crushedspirit
Footballguy
You are talking about signing a guy who might not even play again, never mind just missing 2024.
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*** 2024 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread: Steelers select OT Troy Fautanu (7 Viewers)
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3C's
Footballguy
Yep, he might not play at the start of the season, he might not play this year, he might not play again. Might. They'd have to do their due diligence and if they feel there's a chance sign him to an incentive laden contract. But it's not going to happen now. Could be a few months, could be longer, or not at all. Rosenhaus is smart though, he's not going to let a team get him right now when his value is lowered if there's a chance he makes a full recovery.
steelers1080
Footballguy
He might not play ever again...
I'd be A-ok with giving him a 3-year contract for ok money that just has injury stipulations. Like, if you can't pass a physical by week X the contract voids.
But I bet he wants to get back to full health then prove it and sign a monster contract (if he's able).
steelers1080
Footballguy
I heard speculation by talking heads yesterday that after Harrison and Nabers, that Rome could fall if there's a run on QB, CB, OT, and Pass Rusher. They had him falling to ~20 and it got my hopes up way too high. I know Tomlin talked to him during the combine, but I never thought we'd actually have a chance to take him. I still think he probably goes top 10, but that would be so awesome.
There was also speculation that Aiyuk might be traded for something similar to Sneed, who went for a future 3rd. Imagine if we got Rome in the 1st and Aiyuk for pick 98 (aka Kenny and a 4th for Aiyuk).
There was also speculation that Aiyuk might be traded for something similar to Sneed, who went for a future 3rd. Imagine if we got Rome in the 1st and Aiyuk for pick 98 (aka Kenny and a 4th for Aiyuk).
3C's
Footballguy
I think Aiyuk is all smoke. He's yapping to get more money from the 9ers and will likely get it.
I think that's some bad speculation IMO.
Odunze could fall into the 10'ish area, that's about as low as it would go as you are saying.
Can't imagine Aiyuk not going for something equal to a first. Based on major WR trades the last few years he should net something in the 10-15 range in total value, the wealth of the WR market should push that down a little but not out of round one.
We are not going to be using our WR's a ton anyway and believe or first two picks will be on the OL, at best might grab a WR in round 2 is how I see this going down. Going to be Pickens, a second or third round pick at WR and a bunch of castoffs and honestly that fits the offense. Arthur Smith has not had much at QB to work with and that's a factor but in his 5 seasons as OC or HC he's had 2 seasons of AJB and 2 seasons of Drake London. 117 targets by Drake London is the high mark for usage. AJB getting 7.5 targets a game in 14 games was the most in per game.
The problem is you’d still have Russ and/or Fields throwing to them. I think it would be bad roster building to spend money or high picks on WR until you get someone in there who will be throwing more.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Hoping they go JPJ first round, OT or WR in second.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Just weird that nobody was really at his pro day. Usually they have tomlin and/or the gm or oc at the first round targets, take them to dinner etc.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Based on pro-day visits the pick is one of:
- Mims, OT
- Bowers, TE
- McConkey, WR
- Wiggins, CB
- Arnold, CB
- McKinstry, CB
- Turner, OLB
- Latham, OT
- Random Michigan Player, but doesn't look like a 1st rounder other than McCarthy
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Can they still bring him in for a visit?
steelers1080
Footballguy
They could, but they already met with him twice at the Senior Bowl. Including an "interview at night" which might mean they took him out to dinner. The dinners with GM/Coach are typically the sign, in addition to the pro-day visit.
I wouldn't assume he's off their board if they think they got enough info at the Senior Bowl. With other teams around the Steelers needing center they might just not want to tip their hand.
3C's
Footballguy
Shocking not shocking. https://nfltraderumors.co/steelers-signing-rb-cordarrelle-patterson-to-two-year-deal/
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Saw this in the offing a jillion miles away.
Think that article is wrong about "primary role" though. Can easily see a world were he's gonna cap the FF potential of both Warren/Naj, IMO. Artie will use him heavy in the RZ.
