You're my boy, blue!!16-team IDP: 20 starters, 1 QB, 0-3 RB, 0-5 WR, 1-3 TE, PK, 1-3 DT, 2 DE, 1-4 LB, 2-3 CB, 1-3 S
1.06 - Bishop Sankey (RB - TEN) -- I think this was nothing short of highway robbery, even with the starting requirements
1.11 - Marqise Lee (WR - JAC) -- Right where he should be going and feel OK about the pick
2.01 - JaDaveon Clowney (LB - HOU) - Total reach but I think he can put up LB2 numbers given our scoring system
2.10 - Johnny Manziel (QB - CLE) - I think he fell, had no project/taxi squad QB
2.15 - Aaron Donald (DT - STL) - Will be HUGE in this league's scoring system
3.06 - Christian Kirksey (LB - CLE) - I'm set at LB but thought this was a solid grab
3.14 - Charles Sims (RB - TBB) - Higher than most on this guy but think he has a solid opportunity. Not sold on Martin.
4.10 - C.J. Fiedorowicz (TE - HOU) - Missed on the "big" TEs. I like him in the HOU offense.
5.16 - Bradley Roby (CB - DEN) - Should start opposite Talib, which means a crapload of chances
He lacks "elite" speed, but I think that may be overrated. He's fast enough.You're my boy, blue!!16-team IDP: 20 starters, 1 QB, 0-3 RB, 0-5 WR, 1-3 TE, PK, 1-3 DT, 2 DE, 1-4 LB, 2-3 CB, 1-3 S
1.06 - Bishop Sankey (RB - TEN) -- I think this was nothing short of highway robbery, even with the starting requirements
1.11 - Marqise Lee (WR - JAC) -- Right where he should be going and feel OK about the pick
2.01 - JaDaveon Clowney (LB - HOU) - Total reach but I think he can put up LB2 numbers given our scoring system
2.10 - Johnny Manziel (QB - CLE) - I think he fell, had no project/taxi squad QB
2.15 - Aaron Donald (DT - STL) - Will be HUGE in this league's scoring system
3.06 - Christian Kirksey (LB - CLE) - I'm set at LB but thought this was a solid grab
3.14 - Charles Sims (RB - TBB) - Higher than most on this guy but think he has a solid opportunity. Not sold on Martin.
4.10 - C.J. Fiedorowicz (TE - HOU) - Missed on the "big" TEs. I like him in the HOU offense.
5.16 - Bradley Roby (CB - DEN) - Should start opposite Talib, which means a crapload of chances
So D - is Sankey a "can't miss" in your eyes? I really want him but I'm not completely sold on him to justify an early enough pick. I'll trust your intuition if you say so.
When I watch him on tape, I like very much what I see. From the tape alone, he appears (to me) to be the best RB in the class. I'm not sure I see his lower body power (broad jump) translate to power when I watch him on tape and that concerns me a little. He also seems to be Ray Rice but not as fast. It's nit picky I know, but those are some of the reasons I'm hesitant.He lacks "elite" speed, but I think that may be overrated. He's fast enough.You're my boy, blue!!16-team IDP: 20 starters, 1 QB, 0-3 RB, 0-5 WR, 1-3 TE, PK, 1-3 DT, 2 DE, 1-4 LB, 2-3 CB, 1-3 S
1.06 - Bishop Sankey (RB - TEN) -- I think this was nothing short of highway robbery, even with the starting requirements
1.11 - Marqise Lee (WR - JAC) -- Right where he should be going and feel OK about the pick
2.01 - JaDaveon Clowney (LB - HOU) - Total reach but I think he can put up LB2 numbers given our scoring system
2.10 - Johnny Manziel (QB - CLE) - I think he fell, had no project/taxi squad QB
2.15 - Aaron Donald (DT - STL) - Will be HUGE in this league's scoring system
3.06 - Christian Kirksey (LB - CLE) - I'm set at LB but thought this was a solid grab
3.14 - Charles Sims (RB - TBB) - Higher than most on this guy but think he has a solid opportunity. Not sold on Martin.
