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VarsityBlues123
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FUBAR
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as much as I do like Clay, nope. Bills wanted to ensure they got him. They did. Hope he's worth it.
voiceofunreason
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Man that is a stupid contract. I thought Clay was underrated but in no way is he worth that much. Worse than the total amount is front-loading it like they did. Miami was never going to match anyways.
Run It Up
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cstu
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The Jags gave Thomas $24M guaranteed and he'll get paid $21M for the first two years (including signing bonus). The rest of his deal is 3 years/$25M.
Clay is getting $20M guaranteed and he'll get paid $24.2M for the first two years (including signing bonus). The rest of his deal is 3 years/$13.8M.
Clay's deal is front loaded so the Bills will pay $3.2M more for the first two years, but his salary after that is $3.7M a year cheaper than Thomas.
VarsityBlues123
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they aint paying this much for a blocker and why did rex want this guy so bad if he could of made the same play for thomas? what is it that clay does so well that rex is willing to spray his cash all over clays face?
Clay has more balanced skills between blocking & receiving that Rex wants. Scott Chandler was good receiver but poor blocker. Clay not the downfield threat of a Thomas but better blocker since he started as a FB and Bills still going run a bunch.
FUBAR
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pretty much this plus JT, as good as he is downfield, is not as good a short yardage receiver. Presumably Rex believes Clay fits his offense better.
VarsityBlues123
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he has shown signs of good talent but that can get lost in miami not being a focal point. where does his value sit now. im pretty sure his targets should go up based off this signing and few receiving options in buffalo. the past two years in miami clay had 102 and 84 targets if he can get 115 targets we can see 75/900/7 which is what kelce put up this past season roughly. Clay did have 69/759/6 on 102 targets in 2013. 102 targets were good for 7th in 2013 and if he did have 115 last year that would have been good for 5th just ahead of delaine walker so not impossible.
Evil G
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From a football, not Fantasy perspective, that is INSANE money being offered to Clay.
From the Fantasy side of things, I think he can't repeat even his TE2/Flex numbers in Buffalo. Or if he does, that's about the ceiling.
If he does make it to Buffalo, I think the guy I like to emerge from the smoke is Dion Sims. He could be a guy that puts up Clay's numbers right away, or be useful as an FA pick up in March as speculative bait.
From the Fantasy side of things, I think he can't repeat even his TE2/Flex numbers in Buffalo. Or if he does, that's about the ceiling.
If he does make it to Buffalo, I think the guy I like to emerge from the smoke is Dion Sims. He could be a guy that puts up Clay's numbers right away, or be useful as an FA pick up in March as speculative bait.
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VarsityBlues123
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chandler was a top 20 te in buffalo last year on few targets with bad qbs and less talent in standard ppr. i see that as a person with more talent and making clays money to get more opportunity than chandler did. so being in the top 20 in a 12 team league is definition of te2 and chandler did that in buffalo.
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Evil G
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Let's imagine 60 for 700 and 6, as a rough estimation of what Clay does in Buffalo, as a balance of slightly increased opportunity, slightly weaker QB play, and commitment to the run/weather/adjustment to a new system. So sure, TE2. Not useless. I am guessing that's the ceiling, is all.
And heck, Mike Rivera is going to put that up this year. Nobody would pay him Clay's money, and nobody wants him in my leagues. Just sayin.
FUBAR
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Clay can be a top 10 TE in Buffalo, though he's probably closer to 10 than 5. He's very much in the tier of Heath Miller, Cook, Walker, etc. He could have been top 5 in another offense (I'm disappointed NO didn't go after him). But I would agree that he doesn't have top 5 upside in Buffalo. At least until they get a QB.
When Cameron misses games, Sims will do well. Maybe even as their TE2. But with JC in town he isn't worth much.
