Executive order 9066 - Japanese Internent (1 Viewer)

[B-Deep]

On this day in 1942, President Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066 authorizing the eventual incarceration of over 120,000 Japanese Americans.

I lifted that text from the Allegiance - A New Musical facebook page. I just thought it should be mentioned. A very sad chapter in our history that I admit I do not know nearly enough about. This is one of Takei's causes, as he was actually in one of these internment camps.

If we want to learn form our past we have to exam the ugly parts, and this certainly qualifies.

Hard to believe this is an american speaking, but from Wiki here is what General Dewitt, who administered the program, had to say about it:

I don't want any of them [persons of Japanese ancestry] here. They are a dangerous element. There is no way to determine their loyalty... It makes no difference whether he is an American citizen, he is still a Japanese. American citizenship does not necessarily determine loyalty... But we must worry about the Japanese all the time until he is wiped off the map.

 

[T Bell]

Yeah, but you have to admit that Pearl Harbor didn't get bombed again after they were interred.

 

[B-Deep]

Yeah, but you have to admit that Pearl Harbor didn't get bombed again after they were interred.

Well, yes

that is very true!

 

[E Street Brat]

Damn Republicans

 

[B-Deep]

Pat Morita was born in Isleton, California.[3] He developed spinal tuberculosis at the age of two and spent the bulk of the next nine years in Northern Californian hospitals, including theShriners Hospital in San Francisco. For long periods he was wrapped in a full-body cast and was told he would never walk.[4]

After a surgeon fused four vertebrae in his spine, Pat finally learned to walk again at the age of 11. When he walked out of the hospital, an FBI agent escorted him directly to his Japanese American family, who had been sent to an internment camp to be detained for the duration of World War II.

 

[B-Deep]

we threw Mr Miyagi into a prison camp!

 

[E Street Brat]

we threw Mr Miyagi into a prison camp!

It was for his own safety

 

[MaxThreshold]

we threw Mr Miyagi into a prison camp!

It was for his own safety

And the Cobra Kais!

 

[Eephus]

My mother and her family spent 2.5 years at Topaz and Tanforan.

 

[Dr Oadi]

I don't want any of them [muslims] here. They are a dangerous element. There is no way to determine their loyalty... It makes no difference whether he is an American citizen, he is still a Muslim. American citizenship does not necessarily determine loyalty... But we must worry about the muslim all the time until he is wiped off the map.

War on terrorism would be over if we would have done the same to muslims.

 

[Mad Cow]

It is very easy for us today, sitting safe in our homes and offices, to harshly judge what they did 70+ years ago, having gone through what had happened.

 

[Dr Oadi]

It is very easy for us today, sitting safe in our homes and offices, to harshly judge what they did 70+ years ago, having gone through what had happened.

Please. We have progressed and are enlightened. There is not a single thing we do today that is so morally repugnant as what old people did way back then!

 

[jamny]

Oh my!

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Yeah, but you have to admit that Pearl Harbor didn't get bombed again after they were interred.

Came here to post the same thing.

 

[Oink Oink the Pig]

Yeah, but you have to admit that Pearl Harbor didn't get bombed again after they were interred.

That's a different slant on this story.

 

[DiStefano]

Executive order 9066 - Japanese Internent

Oh, that old saw...I thought Obama had banned the Japanese internet because they'd crossed a pink line, or something..

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

American citizenship does not necessarily determine loyalty...

this is true today.

 

[Quint]

my grandmother (now deceased) was living SF during WWII in 1941-42. she recounted that after the attack on Pearl Harbor, a Japanese person couldn't walk the streets of the city without fear of being beaten by civilians as well as Navy & Marines stationed there. in her opinion, the internment actually saved some lives.

i'm not sure i agree with her, but i wasn't there either.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

my grandmother (now deceased) was living SF during WWII in 1941-42. she recounted that after the attack on Pearl Harbor, a Japanese person couldn't walk the streets of the city without fear of being beaten by civilians as well as Navy & Marines stationed there. in her opinion, the internment actually saved some lives.

i'm not sure i agree with her, but i wasn't there either.

My grandmother used to say cats could steal a baby's breath while it slept.