4.10 - C.J. Fiedorowicz (TE - HOU) - Missed on the "big" TEs. I like him in the HOU offense.
5.16 - Bradley Roby (CB - DEN) - Should start opposite Talib, which means a crapload of chances
So D - is Sankey a "can't miss" in your eyes? I really want him but I'm not completely sold on him to justify an early enough pick. I'll trust your intuition if you say so.
The guy just does everything very well, including pass protection and catching the ball out of the backfield. Runs on the inside and can cut to the edge.
Well conditioned and durable. Great vision and shows good burst when needed.
I saw a special (can't remember if it was NFLN or ESPN) that followed him and 4 other draft prospects (including Marqise Lee, Clowney, Bortles and a small school kid) and I was blown away. The kid has a great head on his shoulders, comes from a solid family (pops was an USAF sargeant) and the kid appears to just "get it".
I know there's another FBG'er here that has been slobbering over him for months now. I'm on the bandwagon. I think he's the real deal.
I don't see much Ray Rice in him at all. Some doubt his ability to be a bellcow back but I honestly don't see why he couldn't be given his ability to run inside and out and pass protect. I'm not saying he'll carry the ball 25 times a game for his entire career but I think he has RB1 talent/opportunity.When I watch him on tape, I like very much what I see. From the tape alone, he appears (to me) to be the best RB in the class. I'm not sure I see his lower body power (broad jump) translate to power when I watch him on tape and that concerns me a little. He also seems to be Ray Rice but not as fast. It's nit picky I know, but those are some of the reasons I'm hesitant.He lacks "elite" speed, but I think that may be overrated. He's fast enough.You're my boy, blue!!16-team IDP: 20 starters, 1 QB, 0-3 RB, 0-5 WR, 1-3 TE, PK, 1-3 DT, 2 DE, 1-4 LB, 2-3 CB, 1-3 S
1.06 - Bishop Sankey (RB - TEN) -- I think this was nothing short of highway robbery, even with the starting requirements
1.11 - Marqise Lee (WR - JAC) -- Right where he should be going and feel OK about the pick
2.01 - JaDaveon Clowney (LB - HOU) - Total reach but I think he can put up LB2 numbers given our scoring system
2.10 - Johnny Manziel (QB - CLE) - I think he fell, had no project/taxi squad QB
2.15 - Aaron Donald (DT - STL) - Will be HUGE in this league's scoring system
3.06 - Christian Kirksey (LB - CLE) - I'm set at LB but thought this was a solid grab
3.14 - Charles Sims (RB - TBB) - Higher than most on this guy but think he has a solid opportunity. Not sold on Martin.
4.10 - C.J. Fiedorowicz (TE - HOU) - Missed on the "big" TEs. I like him in the HOU offense.
5.16 - Bradley Roby (CB - DEN) - Should start opposite Talib, which means a crapload of chances
So D - is Sankey a "can't miss" in your eyes? I really want him but I'm not completely sold on him to justify an early enough pick. I'll trust your intuition if you say so.
The guy just does everything very well, including pass protection and catching the ball out of the backfield. Runs on the inside and can cut to the edge.
Well conditioned and durable. Great vision and shows good burst when needed.
I saw a special (can't remember if it was NFLN or ESPN) that followed him and 4 other draft prospects (including Marqise Lee, Clowney, Bortles and a small school kid) and I was blown away. The kid has a great head on his shoulders, comes from a solid family (pops was an USAF sargeant) and the kid appears to just "get it".
I know there's another FBG'er here that has been slobbering over him for months now. I'm on the bandwagon. I think he's the real deal.
Appreciate the input
and the OP doesn't even post his own . The creeperNothing against the OP and we have this thread every year, but to me, when you say "show off your new toys" and the toys refer to grown men, isn't it just a little bit creepy?
