Adrian Peterson (1 Viewer)

[Nucker101]

For the AP owners out there, what would it take for you to trade him away?

AP owner in my redraft 12 team PPR league offered AP and Greg Olsen for my Gronk and Moreno. I declined.

 

[groin pains]

Anyone hear that AP's injured hamstring may be worse off than originally thought. I caught the tail end of what someone was reporting on SIRIUS radio this morning. Has anyone heard anything else or did anyone perhaps hear the whole interview??

 

[yoadrian]

Anyone hear that AP's injured hamstring may be worse off than originally thought. I caught the tail end of what someone was reporting on SIRIUS radio this morning. Has anyone heard anything else or did anyone perhaps hear the whole interview??

Yeah it was someone from fftoolbox.com saying that "rumors are swirling" and there are undisclosed injury concerns about the hamstring. Personally it sounds like complete speculation, plus AP played through the 4th quarter of last weeks game. But still, if I have Peterson, I'm handcuffing Gerhart

 

[groin pains]

Anyone hear that AP's injured hamstring may be worse off than originally thought. I caught the tail end of what someone was reporting on SIRIUS radio this morning. Has anyone heard anything else or did anyone perhaps hear the whole interview??

Yeah it was someone from fftoolbox.com saying that "rumors are swirling" and there are undisclosed injury concerns about the hamstring. Personally it sounds like complete speculation, plus AP played through the 4th quarter of last weeks game. But still, if I have Peterson, I'm handcuffing Gerhart

Thanks! That is the report I was referring to. Grabbed up Gerhart myself.

 

[Grahamburn]

You would indeed be insane to bench him. Unless you're somehow sitting on say... Adrian Peterson, Matt Forte and Reggie Bush in a start 2 RB league. Then MAYBE.

That said, yes... at this point I'd be a little surprised if Peterson finished Top 5 in PPR. So far his seasons been saved by a couple of big goal line TDs and two massive runs. He's currently on pace for 10.6 runs of 20+ yards and about 5.4 40+ yard runs. He's just not breaking those massive runs he was a season ago. This was to be expected though. That coupled with the fact that this offense is worse than it was last season equals a potential let down season.

In the end though? Right now he's 7th in Rushing Yards, 4th in YPC (over 100att) with 4.4ypc and tied for 5th in TDs with 5. The issue here is this though...

He's 7th in rushing yards with 511... take away his runs of 78 and 60? And he's sitting at 373 yards rushing on 113 carries for an abysmal 3.3ypc. Taking away a simple 2 carries on his season drops his ypc by 1.1. That is 100000000% a massive outlier and cause for concern.

On the same token? His "6 TDs", 2 were on those massive runs which you can't expect him to keep up... maybe he gets 2 more of those on the season? The other 4 though? All goal line type carries, which he's unlikely to see many more of all season. He's in a similar situation as Doug Martin right now. Where he's going to need the defense to get turnovers and get them close to TDs in order for him to get those TDs.

I'm not sure I'm "buying low" on AP right now. If anything I'm trying to sell him at the #1 RB name value he has and get something great in return. If you can somehow flip him and your QB1 for say Peyton Manning? I'd do it. If you can somehow flip him for Calvin or Dez? I'd probably do it. And if you can by some miracle package something like Moreno and a high WR2 for him I'd also just do it.

AP is rb7 in my league and was killing it the first 4 games before the bye. the 2 games since the bye have been bad. Seems like an over reaction.

Define "killing it"?

ADP before the bye: 92 rushes, 421 yards, 4.58 ypc. Team average of 28.75ppg.

ADP after the bye: 23 rushes, 90 yards, 3.91ypc. Team average of 8.5ppg

ADP before the bye subtracting his runs over 20 yards: 89 rushes, 247 yards, 2.77ypc

So there you have it... take away just 3 of his rushes on the season? And he's now averaging nearly 2ypc less than he is with those 3 runs. I'm not saying you can just ignore them, they did happen. But statistics tell us outliers shouldn't be ignored when evaluating situations like these. He had 3 monster runs and otherwise has done jack all season. And now the team is in turmoil and they're putting up 20 less PPG then they were going into the bye. So now you can't expect him to get 2-3 goal line opportunities a game. At this point AP's value is contingent on him breaking monster runs every week.

