flapgreen
Footballguy
ExactlySame reason he sat the last series vs Falcons and people here took is as an omen that McKinnon was surpassing him
Gotta love the shark pool
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Asiata vs. McKinnon (1 Viewer)
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rockaction
Footballguy
Whoops, Asiata back in. Must be saving their best commodity. 
John Bender
Footballguy
ExactlySame reason he sat the last series vs Falcons and people here took is as an omen that McKinnon was surpassing him
Gotta love the shark pool
John Bender
Footballguy
John Bender
Footballguy
He's there to block and save the team from a dumb injury in garbage time. Since McKinnon blocks like my grandmother, how can you not see this?
flapgreen
Footballguy
At least you're consistent.
John Bender
Footballguy
Out touched again
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John Bender
Footballguy
Consistently correct. Thanks much, please hushAt least you're consistent.
RichInOrlando
Footballguy
Well at least they will combine for nearly 10 points?
rockaction
Footballguy
I knew that would be the response. Shifting the goalposts like Tim.
I love the FFA guys sometimes.
Annnnnnd...there's McKinnon.
I have no dog in this fight and hope it's all in good fun.
John Bender
Footballguy
I knew that would be the response. Shifting the goalposts like Tim.
I love the FFA guys sometimes.
Annnnnnd...there's McKinnon.
I have no dog in this fight and hope it's all in good fun.
It's true.RichInOrlando
Footballguy
Interesting. If there was any sense of making this a split, you'd think McKinnon would run between the 20s and Asiata would come in red zone. But it's backwards and there's Banyiard.
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rockaction
Footballguy
I agree with you. That's exactly what I thought. It's just funny.I knew that would be the response. Shifting the goalposts like Tim.
I love the FFA guys sometimes.
Annnnnnd...there's McKinnon.
I have no dog in this fight and hope it's all in good fun.
And...Banyard.
John Bender
Footballguy
John Bender
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Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
Definitely looks like the staff making a concerted effort to keep McKinnon healthy here in the blowout with Asiata and Banyard out there.
McKinnon looked terrific on that 10 yard run against the prevent. And equally great in pass pro tonight. I'm sure the staff will take note.
McKinnon looked terrific on that 10 yard run against the prevent. And equally great in pass pro tonight. I'm sure the staff will take note.
John Bender
Footballguy
Mods...
since Banyard played the last series in this blowout game, please change the thread title to Asiata v McKinnon v Banyard
since Banyard played the last series in this blowout game, please change the thread title to Asiata v McKinnon v Banyard
Football Jones
Footballguy
Why does it always have to be one player against another? Asiata is the starter now while they groom McKinnon. Asiata is a decent RB.
McKinnon has rare raw ability & has a much higher upside. He'll eventually be their feature back, but needs experience. It may happen this season, maybe not. Next season is a good bet, though.
Let's embrace both players for what they are.
McKinnon has rare raw ability & has a much higher upside. He'll eventually be their feature back, but needs experience. It may happen this season, maybe not. Next season is a good bet, though.
Let's embrace both players for what they are.
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John Bender
Footballguy
All 3 played the last series. When's the last time you hit up the eye doctor, Mr Magoo?
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
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RichInOrlando
Footballguy
Really? McKinnon was out there most of the 4th and Asiata was rested. Honestly, to say either looked good is a lot. They did what they could, but both didn't separate from the other, IMO.
Think we still need more time to see if coaches don't keep it as a 2:1 split.
John Bender
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I should have known not to start McKinnon on the road on Thursday with an ankle issue and no practice. Why was he in on the last drive though, and then pulled for Baynard? He made some good blocks and I was hoping for a garbage td. Then he's out.
John Bender
Footballguy
He's the back up RB.
Ranked slightly below Knile Davis going forward.
Did you have no other options?
RichInOrlando
Footballguy
Don't know. But Ponder had 44 passing attempts, which even in a blow out, seems like a lot to put in your back-up's back up QB. The RB weren't gonna claw themselves back, but hell take that time to answer all our questions and see what both got when you work them to the bones.
Jules Winnfield
Footballguy
I saw at least three dropped passes from Asiata so he catches like your grandmother
AZhardballz
Footballguy
Jules Winnfield
Footballguy
So he carries the rock as good as Bender's grandmother and his 3.38 yards per carry is slightly below grandmother's 3.55
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He was not on the road and I think he did practice this week.
Depending on your level of desperation he made sense this week. He came into tonight averaging over 4 targets a game since week 2 and coming off by far his most productive game where he netted 19 touches and playing a defense that struggled to stop the run.
Now all that being said I did not come into this game thinking he passed Asiata and the secondary RB in a Ponder led offense is not very attractive. Best hope I had for him was breaking a long run or being heavily involved in the passing game. As is the pass catching helped a little and in the absence of a big gainer or TD he did about what I expected.
