2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

Little Big Head gave up:

Johnson, Chris TEN RB

The Dirty Mullets gave up:

Moore, Denarius OAK WR

Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick from The Dirty Mullets

Year 2014 Round 3 Draft Pick from The Dirty Mullets

this makes little sense. Why trade cj for that right now?

To me either.

I thought this would be the other way. How much longer do you think a 28 yo speed back has left?

its a pretty good haul depending on how you view Moore; I think CJ will be effective till hes 30 which gives his owners about 2 - 3 more yrs of service. When you watch him on TV it looks like he isn't producing but his end of the yr stats are always decent for a low RB1 / high RB2. Hes one of the few bellcows out there and Shonn Greene is not good at all, take it from a Jets fan. Tenn has improved their o-line so he should have a little more wiggle room, also his desire to not get hit keeps him from injury; a good buy for a team trying to make a championship push. I just purchased CJ in a league where I got Peterson as well so I can run those horse to the championship in the next 2 yrs.gave Pick 4.06;Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.10; Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick ;Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick;Year 2014 Round 3 Draft ;Year 2015 Round 3 Draft Pick

for Johnson, Chris TEN RB;Willis, Patrick SFO LB

Depending on how you view Willis' value I say PW is worth the 4s / the 2nd / a 3rd and the CJ is worth a 1st and the other 3rd, not too bad.

 

[Instinctive]

In a 12 team, start-1 QB league that is a GREAT job selling Wilson, unless he's in your top-3 or you're IamtheScientist.

Awesome.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Team S gave up:

Mendenhall, Rashard ARI RB

Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.11

Team T gave up:

Wright, Kendall TEN WR

Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.12

 

[KellysHeroes]

Team S gave up:Mendenhall, Rashard ARI RBYear 2013 Draft Pick 2.11Team T gave up:Wright, Kendall TEN WRYear 2013 Draft Pick 1.12

hope ur team S

 

[I was in the pool]

Team S gave up:Mendenhall, Rashard ARI RBYear 2013 Draft Pick 2.11Team T gave up:Wright, Kendall TEN WRYear 2013 Draft Pick 1.12

I would think the picks should be reversed

 

[LBH]

Team S gave up:Mendenhall, Rashard ARI RBYear 2013 Draft Pick 2.11Team T gave up:Wright, Kendall TEN WRYear 2013 Draft Pick 1.12

hope ur team S

He is team S. Great deal for him IMO

 

[matttyl]

Team A gave Reggie Bush

Team B gave Vincent Jackson

both teams had a need at the position they acquired.

 

[Concept Coop]

Team A gave Reggie BushTeam B gave Vincent Jacksonboth teams had a need at the position they acquired.

A lot depends on league setup. But not a bad trade, either way. I like Jackson in a vacuum.

 

[Concept Coop]

Team S gave up:Mendenhall, Rashard ARI RBYear 2013 Draft Pick 2.11Team T gave up:Wright, Kendall TEN WRYear 2013 Draft Pick 1.12

You got the two best parts in a deal consisting of only 4 parts. Well done.

 

[matttyl]

Team A gave Reggie BushTeam B gave Vincent Jacksonboth teams had a need at the position they acquired.

A lot depends on league setup. But not a bad trade, either way. I like Jackson in a vacuum.

10 team, start 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 flex. Not a PPR, but a "bonus" of 2 points at each of 5 receptions, 8 receptions, and 10 receptions in a game.

 

[Bamac]

Team A gave Reggie BushTeam B gave Vincent Jacksonboth teams had a need at the position they acquired.

A lot depends on league setup. But not a bad trade, either way. I like Jackson in a vacuum.

10 team, start 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 flex. Not a PPR, but a "bonus" of 2 points at each of 5 receptions, 8 receptions, and 10 receptions in a game.

Let me guess: when this league formed, you were using USA Today to score games. I play in one of those.

 

[squistion]

Team S gave up:Mendenhall, Rashard ARI RBYear 2013 Draft Pick 2.11Team T gave up:Wright, Kendall TEN WRYear 2013 Draft Pick 1.12

You got the two best parts in a deal consisting of only 4 parts. Well done.