Think that article is wrong about "primary role" though. Can easily see a world were he's gonna cap the FF potential of both Warren/Naj, IMO. Artie will use him heavy in the RZ.
For sure not shocking but with the new kickoff rules might actually be a good signing.
3C's
Footballguy
Yep. He's a Swiss Army knife.
steelcityman
Footballguy
He might have a couple good returns left in him, might not.
Steelers use safeties and 3rd string RBs as their KO returners, so cant get worse.....can it?
Steelers use safeties and 3rd string RBs as their KO returners, so cant get worse.....can it?
massraider
Footballguy
Put him back there with Fields, yo.........
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Can’t Patterson play WR as well?
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Solid move. Returns matter again and we have not had a real kick returner in eons. Also the best RB3 in forever too.
You
Cordarrelle Patterson is 33 years of age and just signed with the steelers does he have anything left in the tank?
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Cordarrelle Patterson, nicknamed “Flash,” is a versatile utility player in American football. Born on March 17, 1991, he is currently 33 years old. Throughout his career, Patterson has played for several teams, including the Minnesota Vikings, Oakland Raiders, New England Patriots, Chicago Bears, Atlanta Falcons, and now the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Here are some highlights from his impressive career:
Cordarrelle Patterson is 33 years of age and just signed with the steelers does he have anything left in the tank?
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Cordarrelle Patterson, nicknamed “Flash,” is a versatile utility player in American football. Born on March 17, 1991, he is currently 33 years old. Throughout his career, Patterson has played for several teams, including the Minnesota Vikings, Oakland Raiders, New England Patriots, Chicago Bears, Atlanta Falcons, and now the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Here are some highlights from his impressive career:
- Super Bowl champion (LIII)
- Four-time First-team All-Pro (2013, 2016, 2019, 2020)
- Three-time Second-team All-Pro (2015, 2018, 2019)
- Four-time Pro Bowl selection (2013, 2016, 2019, 2020)
- Two-time NFL kickoff return yards leader (2019, 2020)
- Holds the NFL record for longest kick return with 109 yards.
- Considered one of the greatest return specialists in NFL history, with nine kickoff return touchdowns (six of which were longer than 100 yards)
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He's in for many red zone plays because he can line up at any position and be a matchup problem. There will most definitely be plays where he's lined out wide, the DB is a thin/light backup starting so their S is cheating to help. He doesn't have to do a darn thing but line up and make the D concerned it's a matchup problem.
He's a great short yardage runner and yeah I think he wrecks value of their time share they already had.
The last couple years in Atlanta, he's done a lot of teaching and working with the young guys. He played TE some this summer to work with Pitts, worked with Bijan, and London.
Idk what's left in the tank. He can explode and have a great play or rock solid grind it out game but he doesn't seem like he can do it for many games or even a few anymore. He's not traditional type of usage from a guy that comes in and steals a role. He's just complimentary. However Tomlin thinks he fits, he'll fit.
Swiss army knife, Walter Payton award type great guy, tutor likes to help young players, loves the dirty work...he's fantastic.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Is he still a thing?
I started to write something. Then went to copilot and realized it had more value than what I was coming up off the top of my head.
You
Pittsburgh Steelers with Russell Wilson, Cordarrelle Patterson and Justin Fields do you see Arthur Smith the Offensive coordinator coming up with a lot of gadget plays?
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Certainly! The Pittsburgh Steelers have assembled an intriguing trio of quarterbacks in Russell Wilson, Cordarrelle Patterson, and Justin Fields. With Arthur Smith as the offensive coordinator, let’s explore the potential for gadget plays:
You
Pittsburgh Steelers with Russell Wilson, Cordarrelle Patterson and Justin Fields do you see Arthur Smith the Offensive coordinator coming up with a lot of gadget plays?