 

[Oink Oink the Pig]

my grandmother (now deceased) was living SF during WWII in 1941-42. she recounted that after the attack on Pearl Harbor, a Japanese person couldn't walk the streets of the city without fear of being beaten by civilians as well as Navy & Marines stationed there. in her opinion, the internment actually saved some lives.

i'm not sure i agree with her, but i wasn't there either.

My grandmother used to say cats could steal a baby's breath while it slept.

My grandmother used to say that we should send black people back to Africa.

 

[NCCommish]

The Internment was a dark chapter in this countries history. It was illegal, unconstitutional and shameful. Let;s hope we never see it's like again.

 

[timschochet]

It is very easy for us today, sitting safe in our homes and offices, to harshly judge what they did 70+ years ago, having gone through what had happened. th

It is easy, and it's right for us to do so. After 9/11, some people actually called for internment of Arab-Americans. One of them, Michele Malkin, continues to be a respected conservative pundit, often appearing on Fox News. She wrote a book called In Defense of Internment.

 

[timschochet]

It should be noted that the internment was planned and set forth by well known liberals of the time, such as Earl Warren, John J. McCloy, and FDR. It was opposed by many conservatives, including J. Edgar Hoover, Herbert Hoover, and Robert A. Taft. The irony of this was noted by historian William Manchester when he pointed out that the infringement of civil liberties does not always come from the right.

 

[NCCommish]

It should be noted that the internment was planned and set forth by well known liberals of the time, such as Earl Warren, John J. McCloy, and FDR. It was opposed by many conservatives, including J. Edgar Hoover, Herbert Hoover, and Robert A. Taft. The irony of this was noted by historian William Manchester when he pointed out that the infringement of civil liberties does not always come from the right.

The conservatives of the time were definitely right here. I don't see any way my personal philosophy would have allowed to join those liberals on this.

 

[SacramentoBob]

The Internment was a dark chapter in this countries history. It was illegal, unconstitutional and shameful. Let;s hope we never see it's like again.

Wasn't this litigated and found Constitutional?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It should be noted that the internment was planned and set forth by well known liberals of the time, such as Earl Warren, John J. McCloy, and FDR. It was opposed by many conservatives, including J. Edgar Hoover, Herbert Hoover, and Robert A. Taft. The irony of this was noted by historian William Manchester when he pointed out that the infringement of civil liberties does not always come from the right.

I don't think anyone called out any left/right fault here, but people forget that at one time liberals were strongly pro-interventionist and conservatives were isolationist. I will also add that there are some problems with advocating for expanding the power of the government and this is one major one.

However, I think everyone should take a step back and realize how extremely different the time was.

If you look above there is a poster who had family actually interred.

And I'd be really curious if anyone (besides him) posting here knows anyone personally who was interred, who fought in WW2 or lived through it at an age old enough to remember.

It was a desperate time and national survival was at stake. That's not a justification, it's just that more than most topics here, this requires context.

 

[DiStefano]

You may recall, however, that around the same time, the US took millions of young males, purely on the basis of their sex and age, deprived them of their liberty, sent them to forced labor camps, often under appalling conditions, where they were subject to death and dismemberment. And threatened to shoot them if they tried to escape.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

The Internment was a dark chapter in this countries history. It was illegal, unconstitutional and shameful. Let;s hope we never see it's like again.

Wasn't this litigated and found Constitutional?

Yeah, but I think that case is widely viewed as having been grossly mis-decided by SCOTUS.

 

[NCCommish]

The Internment was a dark chapter in this countries history. It was illegal, unconstitutional and shameful. Let;s hope we never see it's like again.

Wasn't this litigated and found Constitutional?

Yes and they were clearly wrong on the law. Also it was found the Army suppressed information on the internment that totally undermined those decisions. The court cases themselves have been vacated. But only the Supreme Court can remove those rulings permanently and they are in no hurry.

The truth is—as this deplorable experience proves—that constitutions and laws are not sufficient of themselves...Despite the unequivocal language of the Constitution of the United States that the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, and despite the Fifth Amendment's command that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law, both of these constitutional safeguards were denied by military action under Executive Order 9066.[124]

Former Justice Tom Clark

 

[NCCommish]

You may recall, however, that around the same time, the US took millions of young males, purely on the basis of their sex and age, deprived them of their liberty, sent them to forced labor camps, often under appalling conditions, where they were subject to death and dismemberment. And threatened to shoot them if they tried to escape.

