Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I wouldn't judge this pick too much on a Hollywood movie. Clark has more speed, a better glove and a better arm. Plus he's a left handed hitter that fits the park. It's a best ball move, not a money ball move.
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DETROIT TIGERS OFFICIAL: We are decent!!!! (1 Viewer)
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FishTacoTuesday
Footballguy
Austin Meadows has played 42 games as a Tiger. Isaac Parades has hit 40 homers as a Ray. 
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Trade deadline is 6pm. Let's hope Harris is better than Avila at these things. Pretty low bar to achieve that.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
I think getting Hao-Yu Lee for Lorenzen will prove to be a great move in time. Doesn't make up for the botched Rodriguez deal unfortunately.
whoknew
Footballguy
So trade him. Get SOMETHING. Now ... they lose an asset for nothing. Huge mistake.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Yeah neither one would be here in the first place without Al Avila, the gift that just keeps on giving.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Maybe E-Rod won't opt out? Sure, it seems ridiculous, but so does turning down a trade from the Tigers to the Dodgers.
whoknew
Footballguy
"Andrew Friedman said the Dodgers were surprised that Eduardo Rodriguez vetoed the trade
They hadn’t been directly told he would waive his NTC by the Tigers or ERod’s agent, but they didn’t know it would be an issue until it came time to complete the deal."
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Sure seems like Harris got caught with his pants down.
They hadn’t been directly told he would waive his NTC by the Tigers or ERod’s agent, but they didn’t know it would be an issue until it came time to complete the deal."
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Sure seems like Harris got caught with his pants down.
Moonlight
Footballguy
There was all that strangeness last year with E-Rod. He was on an indefinite leave of absence dealing with family issues. Tigers seemed to stand by him.
Maybe, just maybe he would prefer to stay with Detroit. Regardless there were communication problems or unfounded assumptions on the Tigers part.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I heard on The Ticket this morning that he likes it here. Maybe he likes pitching in non-stressful games.
If he stays next three years he will have made 77 million in Detroit. Not counting he has already made around 28 million before he came. That seem like enough to scrape by on.
We need Baez to opt out!
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Just watched the post game where they asked E-Rod a bunch about the whole trade thing. He seemed evasive but at the same time said "stay here" a half dozen times, always mentioning his family.
Moonlight
Footballguy
Get the sense Avila got snookered. Players have to pass physical exams to validate a trade but how do mental health issues get evaluated?Austin Meadows has played 42 games as a Tiger. Isaac Parades has hit 40 homers as a Ray.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Get the sense Avila got snookered. Players have to pass physical exams to validate a trade but how do mental health issues get evaluated?Austin Meadows has played 42 games as a Tiger. Isaac Parades has hit 40 homers as a Ray.
On paper it seemed like a good deal as Meadows just came off a very solid season.
The Rays had to know something was up as they don`t trade away cheap young players. That is how they build their teams.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Playing CF with Greene in RF.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
These guys gave the Cubs headaches the past three days.
Greene, Torkelson and Carpenter are problems.
Greene, Torkelson and Carpenter are problems.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Listening to a National BB Show today and they were talking about Cabrera vs Verlander, and then how bad the Tigers got fleeced in the Verlander trade.
Then they started talking about Cabrera, or how bad he has been. One guy said he can`t remember any star/HOF type of player who has had a worse 7 years to finish his career.
Miggy has only 64 HRs, 315 RBIs, 225 runs score and an OPS that went from a high of 1078, low of 887 before the last 7 years. Since the OPS has been low 700s, and last few years in the low 600s. Also been a minus WAR player last 7 years with a high of .02.
It was hard to believe that as a great of hitter he once was the last 7 years he has a WAR of a bench player.
Then they started talking about Cabrera, or how bad he has been. One guy said he can`t remember any star/HOF type of player who has had a worse 7 years to finish his career.
