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Griese Bucs new starting QB? (1 Viewer)
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valhallan
Footballguy
Well there have been two other threads, but I'll go ahead and drop my points in here:
- 2007 performance was only good, not great
- missed 3 games due to injury
- did not play well upon return from injury (47/84 for 512, 3 tds, 3 ints)
- turned 38 years old
- threatened to retire without a contract extension (didn't get one)
- Griese brought back by Gruden
- tension over Favre rumors
- poor 2008 pre-season and week 1
- Griese 27 TDs in 16 games for Gruden, Garcia 14 TDs in 14 games
I'll put my $$ on Griese to take over
- 2007 performance was only good, not great
- missed 3 games due to injury
- did not play well upon return from injury (47/84 for 512, 3 tds, 3 ints)
- turned 38 years old
- threatened to retire without a contract extension (didn't get one)
- Griese brought back by Gruden
- tension over Favre rumors
- poor 2008 pre-season and week 1
- Griese 27 TDs in 16 games for Gruden, Garcia 14 TDs in 14 games
I'll put my $$ on Griese to take over
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Capella
Footballguy
If you read between the lines with Gruden's comments, it is definitely Griese's job now.
I didn't even realize he was at 70% with a 20/12 ratio in 2004. That's really good, and that team around him was awful. They also started 5-1 with him in 2005 before he got hurt. So there is some positive history there.
I'm not sure what happened with Gruden/Garcia this off-season, but it appears there is no trust there and Jeff can't get the ball down the field anyways. He couldn't last year and there was no way they were even attempting it Sunday.
I didn't even realize he was at 70% with a 20/12 ratio in 2004. That's really good, and that team around him was awful. They also started 5-1 with him in 2005 before he got hurt. So there is some positive history there.
I'm not sure what happened with Gruden/Garcia this off-season, but it appears there is no trust there and Jeff can't get the ball down the field anyways. He couldn't last year and there was no way they were even attempting it Sunday.
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
It has to help it... Griese has a far better arm.
Flyin Pigs
Footballguy
Can anyone that follows the bucs give us a heads up on which one of these guys may come out ahead? Galloway is on most rosters, but Ike and Bryant may still be out there in a number of leagues.ETA - Seems Hilliard got a lot of looks with Garcia (6 targets / 6 catches) but Bryant got more looks (8 targets / 3 catches). I didn't catch the game though, so Ike's targets may have been in a possession receiver role (shorter stuff given Garcia's arm strength) and Griese's kid may be able to play to Bryant's strengths as a receiver. Anyone that watched the game - can you tell me if I'm heading in the right direction?
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
flooredyas
Footballguy
I feel he will prove to be a decent #2-for the rest of the year. I like him over Collins (Just can't warm up to his WR's) and Cassell.
While the jury is out on Cassell, he hasn't had any experience, unlike Griese.
While the jury is out on Cassell, he hasn't had any experience, unlike Griese.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
I guess "decent #2" is a good description, since Griese's per-game average in 2007 placed him at 14th overall. Still better than guys like Kitna, Rivers, Schaub, Bulger, Eli Manning....and Garcia.
He had his chance last season, and wasn't too consistent. He is very athletic, and looked great at times, but then he would make horrible plays. Griese was always fairly consistent, and managed the game well.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/09/11/...hopping-garcia/
Pewter Report hinted at this earlier today, and said "Garcia was pissed" about not starting. Kind of went full blown pretty fast now that it hit PFT. This is a distraction, and I assume it will be dealt with like Keyshawn was.
I don't have any sympathy for Jeff for 2 reasons,
1. He sucks now. This was made pretty clear in N.O., and in the last preseason game. And, he sucked after returnng from his injury last year imo.
2. When trying to get a new contract this offseason he tried to gain leverage by saying things like "you don't want a pissed off QB playing for your team." Well Jeff, you are right. Now don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.
He did play well at the begining of last season, but maybe his age is finally catching up with him. Either that or he is a pissed off QB...
Pewter Report hinted at this earlier today, and said "Garcia was pissed" about not starting. Kind of went full blown pretty fast now that it hit PFT. This is a distraction, and I assume it will be dealt with like Keyshawn was.
