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Euro Soccer Survivor Pool Thread (1 Viewer)

pick a team to win/draw every week (you can choose from either England, Spain, Italy, Germany)

if you miss 3 times you are out

you can't re-pick teams

$25 paid before 8/23, season starts 8/24

 
'NewlyRetired said:
'charvik said:
Simple google spreadsheet, which I can refine later:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkyWtdhvADajdHVvWmZOUllhLWJuSEhkZTY1eTlneFEAnyone can edit right now... we can lock it down later if needed.
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You are going to want to lock that down immediately assuming the same jack nut wants to screw up the sheet a bunch of times like in the EPL draft we had.
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Tasker didn't get in on this :thumbup:
 
'Tremendous Upside said:
SO what's the draw rule now?
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seems like people wants to keep it simple, and allow both wins as draws, to not complicate matters :shrug:I don't care either way, we just need to come to a conclusion.If we don't bother with the draw rule, it's going to be much easier to pick, meaning we'll have more people going deep on the season, and the tracking will be much easier as well. :shrug:
 
Win or draw seems kind of easy.

Juventus went 38 games unbeaten last season. Real Madrid lost 2, Barcelona lost 3, Dortmund lost 3, the Manchester clubs 5 times each.

I don't think it would be real hard to make it 10-15 weeks without a loss while picking the huge clubs against relegation-level sides.

 
'Spartans Rule said:
Win or draw seems kind of easy. Juventus went 38 games unbeaten last season. Real Madrid lost 2, Barcelona lost 3, Dortmund lost 3, the Manchester clubs 5 times each. I don't think it would be real hard to make it 10-15 weeks without a loss while picking the huge clubs against relegation-level sides.
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That was my concern too, that it would be too easy to just pick one of the top clubs, or against a bottom dweller when they were on the road. I'm sure there's a matchup to be found each week for one of the 4 leagues top 5 teams, where they play at home against a lesser opponent.Sure, it might not be great strategy to blow your top-tier games right away, but it could potentially mean that the first 10-12 weeks are kind of boring. :shrug:The benefit of forcing the draw-repick is to making it a little more difficult, and introduces a little more strategy early, but maybe I'm completely wrong. I've never tried one of these before...
 
'Spartans Rule said:
Win or draw seems kind of easy. Juventus went 38 games unbeaten last season. Real Madrid lost 2, Barcelona lost 3, Dortmund lost 3, the Manchester clubs 5 times each. I don't think it would be real hard to make it 10-15 weeks without a loss while picking the huge clubs against relegation-level sides.
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:goodposting: I support draw rollovers
 
I'm of the opinion that draw rollovers would be better too, however, I don't want to dissuade the more casual observer from participating by making it too difficult a pool.

I really think the longer we go on about it, the more apt this thing is to never getting off the ground, so maybe Charvik should just make a command decision, draw up the final rules, and get the signup's going :whistle

 
'guru_007 said:
I'm of the opinion that draw rollovers would be better too, however, I don't want to dissuade the more casual observer from participating by making it too difficult a pool.

I really think the longer we go on about it, the more apt this thing is to never getting off the ground, so maybe Charvik should just make a command decision, draw up the final rules, and get the signup's going :whistle
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Agree with all of this. Draw rollovers would be my preference.
 
'guru_007 said:
I'm of the opinion that draw rollovers would be better too, however, I don't want to dissuade the more casual observer from participating by making it too difficult a pool.

I really think the longer we go on about it, the more apt this thing is to never getting off the ground, so maybe Charvik should just make a command decision, draw up the final rules, and get the signup's going :whistle
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lol, I didn't come up with the idea, and don't want to steal it from GPJ... :unsure: I'm ok with making an executive decision tonight though.

 
Confirmed (active):

charvik - confirmed, rollover draws

Eephus - confirmed, rollover draws

GPJ - confirmed, rollover draws

guru_007 - confirmed, rollover draws

Moe - confirmed, rollover draws

Sebowski - confirmed, rollover draws/no rollover

Spartans Rule - confirmed, rollover draws

IN:

8ebok24

AcerFC

Aaron

Bentley (King_Kelly)

Bonzai

El Floppo

Notorious TRE

Sinn Fein

The Gator

The Z Machine

Tremendous Upside

Out:

Christo

gianmarco

NewlyRetired

These are the current "votes". Seems to be heavily favoring the rollover draws, so unless there are compelling arguments otherwise, we'll go with that IMO.