I started him a league but I was very desperate. It was him or Darren Reaves. Obviously I wish I'd rolled the dice with Reaves but that's the kind of RB that he's in the discussion with regarding starting, in other words he should not have been in your lineup unless you are desperate and that's the case for the rest of the season until or if he gets a consistently bigger role.
chinawildman
Footballguy
I dunno if Peppers is just crazy fast, but he pulled away from McKinnon on that INT like it wuhn't no thang... Either that or Jerick wanted no part in tackling that beast.
RichInOrlando
Footballguy
Still don't think the dust has settled on if there is a clear-cut workhorse yet. Coaches tried to put game in Ponders hands instead of handing it off to the RBs and trying trick plays to CPatt. Asiata had more carries tonight and better avg, but a fumble. McKinnon showed speed, but couldn't do much outside of a single 10 yard gain.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Asiata's job till season is over..maybe next year they grab Mark Ingram, isn't he set to become a F/a?
or most likely draft a RB
good night from Asiata, 4.8 per carry is decent,as is 72 yards..I can't complain.
or most likely draft a RB
good night from Asiata, 4.8 per carry is decent,as is 72 yards..I can't complain.
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RichInOrlando
Footballguy
Haven't been able to rewatch the sacks, but NFL.com has the two INTs and McKinnon goofed on making the tackle in both. Of course, the INTs are ultimately Ponders fault. In the Pick-6 play Peppers outruns McKinnon and in the second INT the pass is behind McKinnon (so not his fault) yet he wasn't able to make the tackle to stop any yardage returned.
Asiata's fumble was clear and the flag was costly when they were in red zone.
Gotta see the replay to see who was in for the multiplie sacks.
Asiata's fumble was clear and the flag was costly when they were in red zone.
Gotta see the replay to see who was in for the multiplie sacks.
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RichInOrlando
Footballguy
During the post-game interview on NFL.com, Zimmer says pass pro was troubling and "guys in the running game getting out of their spots ... Was frustrating." Not sure what he means on that second part, whether it was blockers or the runners.
EDIT: If you're curious to see how the two backs did on plays Ponder threw picks and was sacked: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2014100200/2014/REG5/vikings@packers#menu=gameinfo%7CcontentId%3A0ap3000000404592&tab=recap
In case you don't know, Asiata is #44 and McKinnon is #31
EDIT: If you're curious to see how the two backs did on plays Ponder threw picks and was sacked: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2014100200/2014/REG5/vikings@packers#menu=gameinfo%7CcontentId%3A0ap3000000404592&tab=recap
In case you don't know, Asiata is #44 and McKinnon is #31
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ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
I'm sure RBs being able to tackle after turnovers is something the Vikings are stressing in practice. I mean, they have no other issues right now.
rockaction
Footballguy
I have to say this, though. Both times Ponder was picked the RB released into a route right from the snap.
But on the first two sacks from the highlights you linked to, McKinnon looked lost.
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MCguidance
Footballguy
Both guys are probably matchup plays in some form.
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
Some guys in here seem really invested in Asiata. If you are relying on this guy, it means you messed up somewhere in the draft. I hope no one is relying on this "starting RB."
Yes, I messed up in a draft and he is my starter, but I am not proud of it and I do not think he is good at all.
Yes, I messed up in a draft and he is my starter, but I am not proud of it and I do not think he is good at all.
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RichInOrlando
Footballguy
I wouldn't be in this thread if I wasn't invested in him (drafted AP).
But the Asiata vs McKinnon debate is one of the few things still being debated. We all know Donnell looks great, Kelce is beastly, Sankey is gonna do great etc etc.So we need something to still watch and debate about.
JoeyJoJoJuniorShabadoo
Footballguy
The whole Asiata vs. McKinnon debate boils down to people desperate for re-assurance that McKinnon will somehow become the savior of their season (we already know Asiata is not that guy) after some of their other picks have flopped...yours truly being one of them owners.Some guys in here seem really invested in Asiata. If you are relying on this guy, it means you messed up somewhere in the draft. I hope no one is relying on this "starting RB."
Asiata at this point is an RB3/flex. McKinnon is a flex at best. Oh well.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
IMO this is one of those threads where the redraft and dynasty folks are mixing and matching conversations.
chinawildman
Footballguy
I paid special attention to watching the pass pro of both RBs. Asiata's awareness and recognition is light years ahead of McKinnon at this point, though he did have a bad game catching the ball though. Not sure what McKinnon was doing exactly on his first 2 series during those sacks, he would kind of chip and then leak out half-assedly into the backfield to be an outlet. His effort on that Peppers INT has to be called into question. For being a "freak athlete", you'd think he can chase down a defensive end.
rockaction
Footballguy
No kidding. What the heck was that? Or is Peppers that good? I think Jerick might be hurt. I didn't see the explosiveness in him that I'd seen in highlights (admittedly, not much. Take it for what it is worth.) I did not see an explosive guy out there.
