You’re both correct. While LC’s are the kings of long term reliability, 4 Runners are just a step below. Both are tanks that hold their values very well.You’re thinking Land Cruiser- the other Toyota SUV.Go on and get the 4-runner.
20 years and 400,000 miles later, you can still sell it for $30,000.
It’s a Toyota/Lexus thing. My little RAV4 has been amazing. 2012 model year, purchased used in 2015 with a shade under 50k miles for $14k. About to roll 190k miles, and the only thing it’s needed has been a water pump (which I did myself). I could likely get $8k for it today, 9 years and 140k miles later.You’re both correct. While LC’s are the kings of long term reliability, 4 Runners are just a step below. Both are tanks that hold their values very well.You’re thinking Land Cruiser- the other Toyota SUV.Go on and get the 4-runner.
20 years and 400,000 miles later, you can still sell it for $30,000.
No doubt. Currently own a 16 Highlander and 16 Lexus GS450h. Wife’s Highlander has over 100k and drives like new. Her car before that was a Lexus ES350 that we traded in with 240k on the clock. Car was rock solid still and the only reason we let it go was we wanted an SUV.It’s a Toyota/Lexus thing. My little RAV4 has been amazing. 2012 model year, purchased used in 2015 with a shade under 50k miles for $14k. About to roll 190k miles, and the only thing it’s needed has been a water pump (which I did myself). I could likely get $8k for it today, 9 years and 140k miles later.You’re both correct. While LC’s are the kings of long term reliability, 4 Runners are just a step below. Both are tanks that hold their values very well.You’re thinking Land Cruiser- the other Toyota SUV.Go on and get the 4-runner.
20 years and 400,000 miles later, you can still sell it for $30,000.
Timely enough.You’re thinking Land Cruiser- the other Toyota SUV.Go on and get the 4-runner.
20 years and 400,000 miles later, you can still sell it for $30,000.
I thought the disaster in the car market was more interesting.Timely enough.You’re thinking Land Cruiser- the other Toyota SUV.Go on and get the 4-runner.
20 years and 400,000 miles later, you can still sell it for $30,000.
CarMax trying to sell a 4-year old Land Crusier with 70,000 miles for $73K
No doubt they'll get it.
They should, 70k is just the break-in period. lol.Timely enough.You’re thinking Land Cruiser- the other Toyota SUV.Go on and get the 4-runner.
20 years and 400,000 miles later, you can still sell it for $30,000.
CarMax trying to sell a 4-year old Land Crusier with 70,000 miles for $73K
No doubt they'll get it.
No doubt. Currently own a 16 Highlander and 16 Lexus GS450h. Wife’s Highlander has over 100k and drives like new. Her car before that was a Lexus ES350 that we traded in with 240k on the clock. Car was rock solid still and the only reason we let it go was we wanted an SUV.It’s a Toyota/Lexus thing. My little RAV4 has been amazing. 2012 model year, purchased used in 2015 with a shade under 50k miles for $14k. About to roll 190k miles, and the only thing it’s needed has been a water pump (which I did myself). I could likely get $8k for it today, 9 years and 140k miles later.You’re both correct. While LC’s are the kings of long term reliability, 4 Runners are just a step below. Both are tanks that hold their values very well.You’re thinking Land Cruiser- the other Toyota SUV.Go on and get the 4-runner.
20 years and 400,000 miles later, you can still sell it for $30,000.
But the LC’s are truly another level above that. They are designed with a 20yr expected life (most Toyota are built to 10yr standards). They are purposely over built to last forever.
Sure. But anyone buying a 6000lb large SUV with the aerodynamics of a barn door and is thinking about gas mileage is setting themselves up with false expectations.No doubt. Currently own a 16 Highlander and 16 Lexus GS450h. Wife’s Highlander has over 100k and drives like new. Her car before that was a Lexus ES350 that we traded in with 240k on the clock. Car was rock solid still and the only reason we let it go was we wanted an SUV.It’s a Toyota/Lexus thing. My little RAV4 has been amazing. 2012 model year, purchased used in 2015 with a shade under 50k miles for $14k. About to roll 190k miles, and the only thing it’s needed has been a water pump (which I did myself). I could likely get $8k for it today, 9 years and 140k miles later.You’re both correct. While LC’s are the kings of long term reliability, 4 Runners are just a step below. Both are tanks that hold their values very well.You’re thinking Land Cruiser- the other Toyota SUV.Go on and get the 4-runner.
20 years and 400,000 miles later, you can still sell it for $30,000.
But the LC’s are truly another level above that. They are designed with a 20yr expected life (most Toyota are built to 10yr standards). They are purposely over built to last forever.
Cost of ownership is often obscured as these things get absolutely **** gas mileage. Even the new hybrid versions are barely breaking 20 combined mpg. And I say this as a Tacoma owner that’s at 260k miles and 23 years old. I love that truck but I fully recognize the gas mileage is terrible and I have a used commuter car I use for more daily driving and save the Tacoma for hauling and moving stuff, etc.