Was Team T EBF?

 

[beef]

Team S gave up:Mendenhall, Rashard ARI RBYear 2013 Draft Pick 2.11Team T gave up:Wright, Kendall TEN WRYear 2013 Draft Pick 1.12

You got the two best parts in a deal consisting of only 4 parts. Well done.

 

[dewmass]

Not one that most will think I did well in, but 12 team non PPR and start 2 RB/2 WR/TE/2 Flex but maximum 3 of each which pretty much means start 3 RB.

Gave. D.Thomas/R.Bush

Got. R.Rice/S.Hill

 

[moderated]

Team S gave up:Mendenhall, Rashard ARI RBYear 2013 Draft Pick 2.11Team T gave up:Wright, Kendall TEN WRYear 2013 Draft Pick 1.12

WTF

 

[Bamac]

Not one that most will think I did well in, but 12 team non PPR and start 2 RB/2 WR/TE/2 Flex but maximum 3 of each which pretty much means start 3 RB. Gave. D.Thomas/R.BushGot. R.Rice/S.Hill

In that format, I don't *hate* the deal, though I stil think the value is against you. You're deep at WR/TE, I hope.

 

[dewmass]

Not one that most will think I did well in, but 12 team non PPR and start 2 RB/2 WR/TE/2 Flex but maximum 3 of each which pretty much means start 3 RB. Gave. D.Thomas/R.BushGot. R.Rice/S.Hill

In that format, I don't *hate* the deal, though I stil think the value is against you. You're deep at WR/TE, I hope.

Yes, it's a pretty stacked team I have there. Gronk at TE and now Dez, Harvin and Blackmon at WR so could afford the overpay I think.

 

[cstu]

Not one that most will think I did well in, but 12 team non PPR and start 2 RB/2 WR/TE/2 Flex but maximum 3 of each which pretty much means start 3 RB. Gave. D.Thomas/R.BushGot. R.Rice/S.Hill

In that format, I don't *hate* the deal, though I stil think the value is against you. You're deep at WR/TE, I hope.

Yes, it's a pretty stacked team I have there. Gronk at TE and now Dez, Harvin and Blackmon at WR so could afford the overpay I think.

Makes sense with your roster requirements.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

12 team, 1/2 ppr for WR/TE only. Start 1/2/3/1 + flex. 4 year max contracts.

Gave Wes Welker (3 yrs), Chris Givens (4 yrs), pick 2.10

Received Dez Bryant (1 yr)

Context: Have AJ Green (3yr), B.Marshall (3 yr), then S.Johnson and Josh Gordon as backups. I liked adding Dez as a potentially big upgrade over Welker. Though Welker has a 3 yr contract, I view him as a 2 yr asset. I like Givens, but see him as more of a WR2 upside guy.

I have a decent chance at landing a WR1 in our restricted free agency in May, and if I do not, I will very likely be able to keep Dez next year for an additional 4 years. There is a pretty good shot that I'll both add a WR1 and keep Dez next year.

ETA: I thought I posted a previous trade a month ago, but I did not. Back then I had Dez; I traded Dez, Bowe (3 yr) and AJ Jenkins for AJ Green (3 yr). Dez got traded to a third team, then back to the second team, then back to me. Strangely, AJ Green has been on 4 teams this offseason.

 

[matttyl]

Team A gave Reggie BushTeam B gave Vincent Jacksonboth teams had a need at the position they acquired.

A lot depends on league setup. But not a bad trade, either way. I like Jackson in a vacuum.

10 team, start 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 flex. Not a PPR, but a "bonus" of 2 points at each of 5 receptions, 8 receptions, and 10 receptions in a game.

Let me guess: when this league formed, you were using USA Today to score games. I play in one of those.

First year was Yahoo, but I think that was 12 or so years ago now. It's a long standing league, but not as old as some I've heard of.