Miggy has only 64 HRs, 315 RBIs, 225 runs score and an OPS that went from a high of 1078, low of 887 before the last 7 years. Since the OPS has been low 700s, and last few years in the low 600s. Also been a minus WAR player last 7 years with a high of .02.
It was hard to believe that as a great of hitter he once was the last 7 years he has a WAR of a bench player.
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
This team needs an influx of offense in the worst way. Their record with an early lead is good as could be expected. Holten has shown promise out of the bullpen.
FishTacoTuesday
Footballguy
I really thought winning a series vs the Yankees would have really got the momentum back.
It’s just a solid team with three potential stars. They are better than I thought they’d be, but I’m still skeptical.
I think the franchise needs Casey Mize to be something, even a solid #3 starter. Skubal is a #2 and possible borderline ace. Manning seems to be a solid 4/5 and Erod might actually be back based on how he’s said the Tigers have treated him. If Mize can be good, that really brings the room together like the carpet on Big Lebowski.
Rant over, Go Tigers!
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Really think that if Miggy had taken care of his body and worked on his conditioning like say a guy like Albert Pujols he would be top 10 all time in hits and HRs.
FairWarning
Footballguy
They will finally move on after this season. He held their development back 2--3 years so ownership could sell tickets.
Moonlight
Footballguy
Ironic as the Tigers have had so much trouble finding a third baseman. Hopefully Harris can turn around this runaway bus.
FishTacoTuesday
Footballguy
dr Detroit is the ultimate glass is half full guy with the Tigers, I know.
I really enjoyed this season, hard to believe loving a team 10 games below .500 right?
Tarik Skubal is a legit #2 pitcher. He’s got an amazing arsenal, he’s young, and he’s a lefty. We got a gem here.
Kerry carpenter is a professional hitter. He’s not the next Kirk Gibson but he’s a perfectionist who treats hitting like a math problem. He’s a longterm solution at DH imo, he’s a 270/390/530 upside guy.
I don’t care much about the bullpen names and this is an area needing improving, but they did very well as a unit this year.
Jake Rogers! Well above average defense and 25 homers? Maybe 30 homers? All in!
Casey Mize is still a franchise piece, we need him to be a #3 or at worst, an innings eater.
No idea about Erod, not going there. Tork is a beast, I’m praying for our franchise jewel in Greene, to get well soon. He’s a WAR monster, just needs to not Jill himself. He’s 22, let’s get him to 30 please.
Love the Max Clarke pick, relax on Langford until we see five years of production. Willie Calhoun was also the next Babe Ruth.
Manning is snake bitten, Jackson Jobe will be playing in the Arizona Fall League, and some of Avila’s prospects are working out.
Solid B season
I really enjoyed this season, hard to believe loving a team 10 games below .500 right?
Tarik Skubal is a legit #2 pitcher. He’s got an amazing arsenal, he’s young, and he’s a lefty. We got a gem here.
Kerry carpenter is a professional hitter. He’s not the next Kirk Gibson but he’s a perfectionist who treats hitting like a math problem. He’s a longterm solution at DH imo, he’s a 270/390/530 upside guy.
I don’t care much about the bullpen names and this is an area needing improving, but they did very well as a unit this year.
Jake Rogers! Well above average defense and 25 homers? Maybe 30 homers? All in!
Casey Mize is still a franchise piece, we need him to be a #3 or at worst, an innings eater.
No idea about Erod, not going there. Tork is a beast, I’m praying for our franchise jewel in Greene, to get well soon. He’s a WAR monster, just needs to not Jill himself. He’s 22, let’s get him to 30 please.
Love the Max Clarke pick, relax on Langford until we see five years of production. Willie Calhoun was also the next Babe Ruth.
Manning is snake bitten, Jackson Jobe will be playing in the Arizona Fall League, and some of Avila’s prospects are working out.