I’m seeing hints of it. A few new cars are actually advertising incentives. Mostly on leases. But it’s a start.This whole car price meltdown hasn't really materialized. Was hoping to get a decent teen driver, **** is still bananas out there.
I’ve seen some 0% for 72 months but it is on cars that are too expensive for me or that I have no interest in.
I’d argue that, and you just made my point for me. Your truck has 260k miles. Would you rather have a car that gets better mileage but only lasts 150k miles? Just like my 2012 rav4 with 190k miles that’s not really needed a thing (other than oil changes, brakes, tires and a water pump). My BIL loves land cruisers (literally having one shipped from Africa as it apparently just became legal here in the States), and routinely gets them over 300k miles.No doubt. Currently own a 16 Highlander and 16 Lexus GS450h. Wife’s Highlander has over 100k and drives like new. Her car before that was a Lexus ES350 that we traded in with 240k on the clock. Car was rock solid still and the only reason we let it go was we wanted an SUV.It’s a Toyota/Lexus thing. My little RAV4 has been amazing. 2012 model year, purchased used in 2015 with a shade under 50k miles for $14k. About to roll 190k miles, and the only thing it’s needed has been a water pump (which I did myself). I could likely get $8k for it today, 9 years and 140k miles later.You’re both correct. While LC’s are the kings of long term reliability, 4 Runners are just a step below. Both are tanks that hold their values very well.You’re thinking Land Cruiser- the other Toyota SUV.Go on and get the 4-runner.
20 years and 400,000 miles later, you can still sell it for $30,000.
But the LC’s are truly another level above that. They are designed with a 20yr expected life (most Toyota are built to 10yr standards). They are purposely over built to last forever.
Cost of ownership is often obscured as these things get absolutely **** gas mileage. Even the new hybrid versions are barely breaking 20 combined mpg. And I say this as a Tacoma owner that’s at 260k miles and 23 years old. I love that truck but I fully recognize the gas mileage is terrible and I have a used commuter car I use for more daily driving and save the Tacoma for hauling and moving stuff, etc.
You can definitely come out ahead in your example, just meant people often don't take the gas cost of ownership often into account (plus I just wish these vehicles got much better mileage as that's always been their major issue for me personally.) I've had other brands last well beyond 150K (and some not so much) that get considerably better gas mileage. But then were not really comparing apples and oranges as @dkp993 pointed out, most people needing a big vehicle like that, MPG is not high on the priority list. I'm probably rambling at this point, lord knows most consumers would rather go buy a giant truck or SUV that gets even worse gas mileage and will throw a rod at like 150K like you mentioned but they will have traded it in long before that for their next set of monthly payments.I’d argue that, and you just made my point for me. Your truck has 260k miles. Would you rather have a car that gets better mileage but only lasts 150k miles? Just like my 2012 rav4 with 190k miles that’s not really needed a thing (other than oil changes, brakes, tires and a water pump). My BIL loves land cruisers (literally having one shipped from Africa as it apparently just became legal here in the States), and routinely gets them over 300k miles.No doubt. Currently own a 16 Highlander and 16 Lexus GS450h. Wife’s Highlander has over 100k and drives like new. Her car before that was a Lexus ES350 that we traded in with 240k on the clock. Car was rock solid still and the only reason we let it go was we wanted an SUV.It’s a Toyota/Lexus thing. My little RAV4 has been amazing. 2012 model year, purchased used in 2015 with a shade under 50k miles for $14k. About to roll 190k miles, and the only thing it’s needed has been a water pump (which I did myself). I could likely get $8k for it today, 9 years and 140k miles later.You’re both correct. While LC’s are the kings of long term reliability, 4 Runners are just a step below. Both are tanks that hold their values very well.You’re thinking Land Cruiser- the other Toyota SUV.Go on and get the 4-runner.
20 years and 400,000 miles later, you can still sell it for $30,000.
But the LC’s are truly another level above that. They are designed with a 20yr expected life (most Toyota are built to 10yr standards). They are purposely over built to last forever.
Cost of ownership is often obscured as these things get absolutely **** gas mileage. Even the new hybrid versions are barely breaking 20 combined mpg. And I say this as a Tacoma owner that’s at 260k miles and 23 years old. I love that truck but I fully recognize the gas mileage is terrible and I have a used commuter car I use for more daily driving and save the Tacoma for hauling and moving stuff, etc.
You can definitely come out ahead in your example, just meant people often don't take the gas cost of ownership often into account (plus I just wish these vehicles got much better mileage as that's always been their major issue for me personally.) I've had other brands last well beyond 150K (and some not so much) that get considerably better gas mileage. But then were not really comparing apples and oranges as @dkp993 pointed out, most people needing a big vehicle like that, MPG is not high on the priority list. I'm probably rambling at this point, lord knows most consumers would rather go buy a giant truck or SUV that gets even worse gas mileage and will throw a rod at like 150K like you mentioned but they will have traded it in long before that for their next set of monthly payments.I’d argue that, and you just made my point for me. Your truck has 260k miles. Would you rather have a car that gets better mileage but only lasts 150k miles? Just like my 2012 rav4 with 190k miles that’s not really needed a thing (other than oil changes, brakes, tires and a water pump). My BIL loves land cruisers (literally having one shipped from Africa as it apparently just became legal here in the States), and routinely gets them over 300k miles.