 

[SieteCinco]

Big business going down in our league today:

Team A - 3.08

Team B - Darrius Heyward-Bey

 

[bkdphi]

12 Team PPR , Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 Flex

Team A gave up Kaepernick, Colin SFO QB;Charles, Jamaal KCC RB;Colston, Marques NOS WR;Bennett, Martellus CHI TE; 2.11; Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick

Team B gave up Bradford, Sam STL QB;Nelson, Jordy GBP WR;Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE

 

[KellysHeroes]

12 Team PPR , Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 FlexTeam A gave up Kaepernick, Colin SFO QB;Charles, Jamaal KCC RB;Colston, Marques NOS WR;Bennett, Martellus CHI TE; 2.11; Year 2014 Round 1 Draft PickTeam B gave up Bradford, Sam STL QB;Nelson, Jordy GBP WR;Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE

thats a lot for the Gronk

 

[Skeletore Eh]

12 Team PPR , Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 FlexTeam A gave up Kaepernick, Colin SFO QB;Charles, Jamaal KCC RB;Colston, Marques NOS WR;Bennett, Martellus CHI TE; 2.11; Year 2014 Round 1 Draft PickTeam B gave up Bradford, Sam STL QB;Nelson, Jordy GBP WR;Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE

thats a lot for the Gronk

Nelson isn't just a throw in I guess he still doesn't get any respect

 

[Instinctive]

12 Team PPR , Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 FlexTeam A gave up Kaepernick, Colin SFO QB;Charles, Jamaal KCC RB;Colston, Marques NOS WR;Bennett, Martellus CHI TE; 2.11; Year 2014 Round 1 Draft PickTeam B gave up Bradford, Sam STL QB;Nelson, Jordy GBP WR;Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE

thats a lot for the Gronk

Nelson isn't just a throw in I guess he still doesn't get any respect

Agreed. I was thinking he got two of the best three or four players, depending on how you view Charles and Kaep. (personally I go Gronk-Charles-Nelson-Kaep)

 

[Bamac]

12 Team PPR , Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 FlexTeam A gave up Kaepernick, Colin SFO QB;Charles, Jamaal KCC RB;Colston, Marques NOS WR;Bennett, Martellus CHI TE; 2.11; Year 2014 Round 1 Draft PickTeam B gave up Bradford, Sam STL QB;Nelson, Jordy GBP WR;Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE

thats a lot for the Gronk

Nelson isn't just a throw in I guess he still doesn't get any respect

That's a lot for Gronk and Jordy.

 

[bkdphi]

12 Team PPR , Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 FlexTeam A gave up Kaepernick, Colin SFO QB;Charles, Jamaal KCC RB;Colston, Marques NOS WR;Bennett, Martellus CHI TE; 2.11; Year 2014 Round 1 Draft PickTeam B gave up Bradford, Sam STL QB;Nelson, Jordy GBP WR;Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE

thats a lot for the Gronk

Had Cam Newton as my other QB so Kaep was expendable. Swapping out Colston for Nelson is a plus for me; I get a younger and arguably a better player. Losing Charles though did sting, but I have T.Rich, CJ2k and Alfred Morris as my other RB's.

 

[JustinHawkins]

Big trade went down in my 12 team PPR dynasty league today. Seems one team wins now for sure, but can see the other side too. Going from 28 to 21 is pretty big for RB's in dynasty.

Team A got: Foster, AP, Harvin, 1st in 2014 (should be very late pick)

Team B got: Trent Richardson, Charles, 1.5

 

[Banemorth]

Big trade went down in my 12 team PPR dynasty league today. Seems one team wins now for sure, but can see the other side too. Going from 28 to 21 is pretty big for RB's in dynasty.Team A got: Foster, AP, Harvin, 1st in 2014 (should be very late pick)Team B got: Trent Richardson, Charles, 1.5

Team A wins this in every way shape and form. I can't see any possible justification for this deal. Foster and Trent are pretty equal. AP is over Charles by a country mile. Harvin and a 2014 1st for the 1.5?

 

[Banemorth]

I'm not involved. 16 Team full IDP PPR

Team A Gives:

Wallace, Mike MIA WR;

Gresham, Jermaine CIN TE;

Berry, Eric KCC S;

Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.05

Team B Gives:

Blount, LeGarrette TBB RB;

Martin, Doug TBB RB;

Gates, Antonio SDC TE

Dougie is Dougie but you only need to start 1RB in this league. (Very flexible lineups.) That said I've got nearly zero value in Blount and Gates. Give me team B's side all day every day.