I'm intrigued by how far Richardson was falling in more or less all your drafts... I want to target him but I'm in a huge debate with myself if he'll fall to the 3rd round in my 14 team IDP PPR leagues. Were any of the leagues above IDP? Or was he falling to the late 2nd and early 3rd in just standard rosters? Cause that'd make me feel a lot more comfortable passing on him in the early 2nd.I've had more than this, but here are my drafts in leagues where I have a number of picks...
12 Team PPR
1.01 - Sammy Watkins
2.01 - Allen Robinson
2.04 - Donte Moncrief
3.03 - Teddy Bridgewater
3.05 - Paul Richardson
12 Team PPR
1.06 - Jordan Mathews
1.10 - Kelvin Benjamin
1.13 (bonus for winning toilet bowl) - Allen Robinson
2.03 - Donte Moncrief
3.03 - Storm Johnson
3.04 - Paul Richardson
4.03 - Derek Carr
4.04 - Jared Abbrederis
12 Team PPR (devy league - already have Watkins and Bridgewater)
1.08 - Kelvin Benjamin
1.12 - Allen Robinson
2.10 - Paul Richardson
12 Team PPR
2.04 - Kelvin Benjamin
2.11 - Devonta Freeman
2.12 - Kadeem Carey
4.02 - Jared Abbrederis
4.08 - Josh Huff
It's not hard to spot the trends. I went into the draft season expecting to pick up Robinson, Moncrief, Richardson, and Abbrederis. Benjamin was one of those things that just kind of happened, as he kept being available at spots where I liked him better than the other options. When I drafted him at 1.10 it was actually an error in my pre-draft, but I got lucky when I was able to draft up to get Allen Robinson (who I had ahead of him) anyway.
Working on this now actually, I'll edit this post when I'm done with the results.Somebody should collect the names and number of posts and see who we all seem to be drafting. I'm sure there have to be a few Shark Pool favorites.
Excellent news! Thanks!Khy said:Working on this now actually, I'll edit this post when I'm done with the results.Chimp Magnet said:Somebody should collect the names and number of posts and see who we all seem to be drafting. I'm sure there have to be a few Shark Pool favorites.
Khy said:Working on this now actually, I'll edit this post when I'm done with the results.Chimp Magnet said:Somebody should collect the names and number of posts and see who we all seem to be drafting. I'm sure there have to be a few Shark Pool favorites.
EDIT: Here's the spreadsheet sorted by most picks... figured it'd be easiest viewed in a public google doc. If you notice any errors in team, position, spelling or counts let me know. I'll try to keep this updated as much as possible. I did not include any IDPs as there were only like 2 posts w/ IDP players in them. So I figured I'd separate them out.
Last Updated: Friday - 5/23/2014 - 10:26AM EST
Yeah, I'm a fan for sure. But I keep seeing him going higher and higher in drafts. I like him at a 2nd round value. But not 1st round.Khy said:Working on this now actually, I'll edit this post when I'm done with the results.Chimp Magnet said:Somebody should collect the names and number of posts and see who we all seem to be drafting. I'm sure there have to be a few Shark Pool favorites.
EDIT: Here's the spreadsheet sorted by most picks... figured it'd be easiest viewed in a public google doc. If you notice any errors in team, position, spelling or counts let me know. I'll try to keep this updated as much as possible. I did not include any IDPs as there were only like 2 posts w/ IDP players in them. So I figured I'd separate them out.
Last Updated: Friday - 5/23/2014 - 10:26AM EST
People love Robinson and they should.
Why not?Yeah, I'm a fan for sure. But I keep seeing him going higher and higher in drafts. I like him at a 2nd round value. But not 1st round.Khy said:Working on this now actually, I'll edit this post when I'm done with the results.Chimp Magnet said:Somebody should collect the names and number of posts and see who we all seem to be drafting. I'm sure there have to be a few Shark Pool favorites.
