Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (6 Viewers)

[sushinsky4tsar]

Diggs trade ramifications?

Stroud to the moon. Kincaid and whatever WR lands in Buffalo right there behind him. Shakir probably belongs here too. Samuel became a lot more intriguing for the time being.

It has to be a bit of a hit for Diggs, Nico Collins, Tank Dell, and Schultz shares based solely on 3 quality WRs. Josh Allen too until somebody steps up to fill the void. Anyone else?

 

[IHEARTFF]

Diggs trade ramifications?

Stroud to the moon. Kincaid and whatever WR lands in Buffalo right there behind him. Shakir probably belongs here too. Samuel became a lot more intriguing for the time being.

It has to be a bit of a hit for Diggs, Nico Collins, Tank Dell, and Schultz shares based solely on 3 quality WRs. Josh Allen too until somebody steps up to fill the void. Anyone else?

Agree 100%. I posted almost the exact same thought in the Shakir thread.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It has to be a bit of a hit for Diggs, Nico Collins, Tank Dell, and Schultz shares based solely on 3 quality WRs. Josh Allen too until somebody steps up to fill the void. Anyone else?

I don’t see a hit to Schultz at all. I see a tight end that’s going to be wide open all game, or at least consistently matched up with undersized LB / safeties.

 

[pinkstapler]

Hard to say how much of a hit to Diggs until we see how the Texans run that offense, considering how the Bills changed their offense the last 4 weeks of the season. If they continued into 2024 focusing on the run and short passing game, Diggs was already taking a big hit staying there. His targets were cut in half over those last 4 weeks.

 

[menobrown]

Diggs trade ramifications?

If he plays like he did most of last year surprisingly little.

He'll knock down the volume of Nico and Tank so not a plus for them. He'll be a little help for Stroud but I think the main help will be that if/when Nico or Tank get hurt or miss time there won't be a major dropoff but I'll still call Stroud the big winner on the Texans with Mixon next. Diggs a massive loser.

All remaining Bills get a boost, I think Allen won't drop much if at all.

The biggest winner might whoever WR the Bills draft in round one and in turn depending on your league format that could heavily bolster the value of pick 4, 5 or later in SF leagues.

 

[joey]

I think I held onto Shakir in 3 leagues for 2+ years and finally couldn’t hold him anymore due to short bench formats. :(
Seems like musical chairs/dumb luck to whoever was lucky enough to most recently have picked him up off the free agent pile.

 

[efactor]

I think I held onto Shakir in 3 leagues for 2+ years and finally couldn’t hold him anymore due to short bench formats. :(
Seems like musical chairs/dumb luck to whoever was lucky enough to most recently have picked him up off the free agent pile.

I like Shakir more than most. A Diggs “mini me” as far as size and speed and he played really well last year. Kind of pigeonholed as a slot receiver but he can play outside.

Bills draft will be telling of course but lot of targets just became available.

 

[Buckna]

1.05 already got a bump with the Rice news, now 1.06 possibly gets bumped too. Buffalo almost certainly has got to make a move for a WR now in the draft, KC maybe less so given we don't know how things will play out with Rice but obviously still a strong possibility.

Overall Texans offense & Stroud gets a big bump, individuals like Nico & Tank go down in the short-term for sure. While it seemed likely Nico would get extended, now there's more uncertainty there.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

I think part of the lost value with Diggs is that he was one year removed from a 1400+ 11td season. I'm sure anyone holding him and probably at least one member in your league was holding out hope for the Allen-Diggs connection to get back on track and return to peak levels at least once before his age cliff. That dream died today. Hard to beat the situation that Diggs had before the turmoil. Only big time receiver in a pass happy offense where the other receiving options fit more of the "specialist" mold. Even if you're all in on Stroud and believe that the Texans passing game is heading to where Allen and the Bills were at their peak, there are too many mouths to feed to get Diggs to that same ceiling. That doesn't mean that he can't acclimate to his new team and reel off multiple quality fantasy seasons with the Texans. The move does take Buffalo winters out of the equation for 50% of his games during fantasy playoffs. On the other end of the spectrum, I think the guy will be seen as a diva WR no longer worth the headache around most NFL circles if things don't work out in Houston.