I get random people offering to buy my Tacoma fairly often. Once came home with a sticky note on the window with someone saying to call them if I ever am thinking of selling it.You can definitely come out ahead in your example, just meant people often don't take the gas cost of ownership often into account (plus I just wish these vehicles got much better mileage as that's always been their major issue for me personally.) I've had other brands last well beyond 150K (and some not so much) that get considerably better gas mileage. But then were not really comparing apples and oranges as @dkp993 pointed out, most people needing a big vehicle like that, MPG is not high on the priority list. I'm probably rambling at this point, lord knows most consumers would rather go buy a giant truck or SUV that gets even worse gas mileage and will throw a rod at like 150K like you mentioned but they will have traded it in long before that for their next set of monthly payments.I’d argue that, and you just made my point for me. Your truck has 260k miles. Would you rather have a car that gets better mileage but only lasts 150k miles? Just like my 2012 rav4 with 190k miles that’s not really needed a thing (other than oil changes, brakes, tires and a water pump). My BIL loves land cruisers (literally having one shipped from Africa as it apparently just became legal here in the States), and routinely gets them over 300k miles.
Slightly different, but similar is because i don't keep a vehicle I thought high resale value was the most important part. This is why i went with a tacoma, however it is costing us at least a thousand extra dollars per year in fuel compared to alternatives.
You’ve got it.Has anyone ever done the buyout option of their lease and then sold the car to get market value? And then use that case to either purchase or begin a new lease?
I could have done it the last time my lease was up, but felt lazy to go through the process. My CX-5 lease will be up in November. It looks like my payoff amount will be $20,000. Looking online I'll probably be able to sell it for $25,000 or $26,000 at least. I could then use half of the amount the get into a new lease and pocket the rest. Is there anything I'm missing here other than to have to purchase the vehicle outright and then go through the process of selling it??
You can also bring it to a dealer where you are going to do the new lease and they can give you an offer for it. You won't get as much as private sale, but you're saving tax, time, and hassle. Then you decide if the amount difference is worth it to you.Has anyone ever done the buyout option of their lease and then sold the car to get market value? And then use that case to either purchase or begin a new lease?
I could have done it the last time my lease was up, but felt lazy to go through the process. My CX-5 lease will be up in November. It looks like my payoff amount will be $20,000. Looking online I'll probably be able to sell it for $25,000 or $26,000 at least. I could then use half of the amount the get into a new lease and pocket the rest. Is there anything I'm missing here other than to have to purchase the vehicle outright and then go through the process of selling it??
I did this the last time and made the sales guy "go back to his manager" four times to keep getting what I wanted. I also just did this to help my lady with her Subaru. It's a bit tiring and I get that you have to do it....You can also bring it to a dealer where you are going to do the new lease and they can give you an offer for it. You won't get as much as private sale, but you're saving tax, time, and hassle. Then you decide if the amount difference is worth it to you.Has anyone ever done the buyout option of their lease and then sold the car to get market value? And then use that case to either purchase or begin a new lease?
I could have done it the last time my lease was up, but felt lazy to go through the process. My CX-5 lease will be up in November. It looks like my payoff amount will be $20,000. Looking online I'll probably be able to sell it for $25,000 or $26,000 at least. I could then use half of the amount the get into a new lease and pocket the rest. Is there anything I'm missing here other than to have to purchase the vehicle outright and then go through the process of selling it??
They can then cut you a check for the equity. I would suggest NOT applying the money to the lease as it's just money lost if something were to happen to the vehicle. So, if the payoff is $20K, and they agree your car is worth $24K, for example, they'll just take the car from you, they'll do the payoff themselves and they keep the car, and they'll write you a check for $4K.
How much is gas where you live?! Is your alternative a Prius?You can definitely come out ahead in your example, just meant people often don't take the gas cost of ownership often into account (plus I just wish these vehicles got much better mileage as that's always been their major issue for me personally.) I've had other brands last well beyond 150K (and some not so much) that get considerably better gas mileage. But then were not really comparing apples and oranges as @dkp993 pointed out, most people needing a big vehicle like that, MPG is not high on the priority list. I'm probably rambling at this point, lord knows most consumers would rather go buy a giant truck or SUV that gets even worse gas mileage and will throw a rod at like 150K like you mentioned but they will have traded it in long before that for their next set of monthly payments.I’d argue that, and you just made my point for me. Your truck has 260k miles. Would you rather have a car that gets better mileage but only lasts 150k miles? Just like my 2012 rav4 with 190k miles that’s not really needed a thing (other than oil changes, brakes, tires and a water pump). My BIL loves land cruisers (literally having one shipped from Africa as it apparently just became legal here in the States), and routinely gets them over 300k miles.
Slightly different, but similar is because i don't keep a vehicle I thought high resale value was the most important part. This is why i went with a tacoma, however it is costing us at least a thousand extra dollars per year in fuel compared to alternatives.