EDIT: Here's the spreadsheet sorted by most picks... figured it'd be easiest viewed in a public google doc. If you notice any errors in team, position, spelling or counts let me know. I'll try to keep this updated as much as possible. I did not include any IDPs as there were only like 2 posts w/ IDP players in them. So I figured I'd separate them out.
Last Updated: Friday - 5/23/2014 - 10:26AM EST
People love Robinson and they should.
Sure, so is Jerick McKinnon, Paul Richardson, Isaiah Crowell and Ka'Deem Carey's values. Still won't be taking them that early cause there's just so many question marks. A lot of guys flash first round potential, but I like my first rounder to be as 'sure thing' as can be. Example, look at the people who were drafting Marcus Lattimore last season at the mid-late 1st round. Now they're kicking themselves for throwing away a pick when they could've had someone like Keenan Allen at that pick instead had they just went with a safer situational and talent option.Why not?Yeah, I'm a fan for sure. But I keep seeing him going higher and higher in drafts. I like him at a 2nd round value. But not 1st round.Khy said:Working on this now actually, I'll edit this post when I'm done with the results.Chimp Magnet said:Somebody should collect the names and number of posts and see who we all seem to be drafting. I'm sure there have to be a few Shark Pool favorites.
EDIT: Here's the spreadsheet sorted by most picks... figured it'd be easiest viewed in a public google doc. If you notice any errors in team, position, spelling or counts let me know. I'll try to keep this updated as much as possible. I did not include any IDPs as there were only like 2 posts w/ IDP players in them. So I figured I'd separate them out.
Last Updated: Friday - 5/23/2014 - 10:26AM EST
People love Robinson and they should.
With the team Jacksonville is building in a year or two that could be an offense that can score. He has the talent and a new QB who could be really good.
His upside is first round level.
I wasn't saying it was fair or not simply saying "but he has 1st round talent" isn't really a good argument for drafting someone in the first round. Almost every time I hear that argument with a guy that literally has question marks falling out of every facet of his game? They rarely pan out. Again, I actually like Robinson and he's high on my board, but I'm not looking at him until like pick 14 or later. And in a 12 team league that's 2nd round. I'd rather pick Adams, Benjamin, Matthews, DeVonta Freeman, Ka'Deem Carey, Martavis Bryant types over him because I feel like they are in better all around situations.You're comparing Robinson to McKinnon (late 3rd), Crowell (UDFA), and Carey (4th round with 4.7 speed). I think that's a bit harsh. Based on where they were picked in the draft, Lee, Matthews, Adams, Latimer, Richardson, Landry, and Robinson all have a pretty good shout for going in the late 1st of a PPR draft. The FF community doesn't like Landry or Richardson much and that's reflected in their ADP. The rest of the guys come off the board in the mid-late 1st or early 2nd of a typical WR-heavy PPR league and I think it just comes down to personal preference. I don't see any of them as a big reach there.
I don't see any of them as can't-miss prospects either, but I don't think you can expect to get an elite prospect with a late 1st. As long as you don't take any of them in the top half of the 1st, I don't see it as a big reach based on the generic odds of success. At that point all the first round WRs are usually gone anyway (except Benjamin and, right or wrong, he has a Landry/Richardson stigma).
I guess I don't really see Robinson as a guy who has "question marks falling out of every facet of his game." I think the only major knock on him is that he's a little slow. He has production, size, youth, and explosive leaping ability. A lot of the advanced metrics like him a lot.I wasn't saying it was fair or not simply saying "but he has 1st round talent" isn't really a good argument for drafting someone in the first round. Almost every time I hear that argument with a guy that literally has question marks falling out of every facet of his game? They rarely pan out. Again, I actually like Robinson and he's high on my board, but I'm not looking at him until like pick 14 or later. And in a 12 team league that's 2nd round. I'd rather pick Adams, Benjamin, Matthews, DeVonta Freeman, Ka'Deem Carey, Martavis Bryant types over him because I feel like they are in better all around situations.