 

[beef]

I think part of the lost value with Diggs is that he was one year removed from a 1400+ 11td season. I'm sure anyone holding him and probably at least one member in your league was holding out hope for the Allen-Diggs connection to get back on track and return to peak levels at least once before his age cliff. That dream died today. Hard to beat the situation that Diggs had before the turmoil. Only big time receiver in a pass happy offense where the other receiving options fit more of the "specialist" mold. Even if you're all in on Stroud and believe that the Texans passing game is heading to where Allen and the Bills were at their peak, there are too many mouths to feed to get Diggs to that same ceiling. That doesn't mean that he can't acclimate to his new team and reel off multiple quality fantasy seasons with the Texans. The move does take Buffalo winters out of the equation for 50% of his games during fantasy playoffs. On the other end of the spectrum, I think the guy will be seen as a diva WR no longer worth the headache around most NFL circles if things don't work out in Houston.

Careful calling the Bills a pass happy offense. They were 8th in the league in running ratio.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

I think part of the lost value with Diggs is that he was one year removed from a 1400+ 11td season. I'm sure anyone holding him and probably at least one member in your league was holding out hope for the Allen-Diggs connection to get back on track and return to peak levels at least once before his age cliff. That dream died today. Hard to beat the situation that Diggs had before the turmoil. Only big time receiver in a pass happy offense where the other receiving options fit more of the "specialist" mold. Even if you're all in on Stroud and believe that the Texans passing game is heading to where Allen and the Bills were at their peak, there are too many mouths to feed to get Diggs to that same ceiling. That doesn't mean that he can't acclimate to his new team and reel off multiple quality fantasy seasons with the Texans. The move does take Buffalo winters out of the equation for 50% of his games during fantasy playoffs. On the other end of the spectrum, I think the guy will be seen as a diva WR no longer worth the headache around most NFL circles if things don't work out in Houston.

Careful calling the Bills a pass happy offense. They were 8th in the league in running ratio.

I'm speaking more to where the Bills were when Diggs was a top WR in fantasy. The writing might have been on the wall that the Bills offense was never getting back to that, but some portion of his value yesterday was tied to the hope that maybe he can patch things up with Allen and we see something that approaches that. That hope (however mistaken) being completely squashed does hurt his value in my opinion. I'm not saying he's now worth half of what he was yesterday on the trade market, but maybe $0.85-$0.90? I do think the top possible outcome of Diggs in '24 fantasy took a hit. Median outcome probably did as well, but there's certainly a world where the new scenery works out just fine for him, even with what looks to be greater target competition.

 

[candian fantasy guy]

I think I held onto Shakir in 3 leagues for 2+ years and finally couldn’t hold him anymore due to short bench formats. :(
Seems like musical chairs/dumb luck to whoever was lucky enough to most recently have picked him up off the free agent pile.

I feel the same about Samuel. Dumped him 3 leagues for the FFPC cut down. Actually kept Shakir over Samuel in one of them. But still, I feel like I might have made a big mistake.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

I think I held onto Shakir in 3 leagues for 2+ years and finally couldn’t hold him anymore due to short bench formats. :(
Seems like musical chairs/dumb luck to whoever was lucky enough to most recently have picked him up off the free agent pile.

Obviously comes down to opportunity costs, but I followed the same path on Shakir as I did with Gabe Davis. Both were on the waiver wire or passed around the league drop-add for the longest time. Gave them plenty of consideration based on their opportunity, but never pulled the trigger based on draft capital and industry "experts" not being sold on the talent. Missed out on free money with the opportunity to sell high for a quick profit. At the end of the day, I can live with missing out on both.

 

[Blick]

I think I held onto Shakir in 3 leagues for 2+ years and finally couldn’t hold him anymore due to short bench formats. :(
Seems like musical chairs/dumb luck to whoever was lucky enough to most recently have picked him up off the free agent pile.

Obviously comes down to opportunity costs, but I followed the same path on Shakir as I did with Gabe Davis. Both were on the waiver wire or passed around the league drop-add for the longest time. Gave them plenty of consideration based on their opportunity, but never pulled the trigger based on draft capital and industry "experts" not being sold on the talent. Missed out on free money with the opportunity to sell high for a quick profit. At the end of the day, I can live with missing out on both.

Its hard to buy into a guy that sat behind McKenzie, Crowder, and Beasley. Further, he likely to be fighting for playing time with Kincaid in the slot.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think I held onto Shakir in 3 leagues for 2+ years and finally couldn’t hold him anymore due to short bench formats. :(
Seems like musical chairs/dumb luck to whoever was lucky enough to most recently have picked him up off the free agent pile.

