no. Just yesterday the same guy gave me DeMarco Murrey for Sammie Sraughter and a 4th. I think he should be removed from the leagueMIGHT be? Jesus, what IS veto-worthy these days? Only AP for Jamarcus Russell?How come your leagues always have terrible deals? This one is just plain terrible and might be veto worthy.12 man PPROrlando gave up:Year 2011 Draft Pick 2.04Year 2013 Round 2 Draft Pick from Puerto RicoLas Vegas gave up:Moore, Marlon MIA WRRobiskie, Brian CLE WR
Whether you think Hillis' year was flukely or not, I'd say it would be more than a little far fetched to say he'll be flirting with the waiver wire this year (especially since Hardesty looks like he hasn't recovered from last year's knee surgery). I'd aslo says it would be hard to defend Jennings as a much better talent as well. I think Jennings is a fine runner, but he was a late round pick, so talent evaluators never saw him as elite, and he hasn't shown a real lot at this level yet. What about the way Hillis plays tells you that he has no talent (and by saying he'll be a waiver wire player you're basically saying that).
I think Hillis absolutely has talent, but I place much of his success last year on the shoulders of that excellent offensive line in Cleveland. I agree that Hillis' competition for carries is weak so in all likelihood he should be expected to get similar work this year. My concerns are his ability to hold up for another 16 games (which he didn't really do last year) and his need for that offensive line to stay intact. It's a purely subjective view, so you may have lower levels of risk assigned to those factors than I do. To me he screams 'sell while you can' but I understand others may have less concern.When I singled out Jennings as the most talented, I mean that in the sense that he appears to be less situation-dependent than Hillis or Jones. I understand his draft position was low, but he's a small school guy and I think we all know by now those guys don't get the benefit of the doubt in the early rounds of the NFL draft very often. I could see Jennings still being productive even with MJD around and can easily see him being the next hot RB that goes to another team for a 3 year run of success à la Michael Turner.
Really? I shouldn't even justify you with an answer for bringing race into this. Yes, there is something more to it. I watched both play and find Jennings to have superior vision, instincts, and ability to elude hits. I don't care how many yards he's had thus far in his career; I care how many he may have going forward. The past is only a small indicator of the future to me. Perhaps it's bigger for you. That's why we don't all own the same players.
Yes I am. That offensive line is one of the best in football.I've given my reasoning here. You can do with it what you wish. Time for the discussion to fade so the thread can get back on track.
I have Bryant on my team, and I am a fan. But no way would I give up Foster and Witten for Vick and Bryant.'JEWMAH9701 said:
I know that injury is a risk that all these players face. But to me, Vick's playing style lends itself to a shorter career.seems even to me.
If team B has ADP and little else it's a great trade for him. That's actually quite a haul.2 starters and 3 1st rd picks spread over 2 yrs. If he packages a pick with a player, he could find another upgrade and still have 2 good picks in his pocket.ETA: I'm not a Gerhart believer either. I would be surprised if he got more than 50% of the carries if ADP were unavailable. He just looks like fools gold to me.
I disagree but if he's in rebuild and can deal Bradshaw/Benson for additional picks it isn't bad. As it stands, he has two marginal starters for the next year or two and then a few prospects which he hopes pan out. In exchange he gave one of the best players in all of football.
Which part do you disagree with?
I take Vick and Bryant.I know that injury is a risk that all these players face. But to me, Vick's playing style lends itself to a shorter career.
Team B got a good rodgering on that one.
You killed him.
Not sure how you managed to get Nicks too. Huh.
You won big time.'Dez said:
I wish I could get Lloyd for Moreno in a NON-ppr league. I thought he was going to put it together, but the training camp updates are not positive.'pghrob said:
A win for you.'Eastwood said:
Ingram in a landside.
I'm not arguing with you, but do you really think a landslide? Turner you know what you're getting, a feature back who won't catch passes. Is Ingram, even though he's been a camp stud, going to be sharing the way that everyone else in NO has?
Two years of production vs 6-8 years of production. Plus it's PPR. Yes, a landslide. Caused by a tsunami. Triggered by an earthquake.Saints have shared the way they have in the past because that was the talent level of the guys available. That will end.
You don't know what you're getting with Turner. Thomas Jones or Larry Johnson.
Look at the age. Ingran usually goes in the 2nd round of a start up while Turner goes in the 5th or 6th.The only way this trade would even make any sense is if the guy getting Turner is 1 RB away from a title but then again Ingram might score just about as much as him anyway then the trade would really look awful.Age age age...very important especially for RB's.'thriftyrocker said:
Umm wow ?
me don't understand
Yeah, that one was a head scratcher
Great trade for you IMO....nice work
Still feeling that Manningham is a throw in, with S. Smith going to the Eagles?
Yup, he still wasn't on my keeper list. No matter how I look at it, he didn't make the cut.
Unless it's a 2QB league, the two best players are on the left