Hell, technically? He's running even BETTER now than he was prior to the bye. 3.91ypc vs 2.77ypc

If I take away these two posts you wouldn't exist in this thread.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

AP is rb7 in my league and was killing it the first 4 games before the bye. the 2 games since the bye have been bad. Seems like an over reaction.

Define "killing it"?

ADP before the bye: 92 rushes, 421 yards, 4.58 ypc. Team average of 28.75ppg.

ADP after the bye: 23 rushes, 90 yards, 3.91ypc. Team average of 8.5ppg

ADP before the bye subtracting his runs over 20 yards: 89 rushes, 247 yards, 2.77ypc

So there you have it... take away just 3 of his rushes on the season? And he's now averaging nearly 2ypc less than he is with those 3 runs. I'm not saying you can just ignore them, they did happen. But statistics tell us outliers shouldn't be ignored when evaluating situations like these. He had 3 monster runs and otherwise has done jack all season. And now the team is in turmoil and they're putting up 20 less PPG then they were going into the bye. So now you can't expect him to get 2-3 goal line opportunities a game. At this point AP's value is contingent on him breaking monster runs every week.

Hell, technically? He's running even BETTER now than he was prior to the bye. 3.91ypc vs 2.77ypc

It's one thing to remove a long run as an outlier from a guy like Jerome Bettis who rarely breaks off long runs. In that case, they're not necessarily predictive of his future production since they're unlikely to be repeated.

For Peterson, though, long runs are part of his game. He breaks off long runs with regular occurrence every single year. They are far from an outlier and are still predictive of his future because they are very likely to be repeated.

 

[groin pains]

Anyone hear that AP's injured hamstring may be worse off than originally thought. I caught the tail end of what someone was reporting on SIRIUS radio this morning. Has anyone heard anything else or did anyone perhaps hear the whole interview??

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Anyone hear that AP's injured hamstring may be worse off than originally thought. I caught the tail end of what someone was reporting on SIRIUS radio this morning. Has anyone heard anything else or did anyone perhaps hear the whole interview??

Yeah it was someone from fftoolbox.com saying that "rumors are swirling" and there are undisclosed injury concerns about the hamstring. Personally it sounds like complete speculation, plus AP played through the 4th quarter of last weeks game. But still, if I have Peterson, I'm handcuffing Gerhart

Link to this mornings interview on SIRIUS. Not sure who this guys source is, but I do not see a reason to panic...YET.

https://soundcloud.com/siriusxmsports/the-rotoexperts-and-scott

 

[Khy]

AP is rb7 in my league and was killing it the first 4 games before the bye. the 2 games since the bye have been bad. Seems like an over reaction.

Define "killing it"?

ADP before the bye: 92 rushes, 421 yards, 4.58 ypc. Team average of 28.75ppg.

ADP after the bye: 23 rushes, 90 yards, 3.91ypc. Team average of 8.5ppg

ADP before the bye subtracting his runs over 20 yards: 89 rushes, 247 yards, 2.77ypc

So there you have it... take away just 3 of his rushes on the season? And he's now averaging nearly 2ypc less than he is with those 3 runs. I'm not saying you can just ignore them, they did happen. But statistics tell us outliers shouldn't be ignored when evaluating situations like these. He had 3 monster runs and otherwise has done jack all season. And now the team is in turmoil and they're putting up 20 less PPG then they were going into the bye. So now you can't expect him to get 2-3 goal line opportunities a game. At this point AP's value is contingent on him breaking monster runs every week.

Hell, technically? He's running even BETTER now than he was prior to the bye. 3.91ypc vs 2.77ypc

It's one thing to remove a long run as an outlier from a guy like Jerome Bettis who rarely breaks off long runs. In that case, they're not necessarily predictive of his future production since they're unlikely to be repeated.

For Peterson, though, long runs are part of his game. He breaks off long runs with regular occurrence every single year. They are far from an outlier and are still predictive of his future because they are very likely to be repeated.