I don't have any sympathy for Jeff for 2 reasons,
1. He sucks now. This was made pretty clear in N.O., and in the last preseason game. And, he sucked after returnng from his injury last year imo.
2. When trying to get a new contract this offseason he tried to gain leverage by saying things like "you don't want a pissed off QB playing for your team." Well Jeff, you are right. Now don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.
He did play well at the begining of last season, but maybe his age is finally catching up with him. Either that or he is a pissed off QB...
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Wow, another chapter in the Garcia saga 
The guy's a good QB, I admire his toughness, and I'm a fan. However, having said that, the Bucs desperately need a QB to stretch the field and I think Griese gives them a better shot at that.
If Garcia leaves, any chance of him starting anywhere else next year? Backup? Retirement?
The guy's a good QB, I admire his toughness, and I'm a fan. However, having said that, the Bucs desperately need a QB to stretch the field and I think Griese gives them a better shot at that.
If Garcia leaves, any chance of him starting anywhere else next year? Backup? Retirement?
supermark_28
Footballguy
Let me be the first to throw Minnesota's name out there..
dmac37
Footballguy
Berrians value would go even lower with Garcia throwing 10 yard bombs.
Also add:Baltimore and also (my longshot hunch) Seattle.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
He can actually throw 11 yards with a javelin length crow hop
Black
Footballguy
Can he play WR?How about NE??
Also add:
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
There is no way Garcia deserves this!
Carmella used to work out at a gym by my house..she is smoking!! I saw Garcia once and he looks like a little weasel. Plus I remember she called WDFN after Lion fans were booing Garcia and went ballistic..she is fiery.
Carmella used to work out at a gym by my house..she is smoking!! I saw Garcia once and he looks like a little weasel. Plus I remember she called WDFN after Lion fans were booing Garcia and went ballistic..she is fiery.
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dmac37
Footballguy
Looks like Griese will be taking over for more than this week, could be a decent QB #2/3.
From Rotoworld:
Jeff Garcia-QB-Buccaneers Sep. 11 - 12:32 pm et
Profootballtalk.com reports that Bucs are shopping Jeff Garcia and are "willing to take anything they can get."
Jon Gruden and Garcia are reportedly "ready to kill each other." The Bucs look set to go forward with Luke McCown backing up Brian Griese after benching Garcia. If Packers GM Ted Thompson wasn't so married to his draft picks, including late-rounders, Green Bay would be a logical fit. But no team is going to go out of its way for a twinkle toed 38-year-old with an illogically big ego.
From Rotoworld:
Jeff Garcia-QB-Buccaneers Sep. 11 - 12:32 pm et
Profootballtalk.com reports that Bucs are shopping Jeff Garcia and are "willing to take anything they can get."
Jon Gruden and Garcia are reportedly "ready to kill each other." The Bucs look set to go forward with Luke McCown backing up Brian Griese after benching Garcia. If Packers GM Ted Thompson wasn't so married to his draft picks, including late-rounders, Green Bay would be a logical fit. But no team is going to go out of its way for a twinkle toed 38-year-old with an illogically big ego.
saintfool
Dead sexy
I see Luke getting a shot over JJ. Question is whether JJ has a real shot at starting next year...
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Deserve's got nothin to do with it, son.
MSULions
Footballguy
i don't know that there's ever been another NFL QB who has a more inflated sense of his own abilities and worth. The guy is a first class d-bag of the highest order. I'm frankly amazed anyone has put up with his noodle arm as long as this...he should have been done before detroit.
Uncle Humuna
Footballguy
TO alias?
steelcitysledgehammers
Footballguy
Bears fan here who got to see Griese play last year.
He's got no zip on his ball anymore. Sure, he's still accurate, but you could time his long passes with a stopwatch (like a punter).
I'm sure he'll be serviceable, but don't expect any long-ball, big play ability from him.
J
He's got no zip on his ball anymore. Sure, he's still accurate, but you could time his long passes with a stopwatch (like a punter).
