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Good thing he stopped before the two World Series Championships, would've sucked to have them tained.
I don't believe this. Not for a second.
I was more shocked when they said Michael Jackson was gay.
Remember when people used to say steriods don't help you hit a baseball (mostly Bonds apologists)? You don't hear that argument too much anymore.
Just one of a series in the endless line of excuses used by the roiders. If you think professional athletes should be able to use whatever chemicals/PED's they can get their hands on, so be it, but if one is to respect the MLB's "testing" policy...it's time for an upgrade(to Olympic-style testing)
I think the word we're looking for here folks is......"sarcasm"
None intended. If MLB wants it "rule" on PED's to be taken seriously be the players, there is only one option...see the Olympics. Of course, the MLBPA/players are scared ####less about being exposed, so this will never happen.hooter311 said:
Well...the response by the players is pretty damn telling. Ortiz saying, "I'm not talking about that anymore. I have no comment," when asked about it...then other players commenting on it as if it were fact (including one of Ortiz's good friends)...then add that with each of the other people 'linked' to the list either admitting it or totally avoiding talking about it...The most entertaining part of this particular player is that he was outspoken about steroids and how others should be punished severely and he'd never do it and blah, blah, blah. Pretty much 3 types of steroids users in my mind. The worst: Lie about it, admonish others for doing it, then get busted. Bonds, Palmeiro, Papi. Total jerkoffs.The douchebags: Just try to completely distance themselves from it. Sosa, McGwire, etc. Douchebags, but at least they aren't lying through their teeth about it. The whatever, everybody is cheating group: Get caught. Admit it. Try to spin it as best as they can. Pettite, Giambi, etc. Still idiots, but at least they aren't total hypocrites too. Clemens and ARod are tough to slot. Clemens might be on a pedestal all his own for trying to bring others down with him. ARod admitted it, but lied about a bunch of things about it and then is a dooosh to begin with.dparker713 said:
Greco said:
How great would it be if fans of all the other MLB teams brought back the "1918" chant in light of this news? Not really fair, but it would drive the Red Sox fans crazy. And if there's any fan base that deserves to be driven crazy, it's Red Sox fans. I just wish this news had broken before the pink hatters took over Nationals Park last month. I would have been leading the chant.Jeremy said:Another cheating scandal in Boston. One of these days you'll win one that's legit.
I accept them as fact because once a name is leaked that name doesn't deny the claim. Sort of an admission of guilt IMOdparker713 said:
It's sad but true. It's almost as if these are the roid users we can look up to.
Talking about this stuff has proven to be by far the worst thing anyone can do on the subject. You sit there and say no comment. ARod finally figured this out during his rehab from his hip. Hopefully every player asked about steroids from now on just says no comment. The writers will finally get bored and baseball can ignore this just like the NFL.
Well...I certainly don't look up to them. Still idiots. But I don't look down on them. I think it's ridiculous that baseball players get grilled so much for steroids when other sports (namely, the NFL) have been using them just as heavily for just as long. The guys to look up to are the ones that didn't use...but who the hell knows who they are at this point. It might be like 2 guys...or it might be 75% of the guys. No way to know.
You cant prove a negative, so why even bother denying and fueling the story. Ignore the thing and it'll go away.
Ortiz denied it 20 times and addressed the issue when asked continually. Then the report comes out and he says, "No comment." Oh. Ok. Guess he's clean and just trying to make it go away.
interesting grouping. the ones that stand up and admit it have gotten the easiest treatment from the fans and media. Bonds should just come clean now, there are so many others out there it will hardly make a headline
I hear what you are saying on both counts. Maybe not look up to but I respect a guy a helluva lot more if he screws up, stands up, and admits the mistake like a man. I would have even more respect for a guy if he stood up and told the truth which is, "without roids I was a good player who made a great living. With roids I became a great player who made a phenomenal living and helped my team win more than I could before."Because I have to ask, how many of these guys that got caught would, if they could go back in time, still take the roids knowing that they probably wouldn't sign as big of contracts that they did, get the same endorsements, and have the same amount of fan adoration? I wouldn't say all or even half, but I bet a lot of them would still take the roids...
Bonds can't come clean, he'll end up in the slammer.
id be happier if i never heard from him again
How are steroids a mistake? You are on a fantasy football forum after all. Guys get busted in the NFL, the serve their time, and its done. They still make millions and none of the fans give two *****. Baseball is obviously closer to that point than many people thought after the Manny suspension. No, the mistake for these guys is getting caught, not using.
Its entirely different when you are the story as opposed to commenting on a story. Look at the Ibanez incident earlier in the year. If he says nothing to that reporter, there is no national story, just some guy on a blog speculating. Everytime he opened his mouth the story got bigger. Listen, I think 80% or more were using, I just don't find this story or style of reporting as factual evidence. I put it on par with the blogger speculation about Ibanez. This is the same Times that had Jayson Blair reporting for it not too long ago. I also don't much care about who used steroids in baseball and who is using now. Its not a matter of such importance that we should be supporting the subversion of the legal system to get at this information. The judge in this case needs to start sending ALOT of people to jail for contempt. Including the reporters, editors and publishers. As a member of the State Bar of California I want to see investigations into every member of both legal teams for sanctions and disbarrment proceedings.