He had 27 runs of 20+ yards last season, he has 3 this season. He averaged 1.69 20+ yard carries PER GAME. This season he's averaging 0.5 20+ yard carries per game. Rather monster difference. He's on pace for only 8 runs of 20+ yards. Last season if you remove his 20+ yard runs from the stats he ran for 1130 yards on 321 carries for an average of 3.52ypc.

So this season ADP is on pace for 1/3rd the 20+ yard runs he had last season. And his ypc average for carries under 20 yards last season is almost 1ypc higher (0.75ypc to be exact) than this seasons average.

You do the math. Simple point is, his average carries are lower than last season. And his big carries are significantly lower than last season. The offensive line is worse than last season. The offense is worse than last season. The schedule is harder than last season.

I can't stand the argument of "You can't just remove <stat> to prove your point" when often enough and in my experience removing outlier stats helps you find the most truthful information behind the statlines. Similar situations are the reasons for me recommending against drafting TRich and Doug Martin and to try and get Charles in every single league this season.

 

[JuniorNB]

It's hard to believe that he was better seven months after ACL surgery than he is the second year after the surgery. I just don't get it. But the best test of all is the eyeball test and he fails that miserably. Looks slow and immobile this year. Compared to last.

 

[conboy]

After listening to Bloom's podcast "On the Couch" I traded him straight up for Lynch.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

Greg Jennings is no Percy Harvin.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

After listening to Bloom's podcast "On the Couch" I traded him straight up for Lynch.

I did the same thing.

The "take away his long runs" argument is actually valid here, because when he got in the open field against the Giants on that reception, you could see that his body could not do what he wanted it to.

Add into that the horrible QB play, OL play, and a team that looks like it is in mid-collapse the last two weeks, and its time to make a lateral move to charles mccoy forte bush lynch, or get something like morris + a WR1 or lacy + WR1. Chances are that there is too much for AD to overcome to stay top 5 this year. Could it happen, sure, but you're betting on MIN to turn this thing around. When AD was on fire last year, the OL was blocking, and the team was playing hard. Not seeing that right now.

 

[cstu]

Adrian Peterson has been dealing with his right hamstring injury for four or five weeks, he said on Thursday, but the injury started with a bruise, not a pulled muscle, and the Minnesota Vikings running back said he isn't worried about missing any time.

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"I feel like it was more in my mind. It's strange to say that, but I think I was kind of holding myself back, not being able to stretch out and really run. I think I was kind of hindering myself. Now that I'm able to be more relaxed and got a clearer mind, I think I'll be able to go out there and roll full-speed."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9873280/adrian-peterson-minnesota-vikings-dealing-hamstring-issue

 

[Mash]

Anxious to check back in to this thread after the Pack game this weekend. I have a feeling those who traded him away might regret that decision.

 

[Soulfly3]

Peterson has looked great running right into a brick wall at the LOS for the past few games.

He's got no juice, no pizzazz, no juke. He's plodding.

Hamstrings matter.

Who would have thought?

You said it, brother!

 

[Jobber]

Peterson has looked great running right into a brick wall at the LOS for the past few games.

He's got no juice, no pizzazz, no juke. He's plodding.

Hamstrings matter.

Who would have thought?

You said it, brother!

It's his line, and Musgrave's play calling that are killing him.

 

[Soulfly3]

Peterson has looked great running right into a brick wall at the LOS for the past few games.

He's got no juice, no pizzazz, no juke. He's plodding.

Hamstrings matter.

Who would have thought?

You said it, brother!

It's his line, and Musgrave's play calling that are killing him.

Yes, they are.

But if you're going to ignore that his hamstring isn't holding him back... well, you're ignoring facts

 

[Mash]

AP was a full participant in practice today. Maybe the hamstring isn't as bad as originally thought. - https://twitter.com/VikingsNow/status/393478337777393665

 

[Interseptopus]

Anxious to check back in to this thread after the Pack game this weekend. I have a feeling those who traded him away might regret that decision.

You realize GB has a history of keeping AP contained right?

 

[Mash]

Anxious to check back in to this thread after the Pack game this weekend. I have a feeling those who traded him away might regret that decision.

You realize GB has a history of keeping AP contained right?

Not sure if you're being facetious or not, but last year he had 508 yards and 2 TDs against them (3 games). In 2011, he had 226 yards and 2 TDs against them. In 2010, he had 203 yards and a TD against them. I could keep going...