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Certainly! The Pittsburgh Steelers have assembled an intriguing trio of quarterbacks in Russell Wilson, Cordarrelle Patterson, and Justin Fields. With Arthur Smith as the offensive coordinator, let’s explore the potential for gadget plays:
- Cordarrelle Patterson’s Versatility:
- Cordarrelle Patterson, known for his dynamic playmaking abilities, can be a key piece in gadget plays.
- During their time together with the Atlanta Falcons, Patterson thrived under Smith’s system. His versatility as a wide receiver, running back, and return specialist makes him an ideal candidate for creative plays.
- Expect Smith to utilize Patterson’s skills in various ways, including jet sweeps, bubble screens, and reverses. Patterson’s ability to break tackles and accelerate quickly can turn routine plays into big gains.
- Justin Fields’ Mobility:
- Fields, a dual-threat quarterback, adds another dimension to the Steelers’ offense.
- Smith can incorporate read-option plays, where Fields has the option to hand off, keep the ball, or pass. Fields’ speed and agility make him a threat on the ground.
- Look for designed rollouts, bootlegs, and quarterback draws that capitalize on Fields’ athleticism.
- Russell Wilson’s Experience:
- Wilson brings veteran leadership and a deep understanding of the game.
- While not a traditional gadget player, Wilson’s ability to extend plays and improvise can create gadget-like scenarios. Smith may design plays that allow Wilson to use his creativity when the initial play breaks down.
- Play-action passes with Wilson’s threat to run could keep defenses guessing.
- Arthur Smith’s Philosophy:
- Smith’s offensive philosophy emphasizes a strong running game. He achieved success with the Tennessee Titans by featuring a potent rushing attack.
- Expect gadget plays that involve misdirection, pre-snap motion, and unconventional formations. Smith will aim to keep defenses off balance.
- Trick plays, such as flea-flickers or double passes, could be part of Smith’s playbook.
- Patterson’s Impact Beyond the Field:
- Patterson’s reunion with Smith isn’t just about Xs and Os. His experience and adaptability can invigorate the entire offense.
- Whether it’s a direct snap to Patterson, a reverse, or a pass from him, Smith will explore ways to maximize his impact.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Ehhhh....I mean, he used to line up there.
There's a reason he got shifted to the hybrid stuff he did in Atl. Skillet mitts, IIRC. But not like i followed his career that close.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
A better question is, can he still play?
3C's
Footballguy
I was thinking about C the other day. If Herbig is their only option and Herbig couldn't beat out/isn't better than Cole, why not just resign Cole? I know it won't be popular but if he is the better option they should go that route. Kick the can down the road a bit, hopefully draft his replacement on day 1 or 2 next month, give the rookie some time to develop and compete and then let him take over.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Apparently there were a lot of people in camp that thought Herbig was a better center than Cole. Not sure why they never made the move all season.
3C's
Footballguy
Seems to be a running theme with the "staff" that they resist change.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Kind of. He was never a good route runner, just amazing at breaking tackles.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Because for some reason being the better player hasn't mattered recently when it comes to who starts for the Steelers. We all knew that JPJ was playing better than Wallace and Peterson way before he got the start.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
This seems to be true for most teams in all sports.
There are exceptions of course, even on the Steelers, but the reality in professional sports is that a starter has to be pretty terrible or the backup pretty amazing in order for a change to be made in season.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I think they liked Cole as a leader and maybe a better blocker in some instances, but Herbig made less mistakes on the exchange and was solid. So maybe that is why they are not panicking. If a stud was available like dude from Buffalo, they would sign him on the cheap, but otherwise they are grabbing one of the top 4 centers in the draft and will let him compete with Herbig I guess.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
This would be a nice haul:
20. Troy Fautanu - OT Washington
51. Zach Frazier- OC West Virginia
84. Ricky Pearsall- WR Florida
98. Cole Bishop - S Utah
119. Cam Hart -CB Notre Dame
178. Khristian Boyd -DT Nothern Iowa
195. Austin Reed -QB Western Kentucky
20. Troy Fautanu - OT Washington
51. Zach Frazier- OC West Virginia
84. Ricky Pearsall- WR Florida
98. Cole Bishop - S Utah
119. Cam Hart -CB Notre Dame
178. Khristian Boyd -DT Nothern Iowa
195. Austin Reed -QB Western Kentucky
Grid71
Footballguy
Same rationale starting Kenny over Rudolph.
