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2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (1 Viewer)
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Detroit Revival
Footballguy
10 Team 1/2 pt PPR - Start QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1 RB/WR flex and 1 W/R/T flex
Brandon Myers for Reuben Randle straight up.
Brandon Myers for Reuben Randle straight up.
JustinHawkins
Footballguy
12 team PPR dynasty
I gave: Bell, Hilton, Locker
I got: Morris, Sanders, Eli
I gave: Bell, Hilton, Locker
I got: Morris, Sanders, Eli
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I like Randle. If Nicks has another injury plagued season, Randle could replace him next year.
Morris.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
No way you give up Fitz for guys with no market upside. Let alone give away a guy with elite upside along with it.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
I like going from Morris to Bell but I think you need an upgrade on both the B and C components instead of just one of them to be fair value.
JustinHawkins
Footballguy
Thrifty not sure i understand your post. Feel like I upgraded at RB and QB, and he upgraded at WR.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Really? That's surprising to me. Give me the Redskins all-time leader in yards/season.
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thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Locker is not an upgrade over much of anyone. At best it is a push because Eli is a low ceiling/high floor player. But I'd rank Eli far above Locker personally and I'd find a better time to flip him. Would rather have a 2014 3rd than Locker if push comes to shove because that pick could be Manziel or Mariota next year. Doubt you get a 3rd for Locker.
EtA: Man, my bad on reading comprehension, missed who got the got and who gave the gave. Yes you upgraded at RB and QB. He should have upgraded at QB and WR to make it fairer.
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JustinHawkins
Footballguy
Again I upgraded from Locker to Eli and from Bell to Morris.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
IMO a guy like Locker isn't even rosterable in a 12 team start 1 QB league, and honestly Eli isn't much better -- QB is so deep that there's just no market for decent backup types (Eli) let alone a flyer type like Jake Locker.
That said, I'd easily take the Morris side here.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Well it's not an opportune time to promote Bell. I think they are similar players. If you can get a big plus on the side orders it's worth trading off "seen him do it" for "draft pedigree." When I did it early this summer I got Vereen and Jeffery out of it, so I think I won the side orders a little more handily than the Bell side in Justin's trade.
Obv there are some people who think Morris is going to be a starting RB for 4 to 6 years and I am not one of those people.
JustinHawkins
Footballguy
Morris is going no where. Shanny LOVES him. He is also amazingly humble and hard working. Unless he gets injured, you are looking at the skins starting RB until he breaks down.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
The market for Eli is limited. However he offers a lot of security as a backup and allows you to trade high on other players. Roster flexibility. There will always be a better time to sell him. Wait for him to play PHI this year for example.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
This isn't Ryan Torain having a few good games; Morris ran for 1600 yards (!) and that doesn't happen by accident. He's legit.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
One or two more disclaimers and I might fully agree. Awesome ride, though. That was a great story about his car.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Every RB is an injury risk. He is more likely to lose his job by getting injured. He is more likely to lose dynasty value when he gets injured due to the perceived risk he will lose his job by getting injured. His current market value is less fungible due to the perceived risk he will lose his job by getting injured. This is an obvious argument on both side so I hesitate to contribute.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I agree, but I personally feel I am finding value in this perception. If the hobby saw Morris coming, he'd be much more valuable than he is today. If Bell, Lacy, Ball, or Gio run for 1,400+ yards and 10+ TDs - they'll be tier 1 dynasty players this time next year.
He's not as safe as McCoy, Spiller, Peterson, Richardson - guys with universally agreed upon talent levels - but he doesn't demand those prices, either. It's rare to find a 24 YO RB with more redraft value than dynasty value. I feel I am getting a discount, then, in dynasty formats.
He doesn't need to start for 4-6 years for me to get value. One more top 5-7 season, and he will have been worth more than most LeVeon Bell model players prove to be throughout their careers.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
OK I'm with you there then. I don't generally worry as much about market value on guys that I'm content to just ride, but see the other side also. And Morris' trade value is absolutely lagging behind the actual value he provided on the field last year. I've been trying (unsuccessfully thus far) to buy him this offseason for this reason -- think I'm too late. His owners are convinced at this point or if they weren't, they mostly sold him off early last year.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Ironically both RBs fit this criteria.
Bell's FFCalculator ADP: 33 DLF ADP: 50
Morris' FFCalculator ADP: 11 DLF ADP: 16
Concept Coop
Footballguy
[SIZE=10.5pt]I don't know how ironic it is. I should have clarified within position, as ADP is always going to be greatly shifted towards RBs in redraft formats. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]ETA: Morris is going later than 16 in the PPR startups I see. If that (16) is his actual ADP, my perception of his market value could be off, and it's higher than I thought. Or, higher than it is in my collection of leagues, at least. [/SIZE]
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thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Well my opening point was that they are similar guys. Maybe it was Morissettian irony.
Bell FFC RB21 DLF RB23
Morris FFC RB10 DLF RB9
Their value is higher in redraft because we assume workload.
Bell is interchangeable with Lacy, Ball, and Bernard in dynasty but a round+ higher in redraft because the workload is more guaranteed.