Solid B season
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FishTacoTuesday
Footballguy
Our #1 prospect (top 15 in mlb) Colt Keith will have every opportunity to be the starter at 3B next season. He’s very mature for his age (22), and has a good head for the game. He also mashes baseballs, and he’s gonna hit. Very high floor player, he’ll be around awhile.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
I guess there’s reason to be optimistic but think we need a legit Ace and a Superstar bat (don’t think it’s Tork or Green but they both seem like 10+ year starters)
Honestly didn’t watch much and haven’t followed farm closely, so maybe we’re better off than I think
This division is generally weak though so possible we could contend next year
Think it’s time for Chris to open the pocketbook as well for some quality FA, although gonna need some money in a few years for our guys
Honestly didn’t watch much and haven’t followed farm closely, so maybe we’re better off than I think
This division is generally weak though so possible we could contend next year
Think it’s time for Chris to open the pocketbook as well for some quality FA, although gonna need some money in a few years for our guys
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
+12 games from last year going from 66 to 78 wins. If they can get into the mid 80s it might be enough to win the division. As mentioned they could use another bat and maybe another arm. Miggys money being off the books so no excuses for the owner and GM to not step it up.
FishTacoTuesday
Footballguy
I think they need to give Skubal a six year contract or thereabouts. Buy his last two years of arbitration ($2.1 mill for next year), and give him 6/$70m or so.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Detroit Tigers release TV, radio schedules for spring training, plus broadcaster plans
The Detroit Tigers spring training schedule begins Feb. 24 against the Yankees at Joker Marchant Stadium in Lakeland, with the game on WXYT-AM radio.
www.freep.com
Spring training tv/radio schedule
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Season win total per DraftKings is 80.5, a little better than last year.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
A nice article in The Athletic on Casey Mize.
The dude has been through a lot with injuries, but still seems to have a good, positive attitude about his future.
Being the #1 overall pick will always put a spotlight on you, so his struggles have been magnified.
I hope he puts it together and has a good career.
The dude has been through a lot with injuries, but still seems to have a good, positive attitude about his future.
Being the #1 overall pick will always put a spotlight on you, so his struggles have been magnified.
I hope he puts it together and has a good career.
$tanley Cup
Footballguy
So I was doing some reading. Jace Jung and Colt Keith could be opening day starters. Keith is expected to be, but who is blocking Jung? Vierling? Not likely, and unless they sign a DH bat like Jorge Soler, they’ll need a DH anyway.
Meadows, canha, Greene, carpenter OF/DH rotation looks great. Be above average defensively at every position if carp is at DH.
Jung and Keith are big bats, but neither are great in the field. But I’d be surprised if one if not both hit right away. Plus the farm has more guys coming, I hope my tempered optimism works out. Was fooled two years ago.
The pitching is the key though and it starts with the ace Skubal. Some have him as a cy contender, so let’s go! Mize is the difference in the staff being good or just meh. Maeda was a really smart addition imo and Manning, Olsen, Faedo, and Gipson-Long fighting for spots. Lots of good bullpen arms and Hinch manages his bullpen quite well imo.
Think the season comes down to the starters and then the young guys like Keith or Jung providing a spark, and for Greene and Tork to continue to progress while staying healthy.
$tanley Cup Enterprises recommends OVER 81.5 wins
Meadows, canha, Greene, carpenter OF/DH rotation looks great. Be above average defensively at every position if carp is at DH.
Jung and Keith are big bats, but neither are great in the field. But I’d be surprised if one if not both hit right away. Plus the farm has more guys coming, I hope my tempered optimism works out. Was fooled two years ago.
The pitching is the key though and it starts with the ace Skubal. Some have him as a cy contender, so let’s go! Mize is the difference in the staff being good or just meh. Maeda was a really smart addition imo and Manning, Olsen, Faedo, and Gipson-Long fighting for spots. Lots of good bullpen arms and Hinch manages his bullpen quite well imo.
Think the season comes down to the starters and then the young guys like Keith or Jung providing a spark, and for Greene and Tork to continue to progress while staying healthy.