This is my plan with my 24 Accord.Has anyone ever done the buyout option of their lease and then sold the car to get market value? And then use that case to either purchase or begin a new lease?
I could have done it the last time my lease was up, but felt lazy to go through the process. My CX-5 lease will be up in November. It looks like my payoff amount will be $20,000. Looking online I'll probably be able to sell it for $25,000 or $26,000 at least. I could then use half of the amount the get into a new lease and pocket the rest. Is there anything I'm missing here other than to have to purchase the vehicle outright and then go through the process of selling it??
Has anyone ever done the buyout option of their lease and then sold the car to get market value? And then use that case to either purchase or begin a new lease?
I could have done it the last time my lease was up, but felt lazy to go through the process. My CX-5 lease will be up in November. It looks like my payoff amount will be $20,000. Looking online I'll probably be able to sell it for $25,000 or $26,000 at least. I could then use half of the amount the get into a new lease and pocket the rest. Is there anything I'm missing here other than to have to purchase the vehicle outright and then go through the process of selling it??
How much is gas where you live?! Is your alternative a Prius?You can definitely come out ahead in your example, just meant people often don't take the gas cost of ownership often into account (plus I just wish these vehicles got much better mileage as that's always been their major issue for me personally.) I've had other brands last well beyond 150K (and some not so much) that get considerably better gas mileage. But then were not really comparing apples and oranges as @dkp993 pointed out, most people needing a big vehicle like that, MPG is not high on the priority list. I'm probably rambling at this point, lord knows most consumers would rather go buy a giant truck or SUV that gets even worse gas mileage and will throw a rod at like 150K like you mentioned but they will have traded it in long before that for their next set of monthly payments.I’d argue that, and you just made my point for me. Your truck has 260k miles. Would you rather have a car that gets better mileage but only lasts 150k miles? Just like my 2012 rav4 with 190k miles that’s not really needed a thing (other than oil changes, brakes, tires and a water pump). My BIL loves land cruisers (literally having one shipped from Africa as it apparently just became legal here in the States), and routinely gets them over 300k miles.
Slightly different, but similar is because i don't keep a vehicle I thought high resale value was the most important part. This is why i went with a tacoma, however it is costing us at least a thousand extra dollars per year in fuel compared to alternatives.
My RAV gets around 23 mpg. What are you getting from your Tacoma?Has anyone ever done the buyout option of their lease and then sold the car to get market value? And then use that case to either purchase or begin a new lease?
I could have done it the last time my lease was up, but felt lazy to go through the process. My CX-5 lease will be up in November. It looks like my payoff amount will be $20,000. Looking online I'll probably be able to sell it for $25,000 or $26,000 at least. I could then use half of the amount the get into a new lease and pocket the rest. Is there anything I'm missing here other than to have to purchase the vehicle outright and then go through the process of selling it??
How much is gas where you live?! Is your alternative a Prius?You can definitely come out ahead in your example, just meant people often don't take the gas cost of ownership often into account (plus I just wish these vehicles got much better mileage as that's always been their major issue for me personally.) I've had other brands last well beyond 150K (and some not so much) that get considerably better gas mileage. But then were not really comparing apples and oranges as @dkp993 pointed out, most people needing a big vehicle like that, MPG is not high on the priority list. I'm probably rambling at this point, lord knows most consumers would rather go buy a giant truck or SUV that gets even worse gas mileage and will throw a rod at like 150K like you mentioned but they will have traded it in long before that for their next set of monthly payments.I’d argue that, and you just made my point for me. Your truck has 260k miles. Would you rather have a car that gets better mileage but only lasts 150k miles? Just like my 2012 rav4 with 190k miles that’s not really needed a thing (other than oil changes, brakes, tires and a water pump). My BIL loves land cruisers (literally having one shipped from Africa as it apparently just became legal here in the States), and routinely gets them over 300k miles.
Slightly different, but similar is because i don't keep a vehicle I thought high resale value was the most important part. This is why i went with a tacoma, however it is costing us at least a thousand extra dollars per year in fuel compared to alternatives.
I used $3.50 for my analysis and compared the Tacoma to an SUV that averages 21 mpg, which is about what I expect to get.
Edit, sorry for the double quote. On my phone, can't fix.
My RAV gets around 23 mpg. What are you getting from your Tacoma?
mile/year $/Gal mile/gal $/mile $/year
Tacoma highway 10000 3.5 12 $0.29 $2,916.67
SUV highway 10000 3.5 21 $0.17 $1,666.67
Tacoma city 10000 3.5 15 $0.23 $2,333.33
SUV city 10000 3.5 24 $0.15 $1,458.33
Tacoma total $5,250.00
SUV total $3,125.00
Man, 12 mpg seems horribly low. I assume you have a V6? My late FIL had a 4 banger Tacoma and I drove it to Atlanta and back and was over 20 highway with a truck bed full of hand me down baby gear.My RAV gets around 23 mpg. What are you getting from your Tacoma?
I have a lead foot, and we take multiple long road trips from houston into the rockies every year, gaining tons of elevation with speed limits at 80mph(i go 90), typically the mpg sucks and does not come close to advertised numbers.