Not to mention Curtis Samuel's mediocre career as a 3rd option/gadget player who's bounced around suddenly being a top 2 receiving option in BUF.

I dealt him away for a 3rd round pick back when he was injured. I felt lucky to get that much for him.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think I held onto Shakir in 3 leagues for 2+ years and finally couldn’t hold him anymore due to short bench formats. :(
Seems like musical chairs/dumb luck to whoever was lucky enough to most recently have picked him up off the free agent pile.

I feel the same about Samuel. Dumped him 3 leagues for the FFPC cut down. Actually kept Shakir over Samuel in one of them. But still, I feel like I might have made a big mistake.

ha - almost the same story. I didn't see your post yet when I made almost the same comment.

 

[Lehigh98]

Draft season! Just started a new 12 team SF TEP dynasty startup!
OTC at #5 and first four picks were: Allen, Mahomes, Stroud, Richardson(?!)
Guess I better start my player research now!

 

[Birdie048]

Draft season! Just started a new 12 team SF TEP dynasty startup!
OTC at #5 and first four picks were: Allen, Mahomes, Stroud, Richardson(?!)
Guess I better start my player research now!

Just grab an out of date publication from an unknown source at WalMart to use as a guide!!
They have just as much chance as the “professionals”!!

 

[King of the Jungle]

I am looking to turn James Cook into a receiver or a draft pick. Has anyone come across any one-for-one trades in that regard in any of your leagues. He feels like a player that many are still not sold on even though his production last year was top 12 at a position of scarcity.

 

[menobrown]

I am looking to turn James Cook into a receiver or a draft pick. Has anyone come across any one-for-one trades in that regard in any of your leagues. He feels like a player that many are still not sold on even though his production last year was top 12 at a position of scarcity.

Not in my league but got a friend who told me he had offer of 1.5 for Cook a few weeks ago and was asking me if I thought he should take. I said yes, he did.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I am looking to turn James Cook into a receiver or a draft pick. Has anyone come across any one-for-one trades in that regard in any of your leagues. He feels like a player that many are still not sold on even though his production last year was top 12 at a position of scarcity.

Just saw cook listed as the 27th overall dynasty player and I’d be selling as fast as humanly possible on that hype.

 

[efactor]

I am looking to turn James Cook into a receiver or a draft pick. Has anyone come across any one-for-one trades in that regard in any of your leagues. He feels like a player that many are still not sold on even though his production last year was top 12 at a position of scarcity.

Just saw cook listed as the 27th overall dynasty player and I’d be selling as fast as humanly possible on that hype.

If Cook is the goal-line back this year or even in a role where it’s not automatic he comes out inside the 5, that may be a mistake. Hard guy to gauge for me right now. I know he’s on the small side, but automatically putting Murray in the game when they hit the green zone just seemed so foolish. Cook can run inside.

Depends on league size and how many RBs you have to start of course.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I am looking to turn James Cook into a receiver or a draft pick. Has anyone come across any one-for-one trades in that regard in any of your leagues. He feels like a player that many are still not sold on even though his production last year was top 12 at a position of scarcity.

Just saw cook listed as the 27th overall dynasty player and I’d be selling as fast as humanly possible on that hype.

If Cook is the goal-line back this year or even in a role where it’s not automatic he comes out inside the 5, that may be a mistake. Hard guy to gauge for me right now. I know he’s on the small side, but automatically putting Murray in the game when they hit the green zone just seemed so foolish. Cook can run inside.

Depends on league size and how many RBs you have to start of course.

I have been playing in the same dynasty league for close to 25 years and have always done well relying on strength of QB/WR and floating by at RB. Selling Cook now fits perfectly into what I have had success with. He is undersized and although I do not think he is absolutely replaceable, I think another early down/goal line back could easily force him into a 1B on the Bill’s. Even though RB is the weakest spot on my roster I find it easier to trade a receiver for a competent back in my league. My goal would be to turn him into a receiver and then trade a receiver for an upgrade at back in a package. Or I could package him with a current receiver to do the same. Just curious if anyone has seen any moves as I think he is close to peak value right now.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I am looking to turn James Cook into a receiver or a draft pick. Has anyone come across any one-for-one trades in that regard in any of your leagues. He feels like a player that many are still not sold on even though his production last year was top 12 at a position of scarcity.

Just saw cook listed as the 27th overall dynasty player and I’d be selling as fast as humanly possible on that hype.