VarsityBlues123
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so you let what other people think of a player drive your value of him? so if he puts up 60/700/6 that is a 166 points in standard ppr. would have been good for 6th last year, if you or other owners dont want that value i dont know what to tell you. rivera isnt a bad te if people dont value him because there isnt enough hype that is their problem too.
cstu
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60/650 he could possibly get, but 6 TD's is a lot. The Bills added Harvin and replaced Spiller with McCoy but have Cassel at QB.
GroveDiesel
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Thomas benefits immensely from having Manning. My bet is that if you swapped Clay and Thomas last year, their stats would pretty much flip as well. Clay drops less passes, causes more missed tackles and is a MUCH better blocker than Thomas.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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If Clay plays out all five years this will look like a pretty good contract. Especially given the expected size of the cap from 2017-2019. If he's done in a year or two it's pretty bad.
Todem
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Like I said I liked Clay. Gutsy player. Has great hands. But he is not a game changer by any stretch. Undersized compared to the better TE's in the league. And the fact we signed Jordan Cameron made him expendable. That would not be a good contract for the Dolphins and their current state. They have a lot of holes to fill. Signing another TE to that kind of money would not be money well spent for the Fins. Maybe he goes on and becomes a star for the Bills....then the contract looks great. But I don't think you will see much more production than what he did in 2013. That to me is who he is. A solid pass catcher. But I don't see a very high ceiling.
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gianmarco
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If they can use him properly, he has plenty of athleticism to put up numbers:
Clay Highlights
Also, to give an idea of how far under the radar he's mostly been:
Dennis Pitta's best season: 61/669/7 (in 2012)
Charles Clay's best season: 69/759/7 (in 2013)
Both accomplished those seasons in their 3rd year, both finished TE8 in their respective seasons, except Clay was 3 yrs younger when he did it than Pitta.
Pitta was considered a TE to target after his season and Clay has mostly been an afterthought amongst the FF community. The fact that Miami tagged him like they did and Buffalo paid a ton to make sure they got him shows that the NFL thinks more of him than we do.
Clay Highlights
Also, to give an idea of how far under the radar he's mostly been:
Dennis Pitta's best season: 61/669/7 (in 2012)
Charles Clay's best season: 69/759/7 (in 2013)
Both accomplished those seasons in their 3rd year, both finished TE8 in their respective seasons, except Clay was 3 yrs younger when he did it than Pitta.
Pitta was considered a TE to target after his season and Clay has mostly been an afterthought amongst the FF community. The fact that Miami tagged him like they did and Buffalo paid a ton to make sure they got him shows that the NFL thinks more of him than we do.
Todem
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There is a lot to say about age and athleticism. And that is why teams either look super smart or superbly dumb in free agency. Remains to be seen if the Bills overpaid.
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gianmarco
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A lot of TEs are certainly bigger, but there are plenty of good pass-catching TEs his size and smaller that have done just fine in the NFL.
Charles Clay -- 6'3, 255
Antonio Gates -- 6'4, 255
Jordan Reed -- 6'2, 237
Aaron Hernandez -- 6'1, 245
Owen Daniels -- 6'3, 245
D. Allen -- 6'3, 265
Bigger than all but Gates and Allen (1 inch shorter and 10 lbs lighter, respectively). He's not that undersized that it would keep him from succeeding. He's not Gronk or Graham, but that list shows guys that have put up pretty big seasons and/or pretty decent fantasy seasons that shouldn't be ignored.
GroveDiesel
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The route he runs into the endzone at about the 1:30 mark is unreal.
The thing to like about Clay in those highlights is that he's often too fast for the LBers and too big for the DBs. You see him burning multiple LBers deep and using his body to shield DBs from the ball. That's the type of weapon that keeps teams from being able to stack the box.
Papa John's
Footballguy
Love all of BUF's moves. The problem is they still don't have the most important position in all of sports filled. Without a QB, while sad, the talent of all these guys (except maybe shady) is going to be squandered.
identikit
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Shutout
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Team Smokin'
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Another Gronk owner here rolling out Clay in his stead this week. I expect good things, chose him over Daniels which wasn't hard.
