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Certainly attempting to bring in Cutler was a good move; had WAS been able to land him, they'd be a better team. Campbell certainly doesn't look like the answer, so I don't think that's a legitimate criticism.I agree that there have been questionable moves in the past, but the Redskins addressed two big needs by getting elite talents to stop the run and get to the passer.PinkydaPimp said:
scott72 said:
See also the total collapse of the St. Louis Rams, which occurred (and hasn't yet hit bottom) for the same reason - - neglect of the OL.
But isn't this arguement statistically correct? I could probably name 30 QBs in the last 10 years who never panned out.I just don't think Campbell is that good
Ouchie. Would still rather be a Cowboys fan right now for some reason.FIXEDgot_nugs said:
An overspending and over 'hands on' owner. A QB that is over analyzed and criticized when it's certainly not his fault. An HC that should not be a HC. A team that can't make it out of the 1st rd of the playoffs.Redskins or Cowboys....don't matter. Same result.Ouchie. Would still rather be a Cowboys fan right now for some reason.FIXEDgot_nugs said:
I think the original statement should be revised to 1st round QBs who don't pan out in 3 years.
Short of Zorn going deep into the playoffs, Zorn wasn't going to make it past this year. This has been the general consensus of the local Redskin media and fans all summer. It's pretty obvious this is a train wreck.
Good coaching would make this a .500 team. They don't have the depth to be much better, and that is an entirely predictable result of tieing large dollars up in a few players.
Yeah, I don't blame Synder. The coaching staff is terrible though.And they use that elite pass rusher to play LB for some inexplicable reason.FWIW, I think the Skins should bring in a big name as a "consultant", let him look around for 2 weeks, then fire Zorn and let the new guy take over. This is assuming they can get a big name anymore.Chase Stuart said:
On Redskins talk radio yesterday, the speculation was that Zorn will be fired after game 7 unless Washington wins the next 3 games, giving the new coach the bye week to reorganize. They were even going so far as to speculate that Sherm Lewis was brought in as a consultant so he could be interviewed for the HC job to check off the Rooney Rule box, allowing them to go after Shanahan during the season and hopefully beat other teams that want him to the punch.
Jason Campbell should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as those QBs. He's a bum.
It was a "I have to do something" move. Zorn said in his postgame PC that there were some things Campbell missed that he thinks he should have missed. But, he had an even worse first half against TB and played pretty well in the second half of that game.Benching him did nothing. Even when the first pass for Collins goes for 40+ yards, it had no effect on the game overall. This is a team that can't even capitalize with a TD after a 78-yard run.
Yes and no. For the most part, I agree with you that Zorn doesn't deserve this. He's simply a guy in the wrong job. And, worst yet, he's in a job where he wasn't able to pick his own employees (coaching staff). But, the story when he was hired was that Zorn has always had himself prepared for a HC interview. It's something he wanted to work towards and he, supposedly, was always prepared to interview for a HC position. I believe he thinks he's HC-worthy. I don't think he's currently capable of identifying where he's going wrong. He's sticking with his system and gameplan regardless of results.
On top of this, he was initially hired to be the OC, and this is his offense... and it is the offense that is the major problem with the team. It is terrible. I don't see how anyone can say that is not his responsibility.
Sorry, dude. I agree that Zorn seems like a nice guy but he did want the HC job. First off it was arrogant to go to a place as a coordinator when no HC is in place. Secondly and most importantly you are what you are. Tomlin only was a coordinator for one year, Sparano wasn't ever a coordinator as far as I know, Cowher was a special teams coordinator and so was Harbaugh. Is he over his head, sure? Was it a situation that he didn't want to be thrust in? No, not even close.Arch Stanton said:
Won't make a difference.edit: I see it's Sherman Lewis. it DEFINATELY Won't make a difference.
That's just one of the 50 excuses used for Campbell over the years. He keeps having to learn a new system. He doesn't get enough protection. The receivers are never open. He doesn't have a good enough running game. The defense doesn't create turnovers to put him in advantageous situations for easy scores. The front office doesn't have confidence in him and are hurting him mentally. Coaches are handcuffing him.All of those things have been true at one time or another during Campbell's career. But, some QBs actually overcome challenges. Look, I don't think he's horrible. He's an average starting QB in terms of talent and ability. He'll never be a top 5 QB and there's really nothing wrong with that. But, the excuses have to stop. At some point, people need to stop saying everything that's going wrong around him and focus on what he's not doing well. He consistently misses open plays down the field; plays that should be TDs. He goes through long stretches in games where he simply isn't "seeing the field well". He doesn't find the open guy quickly enough. He doesn't take control of the situations on the field. At times, he needs to play on instinct and ignore the coaches. Change the play. Go for something regardless of what the coach will think.
IMO regardless of what happens the rest of this season, Campbell will not be the Redskins starter next season. And I don't see any compelling reason to believe he'll be starting for a different team either. His time as an NFL starter may well be over, though I think he is good enough to hang around the league as a backup for quite some time.
Agreed. Many people will talk about how "he never got a fair shot", yet no other team will give him that shot either as an unquestioned starter. Similar to Patrick Ramsey.
id be shocked if Cerrato isnt canned. i am actually happy we are hitting this low point. Maybe this is what we need to snyder to understand his mistakes.
I don't figure that Zorn's the answer as head coach either, but Zorn most certainly didn't construct this pathetic o-line, and that's the lion's share of the offense's problems.
I don't think I can put it any better than this post and the numerous ones above it. Dude sucks and is not NFL starting QB material. Same #### was stated about David Carr until they finally had to admit to the real problem.
WilliamClayFord5 years of Matt Millen.....Peace
This is the real problem in Washington and among their fans...the team is NOT more talented then they're showing. IN fact...they are very much the opposite. Bad drafts, terrible personnel decisions doomed this team long before Zorn was hired. Zorn is not at fault, and one can only hope he get's another (real) shot in the NFL. Washington will not be a contender again until upper level management changes.
BUT...when why does a first year coach take so much heat for a poor unit HE DID NOT BUILD when that unit was far less then stellar in previous seasons?The real problem is that Redskin fans actually thought the team was good to begin with, and they weren't.
Agree with the first part.Redskins fan are often crowing in the off-season about how talented they are and how they win the off-season every year but underachieve. Fact is as a team, especially in the trenches, they are not a very talented team. Snyder keeps trying to build them top heavy with big money, "star" talent and not building them bottom up in a sustainable way.
To be fair, if you follow the offseason Redskins threads on this board you'll see a lot of cynical and realistic views of them among their fans here.
True, but the fans here are also fantasy football geeks. They aren't just generally better informed, but tend to be more realistic because they study the game and understand more then the average fan.I live in Skin's land, and I can tell you for a certainty that the average skins fan thought they were at LEAST a playoff bubble team.
Sherman Lewis is the root of the Redskins evil...he's equally guilty of crapola football, every bit as guilty as Zorn.and Campbell.and Snyder for signing and drafting crap players.but let's not put it all on Zorn, who the #### hires a bum like Lewis, a guy who's been out of football since 2004!! that's how good he was, that no one called him since 2004!!!Snyder has made some bad decisions, Zorn has too, Campbells sucks, and Lewis just.can't.coach.Portis is the ONLY silver lining they have.too bad, he's HOF material, had he played for Denver his entire career, he'd be in the 'best-ever RB' conversation..
Prescient, or does (HULK) = Cerrato?Either way... 