If Cook is the goal-line back this year or even in a role where it’s not automatic he comes out inside the 5, that may be a mistake. Hard guy to gauge for me right now. I know he’s on the small side, but automatically putting Murray in the game when they hit the green zone just seemed so foolish. Cook can run inside.

Depends on league size and how many RBs you have to start of course.

I have been playing in the same dynasty league for close to 25 years and have always done well relying on strength of QB/WR and floating by at RB. Selling Cook now fits perfectly into what I have had success with. He is undersized and although I do not think he is absolutely replaceable, I think another early down/goal line back could easily force him into a 1B on the Bill’s. Even though RB is the weakest spot on my roster I find it easier to trade a receiver for a competent back in my league. My goal would be to turn him into a receiver and then trade a receiver for an upgrade at back in a package. Or I could package him with a current receiver to do the same. Just curious if anyone has seen any moves as I think he is close to peak value right now.

Exactly. I just don't see Cook as a special player. And their offense appears to be going in the wrong direction. I would move him on his current ranking/hype for a high pick or elite WR.

But like you, I would rather build around positions other than RB. I don't trust the Bills to use Cook at the stripe, and I suspect they'll bring in at least 1 more RB to serve in a complimentary role. Plus Allen is still a vulture.

ETA: regarding value, at the deadline last year I had Higgins hurt, and was making a playoff push. Another owner is obsessed with youth, so I dealt him Higgins + Cook for RS + Pittman. I felt like I won both legs of that deal.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I am looking to turn James Cook into a receiver or a draft pick. Has anyone come across any one-for-one trades in that regard in any of your leagues. He feels like a player that many are still not sold on even though his production last year was top 12 at a position of scarcity.

Just saw cook listed as the 27th overall dynasty player and I’d be selling as fast as humanly possible on that hype.

If Cook is the goal-line back this year or even in a role where it’s not automatic he comes out inside the 5, that may be a mistake. Hard guy to gauge for me right now. I know he’s on the small side, but automatically putting Murray in the game when they hit the green zone just seemed so foolish. Cook can run inside.

Depends on league size and how many RBs you have to start of course.

I have been playing in the same dynasty league for close to 25 years and have always done well relying on strength of QB/WR and floating by at RB. Selling Cook now fits perfectly into what I have had success with. He is undersized and although I do not think he is absolutely replaceable, I think another early down/goal line back could easily force him into a 1B on the Bill’s. Even though RB is the weakest spot on my roster I find it easier to trade a receiver for a competent back in my league. My goal would be to turn him into a receiver and then trade a receiver for an upgrade at back in a package. Or I could package him with a current receiver to do the same. Just curious if anyone has seen any moves as I think he is close to peak value right now.

Exactly. I just don't see Cook as a special player. And their offense appears to be going in the wrong direction. I would move him on his current ranking/hype for a high pick or elite WR.

But like you, I would rather build around positions other than RB. I don't trust the Bills to use Cook at the stripe, and I suspect they'll bring in at least 1 more RB to serve in a complimentary role. Plus Allen is still a vulture.

ETA: regarding value, at the deadline last year I had Higgins hurt, and was making a playoff push. Another owner is obsessed with youth, so I dealt him Higgins + Cook for RS + Pittman. I felt like I won both legs of that deal.

Good trade imo. Feels like the clock is ticking to trade him but I have a feeling a lot of my league mates feel the same way. I even consider moving him for Rashee Rice+ but that would be a huge risk at this point and I do not typically like housing guys with his behavior patterns/history.

 

[joey]

I am looking to turn James Cook into a receiver or a draft pick. Has anyone come across any one-for-one trades in that regard in any of your leagues. He feels like a player that many are still not sold on even though his production last year was top 12 at a position of scarcity.

I don’t roster him in dynasty but did in a redraft league last year where I had Cook and 2 other comparable options (Henry, Mostert) to fill 2 RB slots. Cook was sooooo inconsistent last year (look at his per game scoring) and he definitely lost me some games when I kept him in over, say, Henry (Henry wasn’t exactly a model of consistency for most of last year either) and he also lost me games after I got fed up and took him out (where he’d blow up on my bench).

All this to say that, after that experience, he’s not a player I value as an RB1 at all, even though he did finish top12 in your league’s scoring. (To be fair, the league where I rostered Cook is 0.5 ppr, and he finished RB19…which I would’ve guessed before I looked…ie bottom level RB2).

So I guess I’m saying that in dynasty, I’d put him in the C Kirk WR range fwiw.