Bell FFC RB21 DLF RB23
Morris FFC RB10 DLF RB9
Their value is higher in redraft because we assume workload.
Bell is interchangeable with Lacy, Ball, and Bernard in dynasty but a round+ higher in redraft because the workload is more guaranteed.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I personally don't see them as that similar, and I was pretty high on Bell during the college season. I know what Morris can do in the very situation he's currently in. Even after assuming Bell gets a lion's share - I'll have to wait and see with him and his.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
In redraft Locker should be on waivers in dynasty he gets one more year before he gets the Gabbert treatment. I love the Morris side
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Disagree that Locker (or Ponder, Gabbert, Weeden, Bradford, insert young non-running QB here) is remotely rosterable in a typical 1QB dynasty league. The reasonable upside on those dudes is to roughly be Eli Manning in a worse situation -- those roster spots are much better spent cycling through RB / WR flyers hoping to have something stick as opposed to tying down a spot on a Locker for going on 3 years now hoping he'll develop into a 3500 / 25 QB who you'll never be happy starting anyway.
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tjtehansky
Footballguy
12 team ppr.
S Ridley
J Wright
M Bennett
L Dunbar
for
L Bell
K Britt
G Olsen
S Ridley
J Wright
M Bennett
L Dunbar
for
L Bell
K Britt
G Olsen
Donsmith753
Footballguy
Tau837
Footballguy
10 team Superflex non-PPR league.
Team A traded
Aaron Rodgers
Jermichael Finley
to Team B for
Tom Brady
Jimmy Graham
Prior to the trade, I viewed these teams as being grouped together as the 3rd and 4th best teams in the league, close to contending but a bit behind the top two teams.
Thoughts?
Team A traded
Aaron Rodgers
Jermichael Finley
to Team B for
Tom Brady
Jimmy Graham
Prior to the trade, I viewed these teams as being grouped together as the 3rd and 4th best teams in the league, close to contending but a bit behind the top two teams.
Thoughts?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
EBF
Footballguy
I like the Graham side. I think the edge he gives you over the average starting TE is bigger than the edge you'd get from Rodgers.
That's especially true in a 10 team league. Almost every team should be starting somebody like Peyton, Luck, Brees, Romo, Newton, RG3, Ryan, or Brady.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
That is what I was thinking, I would like to know if he made any trades when they took these teams over back in January, I would also like to see what his roster is now. Next time my husband's buddy comes over I will try to get him to bring up the league page.ghostguy123 said:
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Damn, new deals keep popping up making me change my sig. I haven't even gotten around to putting up the previous few worst deals. This one:.........worst yet. Will change my Sig when I get to a computer. Good god. That needs reversed ASAP.nosaj73 said:
SieteCinco
Footballguy
12 Team, 24 man rosters + 4 man Taxi/IR
Team A Gives: 2014 3rd
Team B Gives: Quinton Patton
Team B needed to clear out an extra roster spot or two, and team A had two 2014 3rds (the 3rd he traded was the 3.10 this year)
Team A Gives: 2014 3rd
Team B Gives: Quinton Patton
Team B needed to clear out an extra roster spot or two, and team A had two 2014 3rds (the 3rd he traded was the 3.10 this year)
ptsteelers
Footballguy
Yep. If the commish didn't step in and veto this ... or at least put it to league vote, I would quit too. Absolutely so one-sided it comes under the collusion category. At least from the outside looking in.nosaj73 said:
Don't take my response personal, you asked
msudaisy26
Footballguy
If you like the league, how could you accept this trade? I am not attacking you by the way, I am serious. If I was offered a trade that one sided I would go back to the owner and say I do like and want those guys but here how about this, my offer would still be in my favor but not to this extent. I like my dynasty league and wouldn't want to piss off the other teams.Yep. If the commish didn't step in and veto this ... or at least put it to league vote, I would quit too. Absolutely so one-sided it comes under the collusion category. At least from the outside looking in.Don't take my response personal, you askednosaj73 said:
I would have offered a Frank Gore or something like that back.
cstu
Footballguy
Keep 15 which means he probably isn't keeping Romo after this year. Stafford for AP is still bad though.
Papa Georgio
Footballguy
Team A gave:
2013 1.4
2014 round 1
2015 round 1
Team B gave:
ADP
2013 1.10
2013 1.4
2014 round 1
2015 round 1
Team B gave:
ADP
2013 1.10
tjtehansky
Footballguy
12 team ppr
Ridley and DeSean Jackson for Gio and Britt
Ridley and DeSean Jackson for Gio and Britt
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MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Team 1 gives:
Gio Bernard
Cordarelle Patterson
Team 2 gives:
DeAndre Hopkins
Eddie Lacy
Gio Bernard
Cordarelle Patterson
Team 2 gives:
DeAndre Hopkins
Eddie Lacy
Phenix
Footballguy
- King Dingaling gave up Keller, Dustin MIA TE; Pitta, Dennis BAL TE; Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick; Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick
Rick gave up Davis, Fred WAS TE; Rudolph, Kyle MIN TE
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Interesting all rookie trade, assuming it happened after the rookie draft. I like the Gio/Patt side, but can easily see a case for Hopkins/Lacy side, especially if you need immediate points.
