dkp993
Footballguy
Sorry to hear about your child’s issues, that sucks.
But I have no idea what your “deal with it” comment is about. How am I not “dealing with it”?
*also wonder why you didn’t include Noonan in this “deal with it” statement.
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But I have no idea what your “deal with it” comment is about. How am I not “dealing with it”?
*also wonder why you didn’t include Noonan in this “deal with it” statement.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
It should be Trump's. However he chose to encourage the demonstrations arguing against the restrictions (restrictions in place because the states have NOT met Trump's criteria).
Skoo
Footballguy
Rich Conway
Footballguy
This will be my last attempt at engaging. You keep begging for serious discussion, yet you're stating that people saying the guidelines are too vague are guilty of "partisan nonsense" and "blind hate", then later admit you hadn't even read the guidelines. Have you read them or not? If not, isn't a little premature to state "turns out it's not too vague, LOL" and "blind hate"? If you have read them, why not respond to serious posts asking detailed questions about certain elements that other posters find vague?
Football Jones
Footballguy
I’ve looked into them enough to know there are some strict criteria mixed with less strict criteria. I’ll certainly look into it further.
The biggest elements aren’t vague, which is my point. Highlighting the less strict criteria & not admitting some states aren’t even trying to meet the requirements is the nonsense you & some others are spewing.
It looks to be a solid plan with strict criteria & lots of measures designed to keep a downward trajectory (the main goal).
Understanding that isn’t rocket science.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
What's not vague is the required "14 days of downward trajectory". What states have met that?
Rich Conway
Footballguy
I don't believe I spewed any nonsense. I asked some questions. If you'd like to highlight the items below that you consider nonsense, maybe that would help. You must appreciate that when others attempt to ask questions and offer specific points, answers like "that's nonsense" are the very opposite of serious discussion.
Before we even get to the phases, under the heading Core State Preparedness Guidelines, we see the following:
* Ability to quickly set up safe and efficient screening and testing sites for symptomatic individuals and trace contacts of COVID+ results
* Ability to test Syndromic/ILI-indicated persons for COVID and trace contacts of COVID+ results
* Ensure sentinel surveillance sites are screening for asymptomatic cases...
* Protect the health and safety of workers in critical industries
* Protect employees and users of mass transit
All extremely vague. What does "protect" mean? No reference to number of tests that should be performed per capita. No definition of how contact tracing should be performed, or how many days to trace back.
Let's look at the criteria to get to phase 1. "Downward trajectory of documented cases within a 14-day period" OR "Downward trajectory of positive tests as a percent of total tests within a 14-day period (flat or increasing volume of tests)". Pretty vague, considering the portion before the OR can be satisfied simply by not performing tests. No mention of number of tests that should/must be performed. No mention of tests per capita.
Skoo
Footballguy
So you haven't even read the thing but feel you can claim others are "spewing nonsense" on the issue?
Football Jones
Footballguy
BTW, your idea of engaging is to tell people to ignore me as you’ve done previously.
That looks to be your go-to tactic when you fall behind on a debate
Mile High
Footballguy
Shouldn't he at least be tweeting out to those states to follow the guidelines, instead of tweeting out at states following the guidelines
Football Jones
Footballguy
How many states have opened without anything close to a 14-day downward trajectory?
I’m asking.
I’m asking.
General Malaise
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Neither has Tennessee nor Florida. Speaking of Florida, they may have been undercounting their covid-19 deaths.
Hampered by a lack of testing, consistent under-counting
Lack of widespread testing in the early stages of the Florida outbreak could have limited health providers from labeling a death as being from the coronavirus, too, said Thomas Hladish, a researcher at the University of Florida’s Department of Biology and Emerging Pathogens Institute.
“It is much more likely that deaths coded as pneumonia and influenza were actually COVID deaths,” Hladish said of the recent spike.
Data shows that the Florida Department of Health has consistently undercounted the deaths in its COVID-19 dashboard. For example, on April 13, the states’ dashboard showed only 92 dead in Broward County. Yet data obtained from the Broward County Medical Examiners’ Office shows that there were actually 120 deaths from COVID-19 in the county. Similar gaps between county medical examiner data and the state death reports were present on Friday, April 10, when the Sun Sentinel obtained lists of the dead from Miami-Dade, Palm Beach, and Broward counties.
The discrepancies have prompted questions and criticism from Florida’s Democratic congressional delegation. On April 15, U.S. Reps. Ted Deutch and Donna Shalala, along with 11 of their Florida Democratic congressional colleagues, wrote to Gov. DeSantis, questioning the “inconsistencies between COVID-19 death tracking methods used by the Florida Department of Health and county medical examiners.”