 

[I was in the pool]

Big trade went down in my 12 team PPR dynasty league today. Seems one team wins now for sure, but can see the other side too. Going from 28 to 21 is pretty big for RB's in dynasty.Team A got: Foster, AP, Harvin, 1st in 2014 (should be very late pick)Team B got: Trent Richardson, Charles, 1.5

Team A wins this in every way shape and form. I can't see any possible justification for this deal. Foster and Trent are pretty equal. AP is over Charles by a country mile. Harvin and a 2014 1st for the 1.5?

Foster and Trent equal?AP over Charles by a mile?I would love to hear you unpack those without using references to past production that you don't get credit for....

 

[JustinHawkins]

Big trade went down in my 12 team PPR dynasty league today. Seems one team wins now for sure, but can see the other side too. Going from 28 to 21 is pretty big for RB's in dynasty.Team A got: Foster, AP, Harvin, 1st in 2014 (should be very late pick)Team B got: Trent Richardson, Charles, 1.5

Team A wins this in every way shape and form. I can't see any possible justification for this deal. Foster and Trent are pretty equal. AP is over Charles by a country mile. Harvin and a 2014 1st for the 1.5?

Ricahrdson is going over Foster and AP in every startup I've seen. I'll take the 21 year old RB who will be forced fed, and is involved in the passing game over a stud RB who is 28, with a ton of wear and tear, as well as another good back who has a very talented Tate becoming more involved in the offense. I'll give you Charles is somewhat an unknown as to how good he might be, but getting Reid only helps his value IMO. So I see a slam dunk for the RB swap for team B. But I see a huge slam dunk for team A getting Harvin and a late 1st for 1.5.

 

[JustinHawkins]

Foster and Trent equal?AP over Charles by a mile?I would love to hear you unpack those without using references to past production that you don't get credit for....

I think now is the time to move both AP and Foster. When AP is 29 next offseason, think anyone is going to be buying at a premium? And IF (and I know its a big if) Tate becomes a factor in the offense this year as his coach has said, I'd say Foster's value only declines more. Age is big in dynasty with RBs. Gotta find that perfect time to cash in before the value starts to fall...

 

[Banemorth]

Foster and Trent equal?AP over Charles by a mile?I would love to hear you unpack those without using references to past production that you don't get credit for....

I think now is the time to move both AP and Foster. When AP is 29 next offseason, think anyone is going to be buying at a premium? And IF (and I know its a big if) Tate becomes a factor in the offense this year as his coach has said, I'd say Foster's value only declines more. Age is big in dynasty with RBs. Gotta find that perfect time to cash in before the value starts to fall...

I don't disagree with your guy's sentiment here but, in my mind, if you own AP, Harvin, and Foster you should be ready to gear up for a title run. Not "sell high" trying to maximize current value.

 

[I was in the pool]

Foster and Trent equal?AP over Charles by a mile?I would love to hear you unpack those without using references to past production that you don't get credit for....

I think now is the time to move both AP and Foster. When AP is 29 next offseason, think anyone is going to be buying at a premium? And IF (and I know its a big if) Tate becomes a factor in the offense this year as his coach has said, I'd say Foster's value only declines more. Age is big in dynasty with RBs. Gotta find that perfect time to cash in before the value starts to fall...

I don't disagree with your guy's sentiment here but, in my mind, if you own AP, Harvin, and Foster you should be ready to gear up for a title run. Not "sell high" trying to maximize current value.

Because TRich and Charles can't win a title this year?

 

[JustinHawkins]

Great point, but I think team B is a serious contender after the trade regardless. He'll start

Rodgers

Richardson, Charles, Morris

Cruz, Cobb, Fitz

Gonzo

One of the top 2 or 3 teams for sure IMO.

I think both teams actually did well. Team A got more total talent, best value this year for sure. Team B had the horses to make a move that keeps him from the drop off that is coming sooner than later for AP, and to a lesser degree, Foster.