 

[Boomer1]

Anxious to check back in to this thread after the Pack game this weekend. I have a feeling those who traded him away might regret that decision.

You realize GB has a history of keeping AP contained right?

Ha.....

You may want to check your math.....

 

[cstu]

Anxious to check back in to this thread after the Pack game this weekend. I have a feeling those who traded him away might regret that decision.

You realize GB has a history of keeping AP contained right?

Ha.....

You may want to check your math.....

Although this is the best Packers run defense in years.

 

[Boomer1]

Anxious to check back in to this thread after the Pack game this weekend. I have a feeling those who traded him away might regret that decision.

You realize GB has a history of keeping AP contained right?

Ha.....

You may want to check your math.....

Although this is the best Packers run defense in years.

Yes, since 09', but that's not what I'm addressing now is it?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

After listening to Bloom's podcast "On the Couch" I traded him straight up for Lynch.

I did the same thing.

I did the reverse three weeks ago in a redraft. oof.

*But I simply wanted to avoid Lynch getting 10 carries an rested like he did twice last year in the fantasy playoffs. And Seattle plays the Giants, Cardinals and Rams in the final weeks.

 

[maf005]

@ Bloom suggesting to bail on Peterson. Seems like a significant overreaction

 

[Sgt_Russia]

If you bail on Peterson, you'll be sorry.

Take a look at the first 6 games last year; 499 yards @ 4.4 ypc and 2 TD's. Then, owners had what appeared to be a legit reason to be concerned about his future. I came really close to unloading him then, too. But he made me glad I hadn't... 1598 yards and 11 TD's over the final 10 games.

Same garbage QB-play, offense, play calling, etc last year and this year.

Trade FOR him. With all this panic, he won't get cheaper.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

If you bail on Peterson, you'll be sorry.

Take a look at the first 6 games last year; 499 yards @ 4.4 ypc and 2 TD's. Then, owners had what appeared to be a legit reason to be concerned about his future. I came really close to unloading him then, too. But he made me glad I hadn't... 1598 yards and 11 TD's over the final 10 games.

Same garbage QB-play, offense, play calling, etc last year and this year.

Trade FOR him. With all this panic, he won't get cheaper.

Trade what? Lynch? McCoy? Forte? Calvin?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I just acquired him and Gerhart for Ryan Mathews and Demaryius Thomas.

 

[cvnpoka]

AP is rb7 in my league and was killing it the first 4 games before the bye. the 2 games since the bye have been bad. Seems like an over reaction.

Define "killing it"?

ADP before the bye: 92 rushes, 421 yards, 4.58 ypc. Team average of 28.75ppg.

ADP after the bye: 23 rushes, 90 yards, 3.91ypc. Team average of 8.5ppg

ADP before the bye subtracting his runs over 20 yards: 89 rushes, 247 yards, 2.77ypc

So there you have it... take away just 3 of his rushes on the season? And he's now averaging nearly 2ypc less than he is with those 3 runs. I'm not saying you can just ignore them, they did happen. But statistics tell us outliers shouldn't be ignored when evaluating situations like these. He had 3 monster runs and otherwise has done jack all season. And now the team is in turmoil and they're putting up 20 less PPG then they were going into the bye. So now you can't expect him to get 2-3 goal line opportunities a game. At this point AP's value is contingent on him breaking monster runs every week.

Hell, technically? He's running even BETTER now than he was prior to the bye. 3.91ypc vs 2.77ypc

the reason he is such a great player, and such a great fantasy producer, is bc of his ability to rip off huge runs. those are not outliers. they are indicators of his ability. he does it every year.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

@ Bloom suggesting to bail on Peterson. Seems like a significant overreaction

I like Ponder coming back but that was terrible with Freeman under center and if that returns...

 

[rickyg]

@ Bloom suggesting to bail on Peterson. Seems like a significant overreaction

So stupid. In a year with so many underperforming RBS what other Rb would you rather have aside from maybe Charles?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

If you bail on Peterson, you'll be sorry.