The Sun Sentinel followed up with the State Department of Health for answers. It has yet to receive a reply.
TripItUp
Footballguy
Terrific !
Governors like this are going to preserve American life as we know it.
Nice job Governor.
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Gr00vus
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Thunderlips
Footballguy
It would be nice if Trump realized this and stepped down this year. Guy would win hands down.
Only thing...we're going to need to see his long form birth certificate.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Well, let’s see here...
I’m kind of in the middle of it, but right off the bat (first thing listed) there’s strict criteria for both symptoms & cases (14-day downward trajectory).
Now, that means each state will need to apply their data to the criteria, and bingo, they will have an answer to a critical part of re-opening.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Correct. Now take a look at Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida's data. How many of them have met this very specific criteria?
Football Jones
Footballguy
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I believe the problems with those criteria were mentioned upthread:
Anything beyond this in terms of strict criteria and measures?
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
whoknew
Footballguy
Amused to Death
Footballguy
"There are more important things than living" - Dan Patrick, Lieutenant Governor of Texas
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Footballguy
This probably explains why Trump quietly dropped the song from his setlist the past few days.
Football Jones
Footballguy
What’s vague about it? Not vague at all.
So it’s vague because of a supposed loophole that allows states not to perform tests at all? Really? That’s a good one.
This is the kind of nonsense I’m talking about. From what I can tell, some states (if not all) that have opened are blowing off the guidelines.
As far as that goes, many people are ok with that going by protests in other states. It’s hard not to want what you need, thus, the delicate balancing act we’re in.
I’m not even saying there’s a right or wrong way to do it, but I have a real problem with a certain segment of society who blames the teacher when they don’t follow directions & fails a test.
So it’s vague because of a supposed loophole that allows states not to perform tests at all? Really? That’s a good one.
This is the kind of nonsense I’m talking about. From what I can tell, some states (if not all) that have opened are blowing off the guidelines.
As far as that goes, many people are ok with that going by protests in other states. It’s hard not to want what you need, thus, the delicate balancing act we’re in.
I’m not even saying there’s a right or wrong way to do it, but I have a real problem with a certain segment of society who blames the teacher when they don’t follow directions & fails a test.
The General
Footballguy
DrudgeReport has Donald on blast lately. Site covered in stories that will send him into fits of rage. Will be extra grumpy during the daily propaganda conference today.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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Amused to Death
Footballguy
No nonsense. The bolded IS the problem.
You're getting there. And to be clear, I'm not blaming Trump for the states' actions. ALL states should absolutely follow the administration's minimum guidelines. Which by the way, also includes extensive testing. Something we're woefully lacking.
Why do you continue to post bad studies? It doesn't really help anyone. We will have better information once good studies have been completed.
I also don't see where they took into account any underlying medical factors in the groups.
The General
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
This is the President’s response to why you should take this drug. Do you have any information about it’s use?
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Because:
It may not end up being determined a rigorous enough study, but it does give us some information.
The sample size may be too small, there may be other considerations not taken into account. But it still gives some indication of the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine beyond assumptions, which is what many have been working off of until now.
What does that have to do with anything? Why bring a trump comment in at all? Was that relevant in any way to the article on a study you posted? Or just a knee jerk reaction to someone not echoingThe General said:
I'd prefer not to spread bad information based on flawed studies. Which your article points out in the second paragraph. This goes both ways I can point to studies that say it works but then again they are just as flawed and would not post them to say it worked. The best is probably the In Vitro results but once again not enough to say one way or the other.
belljr
Footballguy
Not really as there could be a lot of underlying symptoms that influence the study. There are several large scale 1,500+ well organized studies going on that will give us good answers. Rigor and process is a must for these studies to truly tell us anything.Gr00vus said:
What does this statement mean? Do you have a link to a study showing it's a game changer?
The General
Footballguy
This is the political thread where political aspects of COVID are discussed.
If the president took the same view you did here this would have all been left to doctors and experts.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Thank you. This is the message a lot people have but we get accused of cheering for it to fail by some Trump supporters. The other quotes are from Trump himself. Very bad and worthless info indeed. But be careful, if you keep repeating these things you may be accused of hating Trump, hating America, and wishing for everything to fail.
But I also get why the latest study was posted. You're right that there is a lot of bad info being spread about its effectiveness. This one seems to be the best so far (even as bad as it is). Yet Trump was pushing it nightly as a potential "game changer".
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