I average around 12 mpg on the highways on these road trips and 15 mpg at all other times. My wife does have a pilot, so i have a rough estimate on how much mpg i will get with an suv. Her pilot is FWD, with a low tow limit, no xm radio, no adaptive cruise, no lane depature, etc. Stuff i need when driving for 15 hours across desolate parts of the country.
I estimate a fuel savings of 2,000 dollars per year to be honest.
Code:mile/year $/Gal mile/gal $/mile $/year Tacoma highway 10000 3.5 12 $0.29 $2,916.67 SUV highway 10000 3.5 21 $0.17 $1,666.67 Tacoma city 10000 3.5 15 $0.23 $2,333.33 SUV city 10000 3.5 24 $0.15 $1,458.33 Tacoma total $5,250.00 SUV total $3,125.00
Man, 12 mpg seems horribly low. I assume you have a V6? My late FIL had a 4 banger Tacoma and I drove it to Atlanta and back and was over 20 highway with a truck bed full of hand me down baby gear.My RAV gets around 23 mpg. What are you getting from your Tacoma?
I have a lead foot, and we take multiple long road trips from houston into the rockies every year, gaining tons of elevation with speed limits at 80mph(i go 90), typically the mpg sucks and does not come close to advertised numbers.
I average around 12 mpg on the highways on these road trips and 15 mpg at all other times. My wife does have a pilot, so i have a rough estimate on how much mpg i will get with an suv. Her pilot is FWD, with a low tow limit, no xm radio, no adaptive cruise, no lane depature, etc. Stuff i need when driving for 15 hours across desolate parts of the country.
I estimate a fuel savings of 2,000 dollars per year to be honest.
Code:mile/year $/Gal mile/gal $/mile $/year Tacoma highway 10000 3.5 12 $0.29 $2,916.67 SUV highway 10000 3.5 21 $0.17 $1,666.67 Tacoma city 10000 3.5 15 $0.23 $2,333.33 SUV city 10000 3.5 24 $0.15 $1,458.33 Tacoma total $5,250.00 SUV total $3,125.00
Yeah, my household just swapped a Chevy Tahoe for a Subaru crosstrek, and at 1,000 miles a month I estimated the gas savings to be around $1k a year, maybe, at $3.50 a gallon.Man, 12 mpg seems horribly low. I assume you have a V6? My late FIL had a 4 banger Tacoma and I drove it to Atlanta and back and was over 20 highway with a truck bed full of hand me down baby gear.My RAV gets around 23 mpg. What are you getting from your Tacoma?
I have a lead foot, and we take multiple long road trips from houston into the rockies every year, gaining tons of elevation with speed limits at 80mph(i go 90), typically the mpg sucks and does not come close to advertised numbers.
I average around 12 mpg on the highways on these road trips and 15 mpg at all other times. My wife does have a pilot, so i have a rough estimate on how much mpg i will get with an suv. Her pilot is FWD, with a low tow limit, no xm radio, no adaptive cruise, no lane depature, etc. Stuff i need when driving for 15 hours across desolate parts of the country.
I estimate a fuel savings of 2,000 dollars per year to be honest.
Code:mile/year $/Gal mile/gal $/mile $/year Tacoma highway 10000 3.5 12 $0.29 $2,916.67 SUV highway 10000 3.5 21 $0.17 $1,666.67 Tacoma city 10000 3.5 15 $0.23 $2,333.33 SUV city 10000 3.5 24 $0.15 $1,458.33 Tacoma total $5,250.00 SUV total $3,125.00
Maybe it was 14, I know it is bad at 85+, you have me second guessing myself as I have not actually tracked the mileage since the first road trip.
Mine is the 4x4 sport with the stupid fake turbo hood scoop, I wanted the 4x4 off-road which has the slanted hood for better aerodynamics/visibility but they did not have it.
Besides fuel economy, the other problem with the hood design is it reflects light at many funny angles into the cabin. It is bad driving into sunset/sunrise like you expect, however it is also horrendous if you are driving south on any sunny day.
It's given me so many headaches on road trips the last few years. That is how I convinced my wife to let me sell the truck, she hates that too.
How much does one drive a year to get a vehicle to routinely accrue 300K miles?I’d argue that, and you just made my point for me. Your truck has 260k miles. Would you rather have a car that gets better mileage but only lasts 150k miles? Just like my 2012 rav4 with 190k miles that’s not really needed a thing (other than oil changes, brakes, tires and a water pump). My BIL loves land cruisers (literally having one shipped from Africa as it apparently just became legal here in the States), and routinely gets them over 300k miles.No doubt. Currently own a 16 Highlander and 16 Lexus GS450h. Wife’s Highlander has over 100k and drives like new. Her car before that was a Lexus ES350 that we traded in with 240k on the clock. Car was rock solid still and the only reason we let it go was we wanted an SUV.It’s a Toyota/Lexus thing. My little RAV4 has been amazing. 2012 model year, purchased used in 2015 with a shade under 50k miles for $14k. About to roll 190k miles, and the only thing it’s needed has been a water pump (which I did myself). I could likely get $8k for it today, 9 years and 140k miles later.You’re both correct. While LC’s are the kings of long term reliability, 4 Runners are just a step below. Both are tanks that hold their values very well.You’re thinking Land Cruiser- the other Toyota SUV.Go on and get the 4-runner.