Take a look at the first 6 games last year; 499 yards @ 4.4 ypc and 2 TD's. Then, owners had what appeared to be a legit reason to be concerned about his future. I came really close to unloading him then, too. But he made me glad I hadn't... 1598 yards and 11 TD's over the final 10 games.

Same garbage QB-play, offense, play calling, etc last year and this year.

Trade FOR him. With all this panic, he won't get cheaper.

Wrong. the OL was playing much much better. He was intentionally underused to ease him back from his ACL surgery. The Vikings were playing with a ton of fight and the game scripts were still good for a RB.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

@ Bloom suggesting to bail on Peterson. Seems like a significant overreaction

So stupid. In a year with so many underperforming RBS what other Rb would you rather have aside from maybe Charles?

Forte McCoy Bush and Lynch.

I Love Peterson, but if you are being honest with yourself about what he has to overcome, you are going against the grain if you expect to be top 5 from here on out. He has barely been an RB2 the last two weeks

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

@ Bloom suggesting to bail on Peterson. Seems like a significant overreaction

I like Ponder coming back but that was terrible with Freeman under center and if that returns...

If they are smart enough to take their loss of 3M and just not play Freeman again, maybe it gets slightly better. But Ponder has been so bad that they signed Freeman...

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

@ Bloom suggesting to bail on Peterson. Seems like a significant overreaction

seems like a significant underreaction to watch the last two MIN games and think everything is going to be ok with AD

 

[RealReactions]

You all who doubt Peterson crack me up. Couldnt script this!

 

[maf005]

@ Bloom suggesting to bail on Peterson. Seems like a significant overreaction

seems like a significant underreaction to watch the last two MIN games and think everything is going to be ok with AD

IMO this is a player and situation where you let the ebb and flow play out. Agree to disagree I guess

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

@ Bloom suggesting to bail on Peterson. Seems like a significant overreaction

seems like a significant underreaction to watch the last two MIN games and think everything is going to be ok with AD

IMO this is a player and situation where you let the ebb and flow play out. Agree to disagree I guess

the player is hurt and the situation might be the worst in the entire league. If he has another bad game you won't be able to make a lateral move to an EQUAL RB1. Folks, I'm not advocating selling Peterson for pennies on the dollar. I LOVE Peterson, but at some point you have to accept that it's not a good thing for your RB1 and centerpiece of your team to have every single external factor working against him.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Wow. They never learn.

 

[Mash]

@ Bloom suggesting to bail on Peterson. Seems like a significant overreaction

I like Ponder coming back but that was terrible with Freeman under center and if that returns...

If they are smart enough to take their loss of 3M and just not play Freeman again, maybe it gets slightly better. But Ponder has been so bad that they signed Freeman...

Bloom - AP had 328 rushing yards, 7 receptions, 35 receiving yards and 3TDs in 3 games with Ponder this year. I respect your prognostications, but take a deep breath. Everything is going to be ooookkkk.

 

[Mash]

@ Bloom suggesting to bail on Peterson. Seems like a significant overreaction

seems like a significant underreaction to watch the last two MIN games and think everything is going to be ok with AD

IMO this is a player and situation where you let the ebb and flow play out. Agree to disagree I guess

the player is hurt and the situation might be the worst in the entire league. If he has another bad game you won't be able to make a lateral move to an EQUAL RB1. Folks, I'm not advocating selling Peterson for pennies on the dollar. I LOVE Peterson, but at some point you have to accept that it's not a good thing for your RB1 and centerpiece of your team to have every single external factor working against him.

Full participant in practice today. He said he injured the leg "4-5 weeks" ago. Well, that would be the start of the season, and he looked just fine with Ponder under center those first 3 games. As "terrible" as the situation was with Ponder, they averaged 30 ppg with him as a starter this year.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

@ Bloom suggesting to bail on Peterson. Seems like a significant overreaction

I like Ponder coming back but that was terrible with Freeman under center and if that returns...

If they are smart enough to take their loss of 3M and just not play Freeman again, maybe it gets slightly better. But Ponder has been so bad that they signed Freeman...

Bloom - AP had 328 rushing yards, 7 receptions, 35 receiving yards and 3TDs in 3 games with Ponder this year. I respect your prognostications, but take a deep breath. Everything is going to be ooookkkk.