You are seriously comparing the draft to internment?

 

[T Bell]

You may recall, however, that around the same time, the US took millions of young males, purely on the basis of their sex and age, deprived them of their liberty, sent them to forced labor camps, often under appalling conditions, where they were subject to death and dismemberment. And threatened to shoot them if they tried to escape.

You are seriously comparing the draft to internment?

I read it as referring to elementary school field trips.

 

[DiStefano]

You may recall, however, that around the same time, the US took millions of young males, purely on the basis of their sex and age, deprived them of their liberty, sent them to forced labor camps, often under appalling conditions, where they were subject to death and dismemberment. And threatened to shoot them if they tried to escape.

You are seriously comparing the draft to internment?

Is there anything I said that wasn't true? War causes countries to do things they would not consider at other times.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The Internment was a dark chapter in this countries history. It was illegal, unconstitutional and shameful. Let;s hope we never see it's like again.

Wasn't this litigated and found Constitutional?

Yes and they were clearly wrong on the law. Also it was found the Army suppressed information on the internment that totally undermined those decisions. The court cases themselves have been vacated. But only the Supreme Court can remove those rulings permanently and they are in no hurry.

The truth is—as this deplorable experience proves—that constitutions and laws are not sufficient of themselves...Despite the unequivocal language of the Constitution of the United States that the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, and despite the Fifth Amendment's command that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law, both of these constitutional safeguards were denied by military action under Executive Order 9066.[124]

Former Justice Tom Clark

Clark represented the DOJ in the internment.

People should be concerned with the same arguments used with the NSA spying right now. It is much harder to stand up and oppose abuses of government power in our own time as opposed to looking back in history and judging others.

 

[T Bell]

You may recall, however, that around the same time, the US took millions of young males, purely on the basis of their sex and age, deprived them of their liberty, sent them to forced labor camps, often under appalling conditions, where they were subject to death and dismemberment. And threatened to shoot them if they tried to escape.

You are seriously comparing the draft to internment?

Is there anything I said that wasn't true? War causes countries to do things they would not consider at other times.

There are plenty of countries that have compulsory service full time, even in peacetime.

 

[Christo]

You may recall, however, that around the same time, the US took millions of young males, purely on the basis of their sex and age, deprived them of their liberty, sent them to forced labor camps, often under appalling conditions, where they were subject to death and dismemberment. And threatened to shoot them if they tried to escape.

You are seriously comparing the draft to internment?

Is there anything I said that wasn't true? War causes countries to do things they would not consider at other times.

There are plenty of countries that have compulsory service full time, even in peacetime.

UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

 

[Mad Cow]

It is very easy for us today, sitting safe in our homes and offices, to harshly judge what they did 70+ years ago, having gone through what had happened. th

It is easy, and it's right for us to do so. After 9/11, some people actually called for internment of Arab-Americans. One of them, Michele Malkin, continues to be a respected conservative pundit, often appearing on Fox News. She wrote a book called In Defense of Internment.

You do understand the vast difference between the two right? No way I am going to even think about engaging you in any sort of discussion on this, but to compare terrorism to a nation-state that performed a deliberate act of war against us is ridiculous.

 

[T Bell]

It is very easy for us today, sitting safe in our homes and offices, to harshly judge what they did 70+ years ago, having gone through what had happened. th

It is easy, and it's right for us to do so. After 9/11, some people actually called for internment of Arab-Americans. One of them, Michele Malkin, continues to be a respected conservative pundit, often appearing on Fox News. She wrote a book called In Defense of Internment.

You do understand the vast difference between the two right? No way I am going to even think about engaging you in any sort of discussion on this, but to compare terrorism to a nation-state that performed a deliberate act of war against us is ridiculous.

True. It's obviously far easier to inter the nation-state.

 

[jon_mx]

I was in Japan last month. I was not at all impressed with the Japanese internet. It was very difficult to get free wifi anywhere, even at hotels was no sure bet.

 

[NCCommish]

It is very easy for us today, sitting safe in our homes and offices, to harshly judge what they did 70+ years ago, having gone through what had happened. th

It is easy, and it's right for us to do so. After 9/11, some people actually called for internment of Arab-Americans. One of them, Michele Malkin, continues to be a respected conservative pundit, often appearing on Fox News. She wrote a book called In Defense of Internment.