20 years and 400,000 miles later, you can still sell it for $30,000.
But the LC’s are truly another level above that. They are designed with a 20yr expected life (most Toyota are built to 10yr standards). They are purposely over built to last forever.
Cost of ownership is often obscured as these things get absolutely **** gas mileage. Even the new hybrid versions are barely breaking 20 combined mpg. And I say this as a Tacoma owner that’s at 260k miles and 23 years old. I love that truck but I fully recognize the gas mileage is terrible and I have a used commuter car I use for more daily driving and save the Tacoma for hauling and moving stuff, etc.
There is still a ways to go to get back to pre-Covid levels, but we are well on our way. Spring 2019 industry had about 4.1M units in stock/transit. Fall 2021 the number dropped below 1M units. Currently a bit over 2.6M. So around a 50 day supply of inventory at current sales rates.There is a ridiculous amount of inventory out there and dealerships are making it seem like cars are scarce. Lol. So dumb. Can’t wait to see how much inventory they’re going to be stuck with when the 2025 models roll in.
He buys them used, generally with around 150-200k already on them. They apparently don’t depreciate as much after about 150k miles on them.How much does one drive a year to get a vehicle to routinely accrue 300K miles?I’d argue that, and you just made my point for me. Your truck has 260k miles. Would you rather have a car that gets better mileage but only lasts 150k miles? Just like my 2012 rav4 with 190k miles that’s not really needed a thing (other than oil changes, brakes, tires and a water pump). My BIL loves land cruisers (literally having one shipped from Africa as it apparently just became legal here in the States), and routinely gets them over 300k miles.No doubt. Currently own a 16 Highlander and 16 Lexus GS450h. Wife’s Highlander has over 100k and drives like new. Her car before that was a Lexus ES350 that we traded in with 240k on the clock. Car was rock solid still and the only reason we let it go was we wanted an SUV.It’s a Toyota/Lexus thing. My little RAV4 has been amazing. 2012 model year, purchased used in 2015 with a shade under 50k miles for $14k. About to roll 190k miles, and the only thing it’s needed has been a water pump (which I did myself). I could likely get $8k for it today, 9 years and 140k miles later.You’re both correct. While LC’s are the kings of long term reliability, 4 Runners are just a step below. Both are tanks that hold their values very well.You’re thinking Land Cruiser- the other Toyota SUV.Go on and get the 4-runner.
20 years and 400,000 miles later, you can still sell it for $30,000.
But the LC’s are truly another level above that. They are designed with a 20yr expected life (most Toyota are built to 10yr standards). They are purposely over built to last forever.
Cost of ownership is often obscured as these things get absolutely **** gas mileage. Even the new hybrid versions are barely breaking 20 combined mpg. And I say this as a Tacoma owner that’s at 260k miles and 23 years old. I love that truck but I fully recognize the gas mileage is terrible and I have a used commuter car I use for more daily driving and save the Tacoma for hauling and moving stuff, etc.
Granted, I live on an island, but may not have driven that much in my 36 years with a license.
Can’t imagine buying such high mileage vehicles, unless I was really into fixing things.He buys them used, generally with around 150-200k already on them. They apparently don’t depreciate as much after about 150k miles on them.How much does one drive a year to get a vehicle to routinely accrue 300K miles?I’d argue that, and you just made my point for me. Your truck has 260k miles. Would you rather have a car that gets better mileage but only lasts 150k miles? Just like my 2012 rav4 with 190k miles that’s not really needed a thing (other than oil changes, brakes, tires and a water pump). My BIL loves land cruisers (literally having one shipped from Africa as it apparently just became legal here in the States), and routinely gets them over 300k miles.No doubt. Currently own a 16 Highlander and 16 Lexus GS450h. Wife’s Highlander has over 100k and drives like new. Her car before that was a Lexus ES350 that we traded in with 240k on the clock. Car was rock solid still and the only reason we let it go was we wanted an SUV.It’s a Toyota/Lexus thing. My little RAV4 has been amazing. 2012 model year, purchased used in 2015 with a shade under 50k miles for $14k. About to roll 190k miles, and the only thing it’s needed has been a water pump (which I did myself). I could likely get $8k for it today, 9 years and 140k miles later.You’re both correct. While LC’s are the kings of long term reliability, 4 Runners are just a step below. Both are tanks that hold their values very well.You’re thinking Land Cruiser- the other Toyota SUV.Go on and get the 4-runner.
20 years and 400,000 miles later, you can still sell it for $30,000.
But the LC’s are truly another level above that. They are designed with a 20yr expected life (most Toyota are built to 10yr standards). They are purposely over built to last forever.
Cost of ownership is often obscured as these things get absolutely **** gas mileage. Even the new hybrid versions are barely breaking 20 combined mpg. And I say this as a Tacoma owner that’s at 260k miles and 23 years old. I love that truck but I fully recognize the gas mileage is terrible and I have a used commuter car I use for more daily driving and save the Tacoma for hauling and moving stuff, etc.