The Vikings were in those games from beginning to end. The OL was opening holes. The team didn't look morose and uninterested in playing hard.

The schedule is also not going to help here:

GB @DAL WAS @SEA @GB CHI @BAL PHI @CIN

Instead of having blind faith in Peterson to overcome all of these factors working against him, why not turn him into an elite RB1 with some factors actually working in their factor, in addition to outstanding talent. I'm surprised that this is being met with so much resistance.

 

[maf005]

@ Bloom suggesting to bail on Peterson. Seems like a significant overreaction

seems like a significant underreaction to watch the last two MIN games and think everything is going to be ok with AD

IMO this is a player and situation where you let the ebb and flow play out. Agree to disagree I guess

the player is hurt and the situation might be the worst in the entire league. If he has another bad game you won't be able to make a lateral move to an EQUAL RB1. Folks, I'm not advocating selling Peterson for pennies on the dollar. I LOVE Peterson, but at some point you have to accept that it's not a good thing for your RB1 and centerpiece of your team to have every single external factor working against him.

He's hurt sorta like Calvin was hurt two weeks ago

As for situation and game script..I would argue that what we've seen the past two weeks is just about the absolute worst it could possibly be for AD. If the defense plays slightly better or their QB improves and gets the offense more balanced then he will be right back in the top 2-3 rbs.

Appreciate the feedback Bloom

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

@ Bloom suggesting to bail on Peterson. Seems like a significant overreaction

So stupid. In a year with so many underperforming RBS what other Rb would you rather have aside from maybe Charles?

Forte McCoy Bush and Lynch.

I Love Peterson, but if you are being honest with yourself about what he has to overcome, you are going against the grain if you expect to be top 5 from here on out. He has barely been an RB2 the last two weeks

Sorry man, but you are way over analyzing this one. AP is the greatest RB of his era in his absolute prime. He's going to finish the season strong. In my biggest money league, AP is currently the 8th best RB. I will bet whatever you're willing to bet, that AP finishes better than he has started. I guess the simplest way to measure this would be PPG ROS.

 

[agent orange]

@ Bloom suggesting to bail on Peterson. Seems like a significant overreaction

seems like a significant underreaction to watch the last two MIN games and think everything is going to be ok with AD

IMO this is a player and situation where you let the ebb and flow play out. Agree to disagree I guess

the player is hurt and the situation might be the worst in the entire league. If he has another bad game you won't be able to make a lateral move to an EQUAL RB1. Folks, I'm not advocating selling Peterson for pennies on the dollar. I LOVE Peterson, but at some point you have to accept that it's not a good thing for your RB1 and centerpiece of your team to have every single external factor working against him.

He's hurt sorta like Calvin was hurt two weeks ago

As for situation and game script..I would argue that what we've seen the past two weeks is just about the absolute worst it could possibly be for AD. If the defense plays slightly better or their QB improves and gets the offense more balanced then he will be right back in the top 2-3 rbs.

Appreciate the feedback Bloom

Agree that these external factors.....QB carousel, hamstring, O-line troubles, death of son have turned into the worst of circumstances for AP, but the storm is passing. If I could get Charles or McCoy for AP, I probably would, but I can't and I think trading him for Forte, Bush, or possibly Lacy is selling him short.

 

[blake]

@ Bloom suggesting to bail on Peterson. Seems like a significant overreaction

seems like a significant underreaction to watch the last two MIN games and think everything is going to be ok with AD

IMO this is a player and situation where you let the ebb and flow play out. Agree to disagree I guess

the player is hurt and the situation might be the worst in the entire league. If he has another bad game you won't be able to make a lateral move to an EQUAL RB1. Folks, I'm not advocating selling Peterson for pennies on the dollar. I LOVE Peterson, but at some point you have to accept that it's not a good thing for your RB1 and centerpiece of your team to have every single external factor working against him.

He's hurt sorta like Calvin was hurt two weeks ago

As for situation and game script..I would argue that what we've seen the past two weeks is just about the absolute worst it could possibly be for AD. If the defense plays slightly better or their QB improves and gets the offense more balanced then he will be right back in the top 2-3 rbs.

