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For a backup running back and a rookie how is this even close to looking like crap?16 games played 4 starts 155 rushes for 637 yards 40 receptions for 308 yards 4 touchdowns 2 fumbles 1 fumble lostThat was Mccoy's rookie season
I noticed that people forgot to look at his receiving stats from that year and the 4.1 average rushing yards made him look like "crap" to some people. I traded for him that year in a dynasty league and the other owner said word for word, "I'm going to hate myself if [McCoy] ends up with over 1000 yards." I wasn't sure if I should have told him he had 945 total yards his rookie year if you count his receiving yards, so 1000 total yards was easily attainable. Signed him to a 5 year contract since those weren't set yet since it was the inaugural draft for the league. I also signed Arian Foster off UFA that year, before the regular season...to a 5 year contract. My first pick in the inaugural draft was Aaron Rodgers.
Doesn't every player fall into this category? Truth is nobody knows what will happen exactly. I own him in two dynasties and I am hopeful. The Saints could go to more of a balanced system to keep their defense off the field, but we don't know what kind of team this will look like without their head coach. I am comfortable having him as a #3 RB in a dynasty.
The "big boys" are big because they have an opinion, support it, and write it well. Don't let that be the reason you agree or disagree with someone - you must watch for yourself.McCoy's rookie year left me thinking he was the next PPR pimp (admittedly, I bought Felix that off-season as well though).Ingram and McCoy are entirely differently beasts. Does that make Ingram a buy or a sell? Depends on the cost. I'd rather invest elsewhere if I am having to pay RB14-16 price.
Isn't this the same type of statement that made people say SELL Jahvid Best after his rookie season? I only bring this up because, more and more, there seems to be growing concerns that Ingram may just be one fo these guys that is habitially beaten up. The production you mentioned is really nice but there are some guys that are like that; great when they play but can't count on them. If you can't count on them within reason, then I think the current asking price is too steep. I think Ingram is a tough trade right now because people initially bought him at RB1 price with several touting that he had the potential to be emmitt smith-like. Reality is he might be RB3 without a clean bill of health. That's a LARGE gap between the initial buyer and the new buyer. As of today, I think his parrallel is Deuce McCallister. We can all see the potential here and we might get it, but he is far from settled in and appears a bit volatile.
At the appropriate price; which is quite a bit lower than any seller I've seen (In asking three people just to get a feel, I've universally been responded to that they see him as RB1 still).
Sold Ingram for Dwayne Bowe in a PPR league. Enough to sell? Curious what others are buying at, price wise?
I didn't follow all the Best stuff closely, but if memory serves the reasoning to offload him was about concussions, which are a bit more severe/sudden than knee problems. You can always get knee surgery, but a few too many headshots and you're cooked. His ypc was also criminally bad, at 3.2. I do agree with you about the value/trade issue in finding new buyers; there's really no way to sell him and get much at this point.
Theft. Ingram is an overrated turd. I think Bowe is the most underrated player in fantasy, all in on Bowe.
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Called Ingram a turd. You call posters many rude names. Safe to say you're the biggest troll on these forums.
I'll probably talk myself into him again but only if he looks fully healthy. Drafted him pretty early last year but bc of that I drafted Sproles late 
You guys realize this is a dynasty implications thread, right? You did READ the title?
He went 5.04 in a startup that is in progress. After all young and established starters, after some upside guys form this year's rookie class, but still relatively high, IMO
Your Ingram-bashing schtick is really getting old and stale. Soon it will be the only thing people around here remember you for, before they put you on "ignore". I took it as tongue-in-cheek when the thread was "Ingram's HOF bandwagon" (equally ridiculous), but at this point your Ingram contributions are becoming an endless stream of repititious clutter in multiple threads. Please give it a rest already, at this point you're just peeing in the Pool...'Multiple Scores said:
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You reek of stale boredom. Find some new material. You cannot possibly be this collossally unoriginal in real life. Suck it up and find something new to contribute in your football universe.
:sigