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[DYNASTY] Is Jonathan Stewart a buy low? (1 Viewer)
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The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Only needs 240 yards rushing today to reach 1000
EBF
Footballguy
Stew topped 800 rushing yards for the first time since 2009. Averaged 4.6 YPC and finished the season as a top 25 RB in basic PPR formats.
Hopefully this is just the prelude to bigger things in 2015 and not the high water mark.
Hopefully this is just the prelude to bigger things in 2015 and not the high water mark.
Sounds like the RBBC days are drawing to a close, so now it's just about his durability.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
EBF
Footballguy
He was a top 12 FF back from weeks 13-17, which is when his workload really spiked. That bodes well for next year.
There aren't many rookies or FAs who could displace him, so that's not a big worry.
The main thing will be staying healthy. As long as he can do that, the opportunity is there to have a big season.
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Alex P Keaton
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BassNBrew
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cstu
Footballguy
Faust
MVP
Jonathan Stewart not worried about losing carries to DeAngelo Williams:
http://espn.go.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/11487/jonathan-stewart-not-worried-about-losing-carries-to-williams
http://espn.go.com/blog/carolina-panthers/post/_/id/11487/jonathan-stewart-not-worried-about-losing-carries-to-williams
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Sorry. Go play the bash EBF game somewhere else. Because you're wrong here and EBF was right.
EBF said that Stewart is a talented player who'd excel if he weren't in a timeshare and/or injured.
And when Stewart wasn't in a timeshare or injured this year he looked great -- as he has every time that's been true.
EBF 1 - 0 APK, et al.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Let's remember that DeAngelo Williams had a great December in 2013, so most of us know that Carolina can produce great numbers out of a RB, but neither guy can seemingly stay healthy, and relying on that coaching staff to make either guy THE main RB over the long haul of a 16-game season is pretty risky. Stewart owners ought to be happy they got one last hurrah out of him this year.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
blah blah blah. EBF deserves credit for sticking to his guns on Stewart's talent, but that has never been Stewart's issue. And you know that. Enjoy your time riding EBF's jock.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I am selling high this off season
Dinsy Ejotuz
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MAC_32
Footballguy
just make sure to do it before the draft.
EBF
Footballguy
You know how this thread works. When Stewart is injured or struggling, all of the trolls emerge from hiding to dance on his grave.
But when there's any good news or he's actually doing well, it's radio silence.
This season has been almost the best that Stewart owners could've realistically hoped for.
That's where we are right now. We're starting to see some yield on the investment. He actually played a few meaningful games for me down the stretch this year. The table is set for him to reward our patience even further in 2015. With D-Will out of the picture and Stew entering the end of his athletic prime at 28-29, this is really the now-or-never moment. It's all about durability at this point. If you're a Stewart owner, you have to live in constant fear of him going down with another lower body injury every game. That means I really couldn't feel good about him as anything more than my RB3 going into next season. All the same, this season has been positive overall after the calamities of 2012 and 2013.
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Alex P Keaton
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Which is exactly what you've been doing in McFadden threads ever since he was drafted. I have no issues with your stance on Stewart - or McFadden - and generally enjoy reading your take on players. But it's brutal to see you continue to be a hypocrite. When it's your take on a player, you look for data to back up your position and assert that you were right. When someone disagrees with you, you pick apart nearly identical rationales. Why can't you just be clinical and impartial?
The whole Stewart situation reminds me of a boss from when I was a stock analyst. He was always super bullish on AIG stock. Years later, as AIG was tanking, this guy talked it up as a value stock.....all the way from peak to trough. When AIG finally hit rock bottom and bounced upward again (to a substantial degree, in fairness) this guy walked around thumping his chest about "how he had been right all along" and "finally his views were validated." It didn't matter that AIG stock had still fallen massively since his early "buy" ratings.
Dez
Footballguy
Stewart was a big reason I was able to take down a 288 team dynasty DFWC contest and win the overall title beating 287 teams. Stewart scored 50 pts in the 3 week playoffs and was a huge part of winning it all.