You do understand the vast difference between the two right? No way I am going to even think about engaging you in any sort of discussion on this, but to compare terrorism to a nation-state that performed a deliberate act of war against us is ridiculous.

The American citizens who were treated like enemies in their own country didn't attack anyone. You do understand the difference between a Japanese soldier and an American citizen with Japanese heritage right? And again there were people who saw it at the time so it wasn't some inconceivable thing back then.

 

[Dippa]

I was in Japan last month. I was not at all impressed with the Japanese internet. It was very difficult to get free wifi anywhere, even at hotels was no sure bet.

Probably due to the executive order.

Thanks a lot Obama

 

[jon_mx]

It is very easy for us today, sitting safe in our homes and offices, to harshly judge what they did 70+ years ago, having gone through what had happened. th

It is easy, and it's right for us to do so. After 9/11, some people actually called for internment of Arab-Americans. One of them, Michele Malkin, continues to be a respected conservative pundit, often appearing on Fox News. She wrote a book called In Defense of Internment.

You wrongly state this again. Michelle Malkin did not call for internment for Arab-Americans. She used what we did in WWII with the Japanese (and some Europeans too) as a defense for profiling of Arab-Americans.

 

[jon_mx]

I was in Japan last month. I was not at all impressed with the Japanese internet. It was very difficult to get free wifi anywhere, even at hotels was no sure bet.

Probably due to the executive order.

Thanks a lot Obama

I still have not received my Obama phone.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Despite the unequivocal language of the Constitution of the United States that the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended

Former Justice Tom Clark

I don't mean to go all Carolina Hustler here, but the Constitution explicitly lays out the reasons you're allowed to suspend habeas corpus.

 

[DiStefano]

Despite the unequivocal language of the Constitution of the United States that the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended

Former Justice Tom Clark

I don't mean to go all Carolina Hustler here, but the Constitution explicitly lays out the reasons you're allowed to suspend habeas corpus.

I've always liked corpus delicious.

 

[Raider Nation]

Oh my!

First thing I thought of when I saw the thread title was "DRY..... OATMEAL.... ####!"

 

[timschochet]

You may recall, however, that around the same time, the US took millions of young males, purely on the basis of their sex and age, deprived them of their liberty, sent them to forced labor camps, often under appalling conditions, where they were subject to death and dismemberment. And threatened to shoot them if they tried to escape.

Wow. This may be the worst analogy I have ever read in this forum.

 

[timschochet]

It is very easy for us today, sitting safe in our homes and offices, to harshly judge what they did 70+ years ago, having gone through what had happened. th

It is easy, and it's right for us to do so. After 9/11, some people actually called for internment of Arab-Americans. One of them, Michele Malkin, continues to be a respected conservative pundit, often appearing on Fox News. She wrote a book called In Defense of Internment.

You wrongly state this again. Michelle Malkin did not call for internment for Arab-Americans. She used what we did in WWII with the Japanese (and some Europeans too) as a defense for profiling of Arab-Americans.

That's interesting, since the title of her book wasn't "In Defense of Profiling". It was "In Defense of Internment". Pardon me if I got confused by that.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Yeah, but you have to admit that Pearl Harbor didn't get bombed again after they were interred.

Why did we not quarantine the Germans too?

 

[jon_mx]

It is very easy for us today, sitting safe in our homes and offices, to harshly judge what they did 70+ years ago, having gone through what had happened. th

It is easy, and it's right for us to do so. After 9/11, some people actually called for internment of Arab-Americans. One of them, Michele Malkin, continues to be a respected conservative pundit, often appearing on Fox News. She wrote a book called In Defense of Internment.

You wrongly state this again. Michelle Malkin did not call for internment for Arab-Americans. She used what we did in WWII with the Japanese (and some Europeans too) as a defense for profiling of Arab-Americans.

That's interesting, since the title of her book wasn't "In Defense of Profiling". It was "In Defense of Internment". Pardon me if I got confused by that.

Instead of jumping to conclusions, maybe you should listen to some interviews or read the book. She did defend what the US did in WWII, but she did not suggest we should do that today.

 

[Slapdash]

Thank the goodness the internet is preventing this from happening again.