 

[Dez]

I am looking to turn James Cook into a receiver or a draft pick. Has anyone come across any one-for-one trades in that regard in any of your leagues. He feels like a player that many are still not sold on even though his production last year was top 12 at a position of scarcity.

Just saw cook listed as the 27th overall dynasty player and I’d be selling as fast as humanly possible on that hype.

27th by who ?
His FFPC dynasty ADP in 1 QB league is 51 (albeit very early in the draft season so not many drafts so far)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I am looking to turn James Cook into a receiver or a draft pick. Has anyone come across any one-for-one trades in that regard in any of your leagues. He feels like a player that many are still not sold on even though his production last year was top 12 at a position of scarcity.

Just saw cook listed as the 27th overall dynasty player and I’d be selling as fast as humanly possible on that hype.

27th by who ?
His FFPC dynasty ADP in 1 QB league is 51 (albeit very early in the draft season so not many drafts so far)

I saw it on twitter - sorry-, forgot the publication.

 

[Rookiefever]

Well… I’m thinking about rebuilding since I won the championship last year and my teams getting old. I’d be looking at trading away Mixon, Kamara and Miller, amari cooper, Tyreek and kelce. I’m in a tough spot because I’m likely to repeat and a lot of these guys are likely to fall off real quick here.

The only real talks I’ve had were an offer of pick ten for Mixon and pick six plus maybe Pittman for Tyreek.

Any thoughts on value for these guys?

As someone who did exactly this, my suggestion is to target the 2025 draft.

Reason being, you’ll have ~4-5-6 competitive teams willing to give up picks to “go for it” after week 7-8-ish or before the deadline.

It’s also a year out, and those teams will give more than they would in this year’s draft.

That said, take Pittman + 1st now if it’s on the table.

And I’d also try to move Tryreek mow since he’s talking about a retirement after the 2025 season. But even that might be better to wait until teams know if they’re gonna go for it.

And in both those cases you could target 2025 picks instead.

But I’d wait on the rest and try to maximize value. If you’d get a 2024 1st, you might get a 2025 1st + 2nd, or 1st + 3rd

Just a thought.

The flip side is that his 'old' players are still performing at a very high level. I'd be very tempted to go for another 'ship in '24 and then start a full on rebuild in 25. If, for whatever reason, he comes out of the gate slow, then definitely start a mid-season rebuild.

I like this idea. Kelce, Hill and even Mixon should produce for one more year. Mixon is the riskiest of the bunch I think (having said that I won last year as well and I'm going to ride Mixon for one more year - I hope!).

The only thing stopping you from trading Hill or Kelce mid-season is injury and that is a risk for any player. The Mixon offer is the toughest as I'm not sure you can get more than a first even mid-season for Mixon. Tempting to take that deal now as its good value IMO. All depends on what your RB situation is like. Could always take a RB in teh draft or use that first rounder to make a deal for a younger guy.

I have no firsts this year. Picks 2.6 and 2.7 and two thirds. Also, I have gibbs, Kamara and Miller , Mixon at rb and a few dart throws. So theoretically I’m not terrible at rb if Miller ends up doing as well as I’m hoping he can.

 

[efactor]

What rookie pick would you all consider for Drake London in single QB, full PPR league? Would 1.7 and 1.13 do it for you?

 

[King of the Jungle]

What rookie pick would you all consider for Drake London in single QB, full PPR league? Would 1.7 and 1.13 do it for you?

He is one you probably need to overpay for as owners who drafted him have seen elite glimpses and now have high hopes that he finally gets a shot at top ten production with a competent QB. It really depends on how they view him compared to the incoming class of receivers. Personally I would probably need something in the top 3 picks to consider but I am probably higher on his prospects than most (and do not get overly feverish come draft time compared to most).

 

[Da Franchise]

What rookie pick would you all consider for Drake London in single QB, full PPR league? Would 1.7 and 1.13 do it for you?

Are trying to buy or sell? I’m a little lower than market on London and I love this draft class and that isn’t even close to make me click.

He should be compared to Marvin, Nabers, Odunze, and Bowers. I’d slot him behind all 3 WRs and Bowers is a wildcard. Some might prefer him to one or two of those names. Put it this way, if I had London I wouldn’t sell for 1.05 and 1.06. You’d have to give me a top 4 pick plus something else.

 

[efactor]

What rookie pick would you all consider for Drake London in single QB, full PPR league? Would 1.7 and 1.13 do it for you?