I'm sure he'll be serviceable, but don't expect any long-ball, big play ability from him.
J
Good thing the Bucs run the WCO with a lot of short/medium routes then
Chickenwang
Footballguy
Just looked at Griese's stats from the last few years. He's had a ton of interceptions. I need a qb with Brady gone, but I'm not sure if I can rely on this all season
Funny I was just thinking another chapter in the gruden saga. Cant think of one quarterback in tampa that was happy to play for this guy. Plummer new right away he didnt want to play for himbucsbaby said:Wow, another chapter in the Garcia sagaThe guy's a good QB, I admire his toughness, and I'm a fan. However, having said that, the Bucs desperately need a QB to stretch the field and I think Griese gives them a better shot at that.If Garcia leaves, any chance of him starting anywhere else next year? Backup? Retirement?
simms garcia list goes on!!!!
ThePittbully
Footballguy
bump josh johnson up in dynasty, I know he won't be playing but this moves him up to 2nd or 3rd qb and he should get an increase in reps
Shhhh
[scooter]
Footballguy
That's pretty stupid. "his lack of success in Chicago can be thrown out"? What about his lack of success in Miami, Tampa, and Denver?
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Huh?And it's that inflated sense of worth that imo has been a key attribute in him becoming a good qb despite lacking many, many measurables.
[scooter]
Footballguy
Good QB? Let's not get carried away here. Griese is the classic "good enough to make the team, not good enough to start" guy. Take away his one decent season (19 TDs in 10 games in 2000) and he's the epitome of average.
Steady Mooobin
Footballguy
MSULions was speaking about Garcia.
Black&Gold
Footballguy
I don't think Rich Gannon was too upset.Funny I was just thinking another chapter in the gruden saga. Cant think of one quarterback in tampa that was happy to play for this guy. Plummer new right away he didnt want to play for himWow, another chapter in the Garcia saga
Chief
Footballguy
Gannon was a special breed of player. Thick skinned, perfectionist and oh, yeah... He was pretty darn good while he and Gruden were together. They were perfect for each other. They pushed each other to excel.Black&Gold said:I don't think Rich Gannon was too upset.Funny I was just thinking another chapter in the gruden saga. Cant think of one quarterback in tampa that was happy to play for this guy. Plummer new right away he didnt want to play for himsimms garcia list goes on!!!!
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Wait 'till Campbell looks pretty good vs. the Saints, then see if you can trade him for peanuts.
Black&Gold
Footballguy
All I'm saying is that Gannon was nothing more than a jouryman QB for several teams until he met up with Gruden in Oakland. A la Brian Griese. I'm not saying that he's going to set the world on fire, but it wouldn't suprise me. I think you could see good stats. He has some weapons in Tampa.Gannon was a special breed of player. Thick skinned, perfectionist and oh, yeah... He was pretty darn good while he and Gruden were together. They were perfect for each other. They pushed each other to excel.Black&Gold said:I don't think Rich Gannon was too upset.Funny I was just thinking another chapter in the gruden saga. Cant think of one quarterback in tampa that was happy to play for this guy. Plummer new right away he didnt want to play for him
All of those guys have a personality trait in common... They're thin-skinned. Each one has a fragile ego that needs to be stroked. Gruden is not that kind of coach.That said, Griese never wanted to leave Tampa for Chicago and from all accounts has a great relationship with Gruden. Maybe JG can coax some greatness from him like he did with Gannon.Funny I was just thinking another chapter in the gruden saga. Cant think of one quarterback in tampa that was happy to play for this guy. Plummer new right away he didnt want to play for himWow, another chapter in the Garcia saga
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Say hello to the 2009 Bucs.
At Head Coach, Bill Cowher.
At QB, Matt Cassel.
At RB, Earnest Graham (Cadillac traded to the Patriots).
Jon Gruden, welcome to the NFL Network.
At Head Coach, Bill Cowher.
At QB, Matt Cassel.
At RB, Earnest Graham (Cadillac traded to the Patriots).
Jon Gruden, welcome to the NFL Network.
Steady Mooobin
Footballguy
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