Sure, I know the odds for RBs drafted in the 2-4 rounds. However, I have a feeling a lot of those percentages are going to start drastically changing in the next 5-10 years if this years NFL draft was anything to go by as a metric. The first RB selected wasn't until over halfway through the 2nd round. Which would mean you're banking on a less than 35% chance that any of these RBs are ever successful. And I think this is going to become a more and more common trend in the next few years. If the trend continues from the past two seasons it stands to reason that eventually you'll be saying '4th round RBs are only FF relevant 30% of the time" in a few years. So I'm personally not that big of a fan of the 'odds' per se.I guess I don't really see Robinson as a guy who has "question marks falling out of every facet of his game." I think the only major knock on him is that he's a little slow. He has production, size, youth, and explosive leaping ability. A lot of the advanced metrics like him a lot.I wasn't saying it was fair or not simply saying "but he has 1st round talent" isn't really a good argument for drafting someone in the first round. Almost every time I hear that argument with a guy that literally has question marks falling out of every facet of his game? They rarely pan out. Again, I actually like Robinson and he's high on my board, but I'm not looking at him until like pick 14 or later. And in a 12 team league that's 2nd round. I'd rather pick Adams, Benjamin, Matthews, DeVonta Freeman, Ka'Deem Carey, Martavis Bryant types over him because I feel like they are in better all around situations.
I'm not really following Keenan Allen as a counterpoint when he was actually a lower NFL draft pick and arguably a riskier prospect on paper. How is it that he's considered a safe prospect when Robinson going higher in the draft to a team with no real established NFL WR1 is a pick of full of question marks? It is also a strange comment to turn around and tout guys like Freeman, Carey, and Bryant. The historical odds of FF relevance for a 4th round NFL draft pick are about 10%. The odds for a 2nd-3rd round NFL draft pick are about 30-35%. If anything, the odds dictate that you grab someone like Lee, Matthews, Adams, or Robinson instead of wasting time with guys who will likely be cut within a couple years. There's a pretty good argument that Robinson is worth Carey, Freeman, and Bryant combined.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion though and I can certainly respect that if it's your personal preference. I don't think the generic odds really favor a comparison of a guy like Robinson to flyer picks like Freeman, Bryant, Lattimore, Carey, and Crowell. I'm not going to say those picks can never work out (look at Zac Stacy last year), but banking on situation > draft position probably isn't going to be an ideal strategy in most cases.
Either that or it was just a one year aberration. I think I may have misspoken when I used "FF relevant" as my criteria. Lots of guys like Julius Jones, Steve Slaton, and A-Train have come along and given a team a shot in the arm for a year. Quite a few of them faded into obscurity in the long run though. I think last year's 2nd round RB group is looking pretty good, but would not be surprised to see Bell or Ball wash out soon.My point being... that the statistics at the RB position are a changing.
Would you be willing to post or send me a link to this Draft?12 team PPR. Q/R/R/W/W/T/F/QB Flex
2.6 Allen Robinson
2.7 Tre Mason
3.6 Andre Williams
4.6 Zach Mettenberger
Just posting here stating I updated this to get a baseline for where to leave off post wise.Working on this now actually, I'll edit this post when I'm done with the results.Somebody should collect the names and number of posts and see who we all seem to be drafting. I'm sure there have to be a few Shark Pool favorites.
EDIT: Here's the spreadsheet sorted by most picks... figured it'd be easiest viewed in a public google doc. If you notice any errors in team, position, spelling or counts let me know. I'll try to keep this updated as much as possible. I did not include any IDPs as there were only like 2 posts w/ IDP players in them. So I figured I'd separate them out.
Last Updated: Friday - 5/25/2014 - 10:32PM EST