Are trying to buy or sell? I’m a little lower than market on London and I love this draft class and that isn’t even close to make me click.

He should be compared to Marvin, Nabers, Odunze, and Bowers. I’d slot him behind all 3 WRs and Bowers is a wildcard. Some might prefer him to one or two of those names. Put it this way, if I had London I wouldn’t sell for 1.05 and 1.06. You’d have to give me a top 4 pick plus something else.

Looking to buy

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

The hype on London is serious.

Not a good buy candidate right now. Far too much hopium

 

[JoeJoe88]

What rookie pick would you all consider for Drake London in single QB, full PPR league? Would 1.7 and 1.13 do it for you?

Wouldn’t be in the ballpark for me, especially in single QB.

 

[efactor]

What rookie pick would you all consider for Drake London in single QB, full PPR league? Would 1.7 and 1.13 do it for you?

Wouldn’t be in the ballpark for me, especially in single QB.

Interesting. I was worried it was too much considering how deep this draft is.

Appreciate the input. Thanks.

 

[ghostguy123]

What rookie pick would you all consider for Drake London in single QB, full PPR league? Would 1.7 and 1.13 do it for you?

Wouldn’t be in the ballpark for me, especially in single QB.

Interesting. I was worried it was too much considering how deep this draft is.

Appreciate the input. Thanks.

London is a 2nd round startup pick. Picks 7 and 13 would be a huge low-ball offer for London IMO.
In a startup I'm doing now London went pick 23.
We are at pick 58 right now and only 4 rookies are off the board

 

[efactor]

What rookie pick would you all consider for Drake London in single QB, full PPR league? Would 1.7 and 1.13 do it for you?

Wouldn’t be in the ballpark for me, especially in single QB.

Interesting. I was worried it was too much considering how deep this draft is.

Appreciate the input. Thanks.

London is a 2nd round startup pick. Picks 7 and 13 would be a huge low-ball offer for London IMO.
In a startup I'm doing now London went pick 23.
We are at pick 58 right now and only 4 rookies are off the board

OK but not sure where rookie WRs are being drafted in a start up before the NFL draft evens happens is a great indicator of value. Values will go up (or down) depending on landing spot. Of course London will be valued higher right now because he has some proven production and everyone is excited that he finally has an established QB, albeit an older one coming off a fairly serious injury.

Appreciate the input.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

I'm not sure Drake London's production thus far is something that warrants pick 23 in a startup, even accounting for the circumstances.

His value seems hugely inflated to me.

 

[menobrown]

He should be compared to Marvin, Nabers, Odunze, and Bowers. I’d slot him behind all 3 WRs and Bowers is a wildcard. Some might prefer him to one or two of those names.

Pretty much where I'm at and would only be repeating this and......

In a startup I'm doing now London went pick 23.

consensus seems to be on the same thought process and pick 23 is actually on the lower side of London's average. This is only based on 7 drafts so not a huge sample size but London is going as player 18, Bowers as rookie #3 at 20 and Odunze as rookie #4 at 24. So all pretty much in the same mix.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

What rookie pick would you all consider for Drake London in single QB, full PPR league? Would 1.7 and 1.13 do it for you?

Wouldn’t be in the ballpark for me, especially in single QB.

Would likely have gotten it done last year IMO, but now with Cousins coming to town everyone is seeing the next JJ.

I’m not saying he will be, but his value jumped.!

 

[ghostguy123]

I'm not sure Drake London's production thus far is something that warrants pick 23 in a startup, even accounting for the circumstances.

His value seems hugely inflated to me.

London is really good. You are not accounting for the circumstances enough.

 

[Birdie048]

I'm not sure Drake London's production thus far is something that warrants pick 23 in a startup, even accounting for the circumstances.

His value seems hugely inflated to me.

London is really good. You are not accounting for the circumstances enough.

I believe part of the evaluation is the past coaching ineffectiveness and play calling efforts. The changes are positive but he has not demonstrated top tier value yet so it is a Shark Move to acquire him before jumps or make a mistake again and value him so high.
Risk vs Reward

 

[Big Nate]

I'm not sure Drake London's production thus far is something that warrants pick 23 in a startup, even accounting for the circumstances.

His value seems hugely inflated to me.

London is really good. You are not accounting for the circumstances enough.