Can tell Coach is excited to shed the shackles bringing in Russ. Had to suck needing permission from upon high to demote one of the worst starting QB in NFL history. Be free coach T!
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Ryan Clark said when he saw Tomlin at the owner's meeting, that he was the most excited to start a season that he could remember.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Best QB situation we've had since 2018?
The team went on that run in 2020 but Ben was throwing everything quick and short and when they started squatting on routes that died.
Wilson 26/8/3000 on the Bronco's last year, Bronco's go 8-9. Still unsure why some think he's washed. Fields - who knows. Talented runner but rn the jury is out on reading a pass rush and defensive scheme. He showed plenty of flashes though. Considering we spend less AND create addition by subtraction, that's great. I'm all in and yes we may be in needing a QB mode again next year but I'll take it over what we had and by a lot. Decent FA signings and while the holes may be somewhat glaring - they are rather obvious so we have a plan. Can't wait.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Russ plays scared, hangs on to the ball too long, is skittish in the pocket, and will dump off if his first read is covered. Watch any film from last year and you'll see it yourself. Payton got rid of him for a reason, and he has a much better offensive mindset than anyone in Pittsburgh.
Read one covered, check down, scramble, or get sacked. Repeat
That is where he's at in his career.
Read one covered, check down, scramble, or get sacked. Repeat
That is where he's at in his career.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
If he does all of those things, but slightly better than KP, we will be better than last year.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
I'm not saying he won't be, because he is at least a better starter than KP.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
This all may be true, but I think the conventional thinking inside the Steelers building is that Artie is going to install an offense that is going to basically limit Russ to only having to read one side of the field and then lean into the couple things that he still does well: throw off of play action and throw deep off broken coverage (I assume they think this offensive mindset will be something that they can coach into Fields as well).
I am not advocating for this mentality, I am merely stating that is what I think that they are going to do. It may even work pretty well...during the regular season when it is a marathon, not a sprint. "One and done" situations vs. superior QBs in theplayiffs? I don't see this as being conducive to winning very often in those situations, hence why I did not like the hiring of Arthur Smith.
It's pretty difficult for me to argue that it won't be a better method than Straw Hat and Kenny though. At least as of March 27th 2024.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Payton had to dumb down the playcalls last year which is the main reason he was ready to dump Wilson. He's going to fit right into what the vision is in Pittsburgh. As long as they can get a lead against mediocrity and let the D do the rest, the status quo will remain.
His contract hitting guarantees in 2025 being that reason.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Yes because he's obviously not worth that price tag as well
crushedspirit
Footballguy
As is, he'll fit right into MT's vision of an offense and is an upgrade from the worst QB last season. I'm guessing that's enough to get some fans excited.
Grid71
Footballguy
I'm excited to move past the KP mistake after only 2 seasons. Ending this nightmare at least 1 year earlier than expected when he was drafted. Cut Kenny and upgrade to Russ/Fields is best case scenario this offseason.
Same time we get a Matt Canada free training camp. Smith has been very successful as OC and is more hands on than Canada will ever be. After several years of being one of the worst offenses in the league, the bar is LOW. Looking forward to see how the offense progresses with all the changes. Hopefully people give them some time to put it all together & not over react if we start out slow.
Say what you want about the NFL being a passing league now and running game is less important... the best teams are able to lean on the run today. KC wasn't great at it, but ran the ball a ton down the stretch. CLE, SF, PHI, DET (Montgomery and Gibbs TD numbers are crazy), Buffalo offense centered around Cook in december/january. Baltimore was probably the best team in the NFL before getting cute in the playoffs attempting to win through the air.
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