I drafted Stewart in the 3rd round in two different startups in 2010 and still own him in one league and while that league didn't do anything this year drafting Stewart in the 17th round of my startup this year helped lead to a $9,250 pay day for a $299 entry fee and an overall National championship out of 288 teams.
I drafted Stewart in the 3rd round in two different startups in 2010 and still own him in one league and while that league didn't do anything this year drafting Stewart in the 17th round of my startup this year helped lead to a $9,250 pay day for a $299 entry fee and an overall National championship out of 288 teams.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Traded for him after his rookie season and still have him. Already had DeAngelo.
Gave Ryan Grant and Michael Bush. Where are they now?
Gave Ryan Grant and Michael Bush. Where are they now?
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EBF
Footballguy
That's inevitable to some extent. I thought Trent Richardson was a great prospect. When he struggled in the NFL, I figured it was just a temporary blip and not a sign of his real quality. On the other hand, I thought Bishop Sankey was a suspect prospect before he was drafted. Now that he's struggling in the NFL, I take it as confirmation that he does indeed suck. When you develop an opinion on a player, you're going to tend to interpret new information in such a way that confirms what you already believed. Everyone does this. It's not a quality that's unique to me and it's hardly noteworthy.
As far as Jonathan Stewart goes, I don't see him as parallel with McFadden. McFadden has been given an extended run as a starter and most of the time he has sucked. That's an impartial reading of his career. Stewart has been stuck in a committee for almost his entire time in the NFL. He has been injured for the last few years. However, when healthy and given opportunities, he has been effective far more often than not. All I've really been saying in this thread all along is that if he gets healthy and gets an opportunity, he will produce. There is no real inconsistency or excuse-making involved with that. I actually consider it the most impartial reading of his career.
Any time you put your opinion out there, you are opening yourself up to the possibility of criticism. I've never shied away from it. It doesn't bother me. If anything, the predictable legion of trolls looking to deliver comeuppance makes this whole enterprise more entertaining. If they are going to pile it on every time Stew tweaks an ankle, of course it's only fair to do the same when he's putting up numbers. It's all part of the game. If someone that I've dogged like Kelvin Benjamin or Bishop Sankey lights it up, I know I'll take stick from his wounded fanboys. I would say Sankey is a waste of time and a bust and that it should be obvious by now, but many would disagree. I don't call that being biased. I call it having an opinion. That is not a crime. On the contrary, it's a large part of what FF is all about.
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
They had their Stewart moments too. They just aren't taking up a roster spot anymore.
az_prof
Footballguy
I agree with EBF. The difference between Stewart and McFadden is that McFadden has been given multiple opportunities to start and be featured and except for 2010 he has consistently failed. Stewart has been in a time share with a great talent his whole career and has only been given one opportunity to be the featured guy, 2013, when he got hurt. Despite his injuries, Stewart has performed better over the course of their careers as reflected in his career 4.6 yard per carry average compared to McFadden's 4.1.
whenever Stewart has a RB2 quality day.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Comparing their YPC is kind of irrelevant when McFadden has spent his entire career in Oakland while Stewart spent half of his behind one of the best run blocking lines of the modern era.az_prof said:
Granted I agree that McFadden is a bum, but while Stewart's situation has always sucked for being a fantasy stud due to the competition for carries, his situation has been amongst the best you could possibly ask for in terms of creating good per-carry numbers. A well rested, part-time player that spent the majority of his early career behind the best run blocking line in football.
EBF
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
He is ranked 15th all-time in YPC among 27 yo and younger RB's with 1000+ carries. Can't stay healthy? Yes. Average? No.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
And that's really the heart of it.
Want to bag on Stewart because he couldn't beat out a really good DeAngelo Williams? Ok, whatever floats your boat. Want to have a go at him because he's been hurt a lot? Fine.
But he's a 1st round pick from a deep deep RB draft with godlike measurables and exceptional on-field performance at the career level. IOW, there's zero support for the idea that he's average in an NFL sense.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
When I drop that carry requirement down to 800 DWilly is 6th on the list and Stew drops to 23rd.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Average would be somewhere in the 11-21 range.