Here is the thing with Drake London (and for the record I'm a huge fan). He hasn't produced top numbers yet. That is the reality. Yes his situation was horrible, run first offense with bad QB play.

His situation should greatly improve. I'm very excited to see what London can do in this new offense. Is he worth pick 23 in a start up? Maybe - if he hits his potential but I can't spend a 2nd round pick on potential in a start-up. Right now you are paying for potential rather than a proven asset.

Now to the guy asking about 1.07 and 1.13 for London. While that may look like a decent offer its a slight overpay for what he has done up until this point. IF he hits his potential then its not a bad deal. I don't think you can say it isn't enough because he hasn't done it yet. Here is something I would look at - what could 1.07 and 1.13 get you from a WR perspective? I bet if you went WR shopping the week of your rookie draft those 2 picks could get you a really nice WR that has hit close to top 14 (WR1 #s).

Now I saw top 14 as I assume this is a 14 team league. Then you have to look at a 14 team league and 1.07 and 1.13 can give you extra depth to compete in a 14 teamer. With QBs being a need in a 14 teamer you might be able to pick up a rookie QB AND a good WR with those 2 picks.

1.07 (Bowers, JJ or Thomas)
1.13 (Penix, Franklin, Brooks, Benson, Worthy etc.))

Gotta put some names to the picks. Bowers + Penix/Franklin/Worth or Drake London? 1.07 and 1.13 can net you a lot in a 14 teamer. As much as I like London I'd probably keep the picks or trade for a different WR like Aiyuk or Pittman or DJ Moore. Heck scroll down the WR list and see who ahs been productive. Can likely get one of them for a 1st and you can keep the other pick.

 

[titusbramble]

Re: London, 1.04 is probably a take, 1.05 probably a reject, slide it one way or another dependent on exact team needs. I would definitely want the big three WRs over him but anyone else is situational and the list of rookies that have a comparable value is really short

 

[efactor]

I'm not sure Drake London's production thus far is something that warrants pick 23 in a startup, even accounting for the circumstances.

His value seems hugely inflated to me.

London is really good. You are not accounting for the circumstances enough.

Here is the thing with Drake London (and for the record I'm a huge fan). He hasn't produced top numbers yet. That is the reality. Yes his situation was horrible, run first offense with bad QB play.

His situation should greatly improve. I'm very excited to see what London can do in this new offense. Is he worth pick 23 in a start up? Maybe - if he hits his potential but I can't spend a 2nd round pick on potential in a start-up. Right now you are paying for potential rather than a proven asset.

Now to the guy asking about 1.07 and 1.13 for London. While that may look like a decent offer its a slight overpay for what he has done up until this point. IF he hits his potential then its not a bad deal. I don't think you can say it isn't enough because he hasn't done it yet. Here is something I would look at - what could 1.07 and 1.13 get you from a WR perspective? I bet if you went WR shopping the week of your rookie draft those 2 picks could get you a really nice WR that has hit close to top 14 (WR1 #s).

Now I saw top 14 as I assume this is a 14 team league. Then you have to look at a 14 team league and 1.07 and 1.13 can give you extra depth to compete in a 14 teamer. With QBs being a need in a 14 teamer you might be able to pick up a rookie QB AND a good WR with those 2 picks.

1.07 (Bowers, JJ or Thomas)
1.13 (Penix, Franklin, Brooks, Benson, Worthy etc.))

Gotta put some names to the picks. Bowers + Penix/Franklin/Worth or Drake London? 1.07 and 1.13 can net you a lot in a 14 teamer. As much as I like London I'd probably keep the picks or trade for a different WR like Aiyuk or Pittman or DJ Moore. Heck scroll down the WR list and see who ahs been productive. Can likely get one of them for a 1st and you can keep the other pick.

No self resecting dynasty owner is going to give up a higher end WR for those picks.

How about for a “potential” higher end receiver?

 

[Big Nate]

I'm not sure Drake London's production thus far is something that warrants pick 23 in a startup, even accounting for the circumstances.

His value seems hugely inflated to me.

London is really good. You are not accounting for the circumstances enough.

Here is the thing with Drake London (and for the record I'm a huge fan). He hasn't produced top numbers yet. That is the reality. Yes his situation was horrible, run first offense with bad QB play.

His situation should greatly improve. I'm very excited to see what London can do in this new offense. Is he worth pick 23 in a start up? Maybe - if he hits his potential but I can't spend a 2nd round pick on potential in a start-up. Right now you are paying for potential rather than a proven asset.