Appreciate the feedback Bloom

Agree that these external factors.....QB carousel, hamstring, O-line troubles, death of son have turned into the worst of circumstances for AP, but the storm is passing. If I could get Charles or McCoy for AP, I probably would, but I can't and I think trading him for Forte, Bush, or possibly Lacy is selling him short.

Agreed. I tried to offer AP and Tannehill for McCoy today and no go. Owners who know what is going on are not trading an elite RB1 for Peterson straight up. That sounds like a lovely idea, but it isn't going to happen. And I agree about trading AP for Forte, Bush and Lacy is selling him short. Granted, Bloom said to get Lacy + a WR1 for AP, but I can't see how an owner ever would be willing to do this. I'd imagine that if you are in a league with other knowledgable owners, you're stuck with AP to keep plugging him into your lineup unless YOU are the one giving up an asset along with AP to get another RB1.

 

[conboy]

Guys, it wasn't just Bloom, it was Paul Charchian and Evan Silva who mentioned this as well. I believe Paul is based in MN, so if someone who follows the team and has as much fantasy as Paul makes this observation and suggests getting value for AP, then it's at least worth consideration. Note, I got Lynch for AP, did not give him away for bag of rocks.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

@ Bloom suggesting to bail on Peterson. Seems like a significant overreaction

I like Ponder coming back but that was terrible with Freeman under center and if that returns...

If they are smart enough to take their loss of 3M and just not play Freeman again, maybe it gets slightly better. But Ponder has been so bad that they signed Freeman...

Bloom - AP had 328 rushing yards, 7 receptions, 35 receiving yards and 3TDs in 3 games with Ponder this year. I respect your prognostications, but take a deep breath. Everything is going to be ooookkkk.

The Vikings were in those games from beginning to end. The OL was opening holes. The team didn't look morose and uninterested in playing hard. The schedule is also not going to help here:

GB @DAL WAS @SEA @GB CHI @BAL PHI @CIN

Instead of having blind faith in Peterson to overcome all of these factors working against him, why not turn him into an elite RB1 with some factors actually working in their factor, in addition to outstanding talent. I'm surprised that this is being met with so much resistance.

Huh? He has historically dominated GB (2 games). Washington can't stop my grandmother. Neither can Philly or Chicago. Baltimore D is average and their offense sucks do they will be in the game. Dallas has been mediocre against good RBs. Heck, Seattle and Cincy are the ONLY tough matchups. I take it you're a glass half empty type of fellow...

 

[fightingillini]

@ Bloom suggesting to bail on Peterson. Seems like a significant overreaction

I like Ponder coming back but that was terrible with Freeman under center and if that returns...

If they are smart enough to take their loss of 3M and just not play Freeman again, maybe it gets slightly better. But Ponder has been so bad that they signed Freeman...

Bloom - AP had 328 rushing yards, 7 receptions, 35 receiving yards and 3TDs in 3 games with Ponder this year. I respect your prognostications, but take a deep breath. Everything is going to be ooookkkk.

The Vikings were in those games from beginning to end. The OL was opening holes. The team didn't look morose and uninterested in playing hard.

The schedule is also not going to help here:

GB @DAL WAS @SEA @GB CHI @BAL PHI @CIN

Instead of having blind faith in Peterson to overcome all of these factors working against him, why not turn him into an elite RB1 with some factors actually working in their factor, in addition to outstanding talent. I'm surprised that this is being met with so much resistance.

I hear what you're saying, but Peterson was great last year (even after Harvin was out for the year) and the situation wasn't great then either. Ponder sucked last year as well.

And there are very few true RB1s right now. Right now, only Charles and Lynch are money right now. Forte would be on that list, but he is going to miss Cutler for the next month. McCoy has cooled off as well after a torrid start.

If I could get Peterson for a good back like Lacy and a WR1, sure I would pull the trigger, but I can't see getting that return. Anything else, you're selling for a discount.

Peterson owners should just hold and see what happens.

 

[sho nuff]

Anxious to check back in to this thread after the Pack game this weekend. I have a feeling those who traded him away might regret that decision.

Could see a big run or so with the depleted LB corps of the Packers.

But their Dline is playing so tough right now things won't come easy against a team not too worried about the Vikings passing and who have the guys to stop the run this year.