Granted, I live on an island, but may not have driven that much in my 36 years with a license.
I had a span of my career (8+ yrs) where I was driving 30k+ a year. Still do an easy 20k.How much does one drive a year to get a vehicle to routinely accrue 300K miles?I’d argue that, and you just made my point for me. Your truck has 260k miles. Would you rather have a car that gets better mileage but only lasts 150k miles? Just like my 2012 rav4 with 190k miles that’s not really needed a thing (other than oil changes, brakes, tires and a water pump). My BIL loves land cruisers (literally having one shipped from Africa as it apparently just became legal here in the States), and routinely gets them over 300k miles.No doubt. Currently own a 16 Highlander and 16 Lexus GS450h. Wife’s Highlander has over 100k and drives like new. Her car before that was a Lexus ES350 that we traded in with 240k on the clock. Car was rock solid still and the only reason we let it go was we wanted an SUV.It’s a Toyota/Lexus thing. My little RAV4 has been amazing. 2012 model year, purchased used in 2015 with a shade under 50k miles for $14k. About to roll 190k miles, and the only thing it’s needed has been a water pump (which I did myself). I could likely get $8k for it today, 9 years and 140k miles later.You’re both correct. While LC’s are the kings of long term reliability, 4 Runners are just a step below. Both are tanks that hold their values very well.You’re thinking Land Cruiser- the other Toyota SUV.Go on and get the 4-runner.
20 years and 400,000 miles later, you can still sell it for $30,000.
But the LC’s are truly another level above that. They are designed with a 20yr expected life (most Toyota are built to 10yr standards). They are purposely over built to last forever.
Cost of ownership is often obscured as these things get absolutely **** gas mileage. Even the new hybrid versions are barely breaking 20 combined mpg. And I say this as a Tacoma owner that’s at 260k miles and 23 years old. I love that truck but I fully recognize the gas mileage is terrible and I have a used commuter car I use for more daily driving and save the Tacoma for hauling and moving stuff, etc.
Granted, I live on an island, but may not have driven that much in my 36 years with a license.
How much does one drive a year to get a vehicle to routinely accrue 300K miles?I’d argue that, and you just made my point for me. Your truck has 260k miles. Would you rather have a car that gets better mileage but only lasts 150k miles? Just like my 2012 rav4 with 190k miles that’s not really needed a thing (other than oil changes, brakes, tires and a water pump). My BIL loves land cruisers (literally having one shipped from Africa as it apparently just became legal here in the States), and routinely gets them over 300k miles.No doubt. Currently own a 16 Highlander and 16 Lexus GS450h. Wife’s Highlander has over 100k and drives like new. Her car before that was a Lexus ES350 that we traded in with 240k on the clock. Car was rock solid still and the only reason we let it go was we wanted an SUV.It’s a Toyota/Lexus thing. My little RAV4 has been amazing. 2012 model year, purchased used in 2015 with a shade under 50k miles for $14k. About to roll 190k miles, and the only thing it’s needed has been a water pump (which I did myself). I could likely get $8k for it today, 9 years and 140k miles later.You’re both correct. While LC’s are the kings of long term reliability, 4 Runners are just a step below. Both are tanks that hold their values very well.You’re thinking Land Cruiser- the other Toyota SUV.Go on and get the 4-runner.
20 years and 400,000 miles later, you can still sell it for $30,000.
But the LC’s are truly another level above that. They are designed with a 20yr expected life (most Toyota are built to 10yr standards). They are purposely over built to last forever.
Cost of ownership is often obscured as these things get absolutely **** gas mileage. Even the new hybrid versions are barely breaking 20 combined mpg. And I say this as a Tacoma owner that’s at 260k miles and 23 years old. I love that truck but I fully recognize the gas mileage is terrible and I have a used commuter car I use for more daily driving and save the Tacoma for hauling and moving stuff, etc.
Granted, I live on an island, but may not have driven that much in my 36 years with a license.
I mean little stuff will need fixing/tinkering, but he enjoys it. He’s got a Miata that he’s totally rebuilt currently. That said, I think the most involved fix he’s had to do was brake lines - but on a car with ~12” of ground clearance it wasn’t that bad. The V8s they put in them can quite literally last forever.Can’t imagine buying such high mileage vehicles, unless I was really into fixing things.He buys them used, generally with around 150-200k already on them. They apparently don’t depreciate as much after about 150k miles on them.How much does one drive a year to get a vehicle to routinely accrue 300K miles?I’d argue that, and you just made my point for me. Your truck has 260k miles. Would you rather have a car that gets better mileage but only lasts 150k miles? Just like my 2012 rav4 with 190k miles that’s not really needed a thing (other than oil changes, brakes, tires and a water pump). My BIL loves land cruisers (literally having one shipped from Africa as it apparently just became legal here in the States), and routinely gets them over 300k miles.No doubt. Currently own a 16 Highlander and 16 Lexus GS450h. Wife’s Highlander has over 100k and drives like new. Her car before that was a Lexus ES350 that we traded in with 240k on the clock. Car was rock solid still and the only reason we let it go was we wanted an SUV.It’s a Toyota/Lexus thing. My little RAV4 has been amazing. 2012 model year, purchased used in 2015 with a shade under 50k miles for $14k. About to roll 190k miles, and the only thing it’s needed has been a water pump (which I did myself). I could likely get $8k for it today, 9 years and 140k miles later.You’re both correct. While LC’s are the kings of long term reliability, 4 Runners are just a step below. Both are tanks that hold their values very well.You’re thinking Land Cruiser- the other Toyota SUV.Go on and get the 4-runner.