Now to the guy asking about 1.07 and 1.13 for London. While that may look like a decent offer its a slight overpay for what he has done up until this point. IF he hits his potential then its not a bad deal. I don't think you can say it isn't enough because he hasn't done it yet. Here is something I would look at - what could 1.07 and 1.13 get you from a WR perspective? I bet if you went WR shopping the week of your rookie draft those 2 picks could get you a really nice WR that has hit close to top 14 (WR1 #s).

Now I saw top 14 as I assume this is a 14 team league. Then you have to look at a 14 team league and 1.07 and 1.13 can give you extra depth to compete in a 14 teamer. With QBs being a need in a 14 teamer you might be able to pick up a rookie QB AND a good WR with those 2 picks.

1.07 (Bowers, JJ or Thomas)
1.13 (Penix, Franklin, Brooks, Benson, Worthy etc.))

Gotta put some names to the picks. Bowers + Penix/Franklin/Worth or Drake London? 1.07 and 1.13 can net you a lot in a 14 teamer. As much as I like London I'd probably keep the picks or trade for a different WR like Aiyuk or Pittman or DJ Moore. Heck scroll down the WR list and see who ahs been productive. Can likely get one of them for a 1st and you can keep the other pick.

No self resecting dynasty owner is going to give up a higher end WR for those picks.

Each league is different, I tried to explain things fully and give some context. No need for the snarky comments "self respecting dynasty owner". Maybe just don't post anything next time. This was uncalled for.

I put a fair bit of time and effort into that post and your comment was not needed.

 

[FBG Moderator]

I'm not sure Drake London's production thus far is something that warrants pick 23 in a startup, even accounting for the circumstances.

His value seems hugely inflated to me.

London is really good. You are not accounting for the circumstances enough.

Here is the thing with Drake London (and for the record I'm a huge fan). He hasn't produced top numbers yet. That is the reality. Yes his situation was horrible, run first offense with bad QB play.

His situation should greatly improve. I'm very excited to see what London can do in this new offense. Is he worth pick 23 in a start up? Maybe - if he hits his potential but I can't spend a 2nd round pick on potential in a start-up. Right now you are paying for potential rather than a proven asset.

Now to the guy asking about 1.07 and 1.13 for London. While that may look like a decent offer its a slight overpay for what he has done up until this point. IF he hits his potential then its not a bad deal. I don't think you can say it isn't enough because he hasn't done it yet. Here is something I would look at - what could 1.07 and 1.13 get you from a WR perspective? I bet if you went WR shopping the week of your rookie draft those 2 picks could get you a really nice WR that has hit close to top 14 (WR1 #s).

Now I saw top 14 as I assume this is a 14 team league. Then you have to look at a 14 team league and 1.07 and 1.13 can give you extra depth to compete in a 14 teamer. With QBs being a need in a 14 teamer you might be able to pick up a rookie QB AND a good WR with those 2 picks.

1.07 (Bowers, JJ or Thomas)
1.13 (Penix, Franklin, Brooks, Benson, Worthy etc.))

Gotta put some names to the picks. Bowers + Penix/Franklin/Worth or Drake London? 1.07 and 1.13 can net you a lot in a 14 teamer. As much as I like London I'd probably keep the picks or trade for a different WR like Aiyuk or Pittman or DJ Moore. Heck scroll down the WR list and see who ahs been productive. Can likely get one of them for a 1st and you can keep the other pick.

No self resecting dynasty owner is going to give up a higher end WR for those picks.

If you have a different opinion, please state it and state why. Don't do it like this please.

 

[Blick]

What would you need on top of Puka to tier down from Amon Ra?

 

[Big Nate]

What would you need on top of Puka to tier down from Amon Ra?

This will likely be very league dependent and league manager dependent. Most dynasty rankings have ARSB around 4-5 and Puka maybe a couple spots lower but not far. If I owned Puka I would likely just hold rather that pay up to get ARSB. I like them both and both have different "positives" on why you would want one over the other.

Now though to answer your question, again very league dependent but I would think a mid 3rd is maybe all the Puka owner would pay up? If you found someone who really loved ARSB maybe they would give a mid to late 2nd but again I probably wouldn't if I had Puka. I'd just hold. Not sure you can get much added on but maybe you have a league manager willing to pay up?

I'd be really curious to see what others have to say with this one and what the "perceived" difference is. The actual production for me probably isn't worth moving up from Puka, I would likely hold pat.