Looks to be 18 people in right now, but anyone else is welcome to join. Money is due 8/23 and our first week to pick starts 8/24. I'll finalize all rules and details later tonight.

 
'Spartans Rule said:
Win or draw seems kind of easy. Juventus went 38 games unbeaten last season. Real Madrid lost 2, Barcelona lost 3, Dortmund lost 3, the Manchester clubs 5 times each. I don't think it would be real hard to make it 10-15 weeks without a loss while picking the huge clubs against relegation-level sides.
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That's only 5 teams. This is a looong season. One more idea. Feel free to #### on it. Just spit balling. Draw rollovers only for Champions League teams.
 
'Sebowski said:
'Spartans Rule said:
Win or draw seems kind of easy.

Juventus went 38 games unbeaten last season. Real Madrid lost 2, Barcelona lost 3, Dortmund lost 3, the Manchester clubs 5 times each.

I don't think it would be real hard to make it 10-15 weeks without a loss while picking the huge clubs against relegation-level sides.
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That's only 5 teams. This is a looong season. One more idea. Feel free to #### on it. Just spit balling.

Draw rollovers only for Champions League teams.
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That would make it even messier to track, and more difficult to grasp for someone not as familiar with the Euro football systems. JMO
 
Bumping our latest "rule-set", that most so far have wanted to use.

Rules:

[*]Survivor Pool Week 1: starts on Friday August 24th and ends Thursday August 30th

[*]Pick one game each game-week of the season (Friday through Thursday) from 1 of the "Big 4":England, Germany, Italy, Spain

[*]Picks have to be posted in this thread prior to kickoff, but you don't have to post it prior to the start of the game week, i.e. you can wait to post your pick until Monday, if that is your selected game's kickoff for that week.

[*]Picks, results and "standings" will be posted on Google Docs spreadsheet and intermittently posted in this thread.

[*]Failing to make a pick on any given game week counts as a loss.

[*]If draw on any game, that game gets added to next week's target

[*]After 3 losses, you are out of the competition

[*]You can only use each team once during the year, i.e. if you pick Malaga to win in week 1, you can't pick them as winners again for the rest of the season.

If 20 or more people; 50/30/20

If 10 or more people; 75/25

 
Expanded draw-rollover rule:

Week 1: Pick Team A

Week 1 Result: Team A draws: (can't use Team A anymore but no loss is added to your count)

Week 2: Pick Team B and C

Week 2 Result: Team B draws, Team C wins: still no losses (can't use Team B or C anymore, still no loss is added to your count)

Week 3: Pick Team D and E

Week 3 Result: Team D wins, Team E loses, one loss on record (can't use Team D or E anymore)

Week 4: back to picking just a single team

 
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'charvik said:
Bumping our latest "rule-set", that most so far have wanted to use.

Rules:

[*]Survivor Pool Week 1: starts on Friday August 24th and ends Thursday August 30th

[*]Pick one game each game-week of the season (Friday through Thursday) from 1 of the "Big 4":England, Germany, Italy, Spain

[*]Picks have to be posted in this thread prior to kickoff, but you don't have to post it prior to the start of the game week, i.e. you can wait to post your pick until Monday, if that is your selected game's kickoff for that week.

[*]Picks, results and "standings" will be posted on Google Docs spreadsheet and intermittently posted in this thread.

[*]Failing to make a pick on any given game week counts as a loss.

[*]If draw on any game, that game gets added to next week's target

[*]After 3 losses, you are out of the competition

[*]You can only use each team once during the year, i.e. if you pick Malaga to win in week 1, you can't pick them as winners again for the rest of the season.

If 20 or more people; 50/30/20

If 10 or more people; 75/25
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Charvik: You're needed in the Tim football draft thread. Please report immediately.
 
I'm in and fine with the draw/rollover option.

What if you aren't allowed to pick a team twice regardless of win/lose or draw?<b>

You pick ManU to win against Reading and they draw, you can't use ManU again period. You're done</b>.