 

[Banemorth]

Foster and Trent equal?AP over Charles by a mile?I would love to hear you unpack those without using references to past production that you don't get credit for....

I think now is the time to move both AP and Foster. When AP is 29 next offseason, think anyone is going to be buying at a premium? And IF (and I know its a big if) Tate becomes a factor in the offense this year as his coach has said, I'd say Foster's value only declines more. Age is big in dynasty with RBs. Gotta find that perfect time to cash in before the value starts to fall...

I don't disagree with your guy's sentiment here but, in my mind, if you own AP, Harvin, and Foster you should be ready to gear up for a title run. Not "sell high" trying to maximize current value.

Because TRich and Charles can't win a title this year?

If you're asking me if I think T-Rich and Charles will outscore ADP, Foster and Harvin. No, I don't.

 

[Banemorth]

Great point, but I think team B is a serious contender after the trade regardless. He'll startRodgersRichardson, Charles, MorrisCruz, Cobb, FitzGonzoOne of the top 2 or 3 teams for sure IMO.I think both teams actually did well. Team A got more total talent, best value this year for sure. Team B had the horses to make a move that keeps him from the drop off that is coming sooner than later for AP, and to a lesser degree, Foster.

See I would have rather started:RodgersADP, Foster, MorrisCruz, Cobb, HarvinGonzoI think I'd feel better about it if he had managed to trade Fitz instead of Harvin.

 

[Banemorth]

This is what makes fantasy fun. Everyone has different values.

 

[Bamac]

If you're asking me if I think T-Rich and Charles will outscore ADP, Foster and Harvin. No, I don't.

But will T-Rich, Charles, and Fitz outscore AP, Foster, and Harvin? Much closer call. Owner will contend this year and for years to come -- though I agree that market value favors the old guys and Harvin.

 

[Deuceman]

This is what makes fantasy fun. Everyone has different values.

I disagree. Consistently inconsistent value makes it hard to make deal. This thread is a great example. Also most people overvalue their players.

 

[joey]

This is what makes fantasy fun. Everyone has different values.

I disagree. Consistently inconsistent value makes it hard to make deal. This thread is a great example. Also most people overvalue their players.

That's why, even though this thread is interesting and all, the only "value" that matters is what someone IN YOUR LEAGUE will pay for a player. So much of that will depend on league format, starting requirements and, most importantly, the exact rosters of the teams involved.That said, I check in on this thread every single day, mostly cuz it has the word "dynasty" in the subject and, quite honestly, I'm addicted.

 

[thriftyrocker]

12tm ppr

Decker

2.4

2.9

for

KWright

Bryce Brown

2.6

4.5

 

[KellysHeroes]

12 Team PPR , Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 FlexTeam A gave up Kaepernick, Colin SFO QB;Charles, Jamaal KCC RB;Colston, Marques NOS WR;Bennett, Martellus CHI TE; 2.11; Year 2014 Round 1 Draft PickTeam B gave up Bradford, Sam STL QB;Nelson, Jordy GBP WR;Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE

thats a lot for the Gronk

Nelson isn't just a throw in I guess he still doesn't get any respect

That's a lot for Gronk and Jordy.

Nelson a nice addition but hes only had 1 good yr, solid depth player

 

[KellysHeroes]

Foster and Trent equal?

AP over Charles by a mile?

I would love to hear you unpack those without using references to past production that you don't get credit for....

I think now is the time to move both AP and Foster. When AP is 29 next offseason, think anyone is going to be buying at a premium? And IF (and I know its a big if) Tate becomes a factor in the offense this year as his coach has said, I'd say Foster's value only declines more.

Age is big in dynasty with RBs. Gotta find that perfect time to cash in before the value starts to fall...

couldn't disagree more, this is the worst time to attempt to move a stud like ADP. This is the time of yr that everybody is worried about a players' age and how many yrs they have left instead of concentrating on the advantage that stud will give them in the next season or two or even three. I have a different theory, I see what I can get for good players when they are entering their prime and then a couple of yrs later I attempt to buy them at a much reduced cost in their twilight yrs and run them into the ground.This is a good time to acquire on the price of a player like ADP.