Murray, Lynch, Bell, Forte, Foster, ADP, Charles, Hill, McCoy, Anderson, McCoy, Ellington, Lacy, Mason are all backs I would start right now ahead of Stewart. That's 14 backs and plenty of support that he's average.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
If we're going to play "pretend something isn't true" to make our case, I'll go with...
If he maintains his current averages and gets 230 touches next year he'll be #12 on the all-time list of guys with 1400 or more career touches. Right behind Tiki Barber and O.J. Simpson and ahead of Charlie Garner, Fred Taylor, Terrell Davis and Priest Holmes.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Oh, sure. [SIZE=14.2857141494751px]He's been an average fantasy back. [/SIZE]I thought we were talking talent.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
It'll be a hell of a thing if Stewart is still in a time share with Deangelo once Williams is off the team.
jurb26
Footballguy
Tolbert is still going to be there. Funny that you have been ignoring him through all this. They could also very easily draft a RB in this extremely deep class. Assuming Stewart is going to have this job to himself next season is seeing what you want to see.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
He can't even stay healthy in a committee. I can't imagine the Panthers want to go into the season with him as their workhorse all of a sudden.
White Lightning
Footballguy
Damn dude, do you have a twitter handle or something?Dez said:
Adam Harstad
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Setting discussion of Stewart's talent, health, or future situation aside for a moment...
DeAngelo Williams has missed the fantasy playoffs in three of the past seven seasons. From weeks 13-16 of those three seasons, Stewart has rushed for 86/464/3 (5.4 ypc), 84/433/1 (5.2 ypc), and 78/435/1 (5.6 ypc). He ranked as RB4, RB13, and RB9 during those playoff runs in standard, RB5, RB17, and RB10 in PPR. He's been a championship-decider.
Not really what people were hoping from him when they drafted him in the top 3 of that stacked 2008 rookie class, but that's still some quality value. Especially for the guys who managed to get him at a steep discount in recent seasons. In the FBGs staff dynasty league, he was drafted by Sigmund Bloom (huge pro-Stewart fan) in last year's startup. Sig dropped him earlier this year, and he was immediately snatched up by Jeff Tefertiller (another huge pro-Stewart fan). Then Tefertiller dropped him a few weeks later and I got him for free. He's already returned my investment of absolutely nothing several times over. Was Jonathan Stewart a great "buy low"? I guess that depends entirely on how low you bought.
DeAngelo Williams has missed the fantasy playoffs in three of the past seven seasons. From weeks 13-16 of those three seasons, Stewart has rushed for 86/464/3 (5.4 ypc), 84/433/1 (5.2 ypc), and 78/435/1 (5.6 ypc). He ranked as RB4, RB13, and RB9 during those playoff runs in standard, RB5, RB17, and RB10 in PPR. He's been a championship-decider.
Not really what people were hoping from him when they drafted him in the top 3 of that stacked 2008 rookie class, but that's still some quality value. Especially for the guys who managed to get him at a steep discount in recent seasons. In the FBGs staff dynasty league, he was drafted by Sigmund Bloom (huge pro-Stewart fan) in last year's startup. Sig dropped him earlier this year, and he was immediately snatched up by Jeff Tefertiller (another huge pro-Stewart fan). Then Tefertiller dropped him a few weeks later and I got him for free. He's already returned my investment of absolutely nothing several times over. Was Jonathan Stewart a great "buy low"? I guess that depends entirely on how low you bought.
squistion
Footballguy
And when you bought. Those in Dynasty leagues who rostered him when this thread started in April 2013 (or several years before based on the OP's constant pimping) have not had a particularly good return on their investment - unless they actually made it to their 2014 playoffs and then started him (Stewart owners in most of my leagues were on the sidelines starting Week 14).
It looks like 2015 will be different, however we have been down this road of unfulfilled promise/potential before. Problem now is that Stewart will be 28 in March and not that many RBs come to mind that have had a breakout year at that age or beyond. I own him in one league, so I am hoping that he does finally succeed.
Technically, Stewart already had a breakout year in 2009 with 1200+ total yds and 11 TDs, though at this point the ship may have sailed on him being a genuine lead back. Still, if you have him, you have to be mildly hopeful about next season.