That should clean up any issues with things dragging out by picking overmatched teams.

And Charvik, :finger: (for the Everton comment).

<div><br></div><div>Never mind. I guess that is what was being talked about all along.<img src="http://forumimages.footballguys.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/bag.gif" alt=" :bag: " class="bbc_emoticon"></div>

 
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'Senor Schmutzig said:
I'm in and fine with the draw/rollover option.

What if you aren't allowed to pick a team twice regardless of win/lose or draw?

You pick ManU to win against Reading and they draw, you can't use ManU again period. You're done.

That should clean up any issues with things dragging out by picking overmatched teams.

And Charvik, :finger: (for the Everton comment).
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correct, this is the case
 
Usually this won't apply but since we're doing calendar weeks make sure you specify which match you are selecting. For example if we were starting this week Chelsea play twice during that Fri-Thu period.

 
'Sinn Fein said:
I'm too lazy to read through the whole thread - what did we decide on money, and who do I pay?
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$25 bucks and me... I'll post all details later when I get to laptop, or possibly tomorrow.
 
Rules:

I haven't heard any compelling arguments for not using these...

[*]Survivor Pool Week 1: starts on Friday August 24th and ends Thursday August 30th

[*]Pick one game each game-week of the season (Friday through Thursday) from 1 of the "Big 4":England, Germany, Italy, Spain

[*]Picks have to be posted in this thread prior to kickoff, but you don't have to post it prior to the start of the game week, i.e. you can wait to post your pick until Monday, if that is your selected game's kickoff for that week. Once we get down to 5 remaining players we'll move to PM's to me (if I'm in it we'll appoint someone to get my picks)

[*]Picks, results and "standings" will be posted on Google Docs spreadsheet and intermittently posted in this thread.

[*]Failing to make a pick on any given game week counts as a loss.

[*]If draw on any game, that game gets added to next week's target

[*]After 3 losses, you are out of the competition

[*]You can only use each team once during the year, i.e. if you pick Malaga to win in week 1, you can't pick them as winners again for the rest of the season.

[*]Entry costs $25, and has to be paid on or before Thursday 8/23 via PayPal to charvik at gmail dot com. Send as GIFT to avoid fees (Debit cards will still incur a fee)

If 20 or more people; 50/30/20

If 10 or more people; 75/25

Expanded draw-rollover rule:

Week 1: Pick Team A

Week 1 Result: Team A draws: (can't use Team A anymore but no loss is added to your count)

Week 2: Pick Team B and C

Week 2 Result: Team B draws, Team C wins: still no losses (can't use Team B or C anymore, still no loss is added to your count)

Week 3: Pick Team D and E

Week 3 Result: Team D wins, Team E loses, one loss on record (can't use Team D or E anymore)

Week 4: back to picking just a single team

ETA: Link to Google doc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkyWtdhvADajdHVvWmZOUllhLWJuSEhkZTY1eTlneFE#gid=0

(will lock for editing once we start)

Currently 18 people interested.

 
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'charvik said:
Rules:

[*]After 3 losses, you are out of the competition
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I guessed I missed this part. When I was proposing counting draws and wins the same I was going on one loss and gone. That was shot down because too many super teams would extend out or season too long. So we're doing draw rollovers, but making it so we need to lose 3 times to get booted, affectively extending our season. Color me shuked.

But I'm in whatever. Its year 1. We will learn along the way. Maybe even be able to fire it up again after winter break if this goes quick.

 
'Good said:
:moneybag: sent.

So do we just make our pick in the spreadsheet when we're ready?
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I think we said we are posting the picks in here. I will then periodically transfer the picks to the spreadsheet, to keep track of records and remaining available teams. When we get closer to the money, around 5 participants remaining, we'll move to PMs prior to kickoff.
 
'charvik said:
Paid:

charvik

guru_007

Moe

GPJ

Sinn Fein

Notorious TRE

Tremendous Upside

Pending:

Eephus

Sebowski

Spartans Rule

8ebok24

AcerFC

Aaron

Bentley (King_Kelly)

Bonzai

El Floppo

The Gator

The Z Machine

Senor Schmutzig
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Updated... 7 paid so far.
 
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