$tanley Cup Enterprises recommends OVER 81.5 wins
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
As bad as the division is I’ll be happy if we are at least in contention in August, but would be nice to pull off a division win and have something
whoknew
Footballguy
Matt Chapman signs with the Giants for 3/$54 with a player opt-out after each of the first two seasons. That's so freaking annoying.
I've been on the sign Chapman bandwagon for a year. But I thought it was unrealistic because it would take $100mm. But now knowing it was only 3/$54 or maybe even 1/$18? Ugh. WHY DIDN'T THE TIGERS MOVE ON THAT?
(I realize maybe they did and he had no interest. But players usually go to the highest money offer)
I've been on the sign Chapman bandwagon for a year. But I thought it was unrealistic because it would take $100mm. But now knowing it was only 3/$54 or maybe even 1/$18? Ugh. WHY DIDN'T THE TIGERS MOVE ON THAT?
(I realize maybe they did and he had no interest. But players usually go to the highest money offer)
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
He's not coming north to start the season but Jackson Jobe will be both real and spectacular. 
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I'm willing to bet he doesn't make the opening day roster. Canha, Meadows, Greene will be the starting outfield. Carpenter DH/OF with Viierling as the bench.How the hell is Badoo still on this team???
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Projected opening day lineup according to fangraphs:
Parker Meadows CF
Riley Greene RF
Spencer Torkelson 1B
Kerry Carpenter DH
Mark Canha LF
Colt Keith 2B
Javier Baez SS
Gio Urshela 3B
Jake Rogers C
Bench
Carson Kelly
Andy Ibanez
Zach McKinstry
Matt Viierling
Parker Meadows CF
Riley Greene RF
Spencer Torkelson 1B
Kerry Carpenter DH
Mark Canha LF
Colt Keith 2B
Javier Baez SS
Gio Urshela 3B
Jake Rogers C
Bench
Carson Kelly
Andy Ibanez
Zach McKinstry
Matt Viierling
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Projected SP rotation:
Tarik Skubal L
Kenta Maeda R
Jack Flaherty R
Casey Mize R
Reese Olson R
Bullpen:
Alex Lange R
Jason Foley R
Shelby Miller R
Andrew Chafin L
Beau Brieske R
Tyler Holton L
Joey Wentz L
Alex Faedo R
Tarik Skubal L
Kenta Maeda R
Jack Flaherty R
Casey Mize R
Reese Olson R
Bullpen:
Alex Lange R
Jason Foley R
Shelby Miller R
Andrew Chafin L
Beau Brieske R
Tyler Holton L
Joey Wentz L
Alex Faedo R
Chemical X
Footballguy
manning looked like he turned a corner this spring. as a 6th SP, you could do a lot worse. i actually like this staff more than the mets. baez and urshela are teh suck though.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
There was some talk of going to a 6 man rotation. If not, Manning makes for a good plug in case of the inevitable SP injury that these guys usually get.
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Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Yeah I can’t believe an MLB team is willingly rostering let alone starting Urshela
Eephus
Footballguy
Gio's a league average bat who can play anywhere in the infield in a pinch. Solid veteran clubhouse presence at a $1.5M salary.
You're right that he shouldn't be a starter but there are worse utility infielders.
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Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
On MLB Network it was mentioned that this is the first year without Cabrera since 2007. Out of curiosity I looked up the roster at baseball-reference.
Not a bad team, 88 wins--finished second to Cleveland.
One of the oldest teams I can recall seeing. Granderson was the only regular under 30. I-Rod was 35, Ordonez 33, and Sheffield was 38. They also had two pitchers over 40 in Jose Mesa and Kenny Rogers, as well as a 39 year old Todd Jones.
Not a bad team, 88 wins--finished second to Cleveland.
One of the oldest teams I can recall seeing. Granderson was the only regular under 30. I-Rod was 35, Ordonez 33, and Sheffield was 38. They also had two pitchers over 40 in Jose Mesa and Kenny Rogers, as well as a 39 year old Todd Jones.