20 years and 400,000 miles later, you can still sell it for $30,000.
But the LC’s are truly another level above that. They are designed with a 20yr expected life (most Toyota are built to 10yr standards). They are purposely over built to last forever.
Cost of ownership is often obscured as these things get absolutely **** gas mileage. Even the new hybrid versions are barely breaking 20 combined mpg. And I say this as a Tacoma owner that’s at 260k miles and 23 years old. I love that truck but I fully recognize the gas mileage is terrible and I have a used commuter car I use for more daily driving and save the Tacoma for hauling and moving stuff, etc.
Granted, I live on an island, but may not have driven that much in my 36 years with a license.
You can't do much more than go through a visual checklist unfortunately. Our dealership does them quite often for people when they are looking somewhere else. You would however be surprised with how many things we find, especially if they are looking at one from a small used car lot. There is usually a reason the vehicle is a lot "cheaper" than what we are selling a similar one for.Hey any advice on a pre-purchase inspection for a used car? I'm looking at a 2016 Durango, and I called a service place close by to that dealer I'd be buying from. They do multi point inspections for like 190. It sounds like they are just going through a checklist pretty much visually. Is this even worth my time and money? should I be asking for something else specifically?
Is it one of those belt-driven transmissions? I have one in my 2015 Forester and was told to expect it to die around 50k miles. I'm over 90k and no problems, but I still expect it.Transmission is starting to high whine. I’m not happy about it.Anyone drive a VW SUV? My 2015 Outback is dying so looking for an immediate replacement. VW has a 0% 60 month finance deal right now on Tiguans. I know there will be a significant tweak to this model for 2025, but wondering if anyone has any familiarity with either the 2024 Tiguan, Atlas, or Taos. TIA
head gasket issue?
2015 is not very old for an outback to die
Seems a little generous, but they might be able get $8000-9000 with a new transmission.Just traded in my 2015 Outback with a transmission starting to go and 135k miles. I got $6,400 for it. Does that seem generous to anyone else? Is the used car market still crazy too?
Yep.Is it one of those belt-driven transmissions? I have one in my 2015 Forester and was told to expect it to die around 50k miles. I'm over 90k and no problems, but I still expect it.Transmission is starting to high whine. I’m not happy about it.Anyone drive a VW SUV? My 2015 Outback is dying so looking for an immediate replacement. VW has a 0% 60 month finance deal right now on Tiguans. I know there will be a significant tweak to this model for 2025, but wondering if anyone has any familiarity with either the 2024 Tiguan, Atlas, or Taos. TIA
head gasket issue?
2015 is not very old for an outback to die
Can't go wrong with Toyota or Honda imo ... although every brand has quality issues, these brands seem to have the fewest.We’re finally exploring options to replace our larger vehicle. The 2011 odyssey still runs at 170,000 miles but we’re ready to consider a new vehicle as this is our long trip vehicle.
We have an appointment at the local Toyota dealer Saturday to check the grand highlander. We’re 90% sold that this will be the vehicle. But I’m quite happy to wait and get it decked out exactly how we want it.
Is Costco still a really good way to get the best deals? I don’t care to negotiate too much, I hate that part but will shop around and we’re not in a rush.
This thing is going to cost over $50k easy, but will probably last us until the youngest graduates college in 13ish years. Our 2007 highlander is still going strong - son 2 drives it.
I’m not sure if we’ll trade in the odyssey or sell it.
What do I need to know?
If you don't care about the 3rd row I would look into a Honda Passport. Just about as big as a PILOT - no third row and a tad more comfier imoCan't go wrong with Toyota or Honda imo ... although every brand has quality issues, these brands seem to have the fewest.We’re finally exploring options to replace our larger vehicle. The 2011 odyssey still runs at 170,000 miles but we’re ready to consider a new vehicle as this is our long trip vehicle.
We have an appointment at the local Toyota dealer Saturday to check the grand highlander. We’re 90% sold that this will be the vehicle. But I’m quite happy to wait and get it decked out exactly how we want it.
Is Costco still a really good way to get the best deals? I don’t care to negotiate too much, I hate that part but will shop around and we’re not in a rush.
This thing is going to cost over $50k easy, but will probably last us until the youngest graduates college in 13ish years. Our 2007 highlander is still going strong - son 2 drives it.
I’m not sure if we’ll trade in the odyssey or sell it.
What do I need to know?
Is there a reason you are considering the Grand Highlander over another Odyssey ... or a Honda Pilot?