PS I love this team for Team A

Harvin and Charles are about equal, I actually like Harvin more. So A gets Foster / Peterson and a 1st!! for Richardson and 1.05. Thats pretty good

 

[JustinHawkins]

I have a different theory, I see what I can get for good players when they are entering their prime and then a couple of yrs later I attempt to buy them at a much reduced cost in their twilight yrs and run them into the ground.This is a good time to acquire on the price of a player like ADP.

I just can't fathom having that theory in dynasty, especially at the RB position. The absolute worst thing you can do is hold a player until he's worthless, and eventually becomes a drop. I learned this hard lesson with Clinton Portis several years ago. He could have been traded for a mint coming into the 2009 season. Instead I held him, and in 1 year he went from stud to dud. The signs were there, a TON of carries and mileage and he was turning 28 that season (just like AP this year). To me holding and planning on aging RBs to still produce late in their careers is a bad investment IMO. Its like Homer Simpson selling his pumpkin futures after Halloween.

 

[squistion]

I have a different theory, I see what I can get for good players when they are entering their prime and then a couple of yrs later I attempt to buy them at a much reduced cost in their twilight yrs and run them into the ground.

This is a good time to acquire on the price of a player like ADP.

I just can't fathom having that theory in dynasty, especially at the RB position. The absolute worst thing you can do is hold a player until he's worthless, and eventually becomes a drop. I learned this hard lesson with Clinton Portis several years ago. He could have been traded for a mint coming into the 2009 season. Instead I held him, and in 1 year he went from stud to dud. The signs were there, a TON of carries and mileage and he was turning 28 that season (just like AP this year). To me holding and planning on aging RBs to still produce late in their careers is a bad investment IMO. Its like Homer Simpson selling his pumpkin futures after Halloween.

No, not the absolute worst thing. In some instances, depending on your league, when a RB gets to a certain age you can't move him without giving him away - in that type of situation it is better to hold until he does become worthless and a drop. These aging players occasionally can offer the essential depth you may need for a playoff run. I have used this strategy in one league since it started in 2003 and over that period I have turned a profit, while teams who drop their RBs like a hot potato when they reach a certain age have not done as well. I don't recommend it for everyone, but it is a strategy that has proven to work in my case in that particular league.

 

[dewmass]

Big business going down in our league today:Team A - 3.08Team B - Darrius Heyward-Bey

Did a very similar trade myself last week getting him for 3.07. Think it's a decent move, as discussed in the DHB thread, the two likely destinations of Colts or Lions are nice spots and I think he'll have a decent season.

 

[JustinHawkins]

hard to imagine any former Raiders WR going to a new team and NOT having better prospects

 

[Cleat Spike]

12 Team PPR , Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 FlexTeam A gave up Kaepernick, Colin SFO QB;Charles, Jamaal KCC RB;Colston, Marques NOS WR;Bennett, Martellus CHI TE; 2.11; Year 2014 Round 1 Draft PickTeam B gave up Bradford, Sam STL QB;Nelson, Jordy GBP WR;Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE

thats a lot for the Gronk

Had Cam Newton as my other QB so Kaep was expendable. Swapping out Colston for Nelson is a plus for me; I get a younger and arguably a better player. Losing Charles though did sting, but I have T.Rich, CJ2k and Alfred Morris as my other RB's.

Descent trade Prime! You got 2 good pieces that will make your starting team better this season. The X-factor TE in the league and Nelson will surely have a better season than last. My hope was landing Charles weakens your team (if CJ1K fizzles out, reducing you to only 2 RBs and giving me another great RB asset to work with - Murray, Gore, Charles) and maybe Kaep takes the jump and gives me a QB, which I didn't have (Bradford, Rivers, Henne, Alex Smith). The Reid factor in KC should have Charles increase his production too. Already had James Jones, so diversifying a bit there I guess, losing Nelson hurts. I'll take the chance at TE with Bennett and Delanie Walker, grab a late 2nd and your 1st next year. Hope for the best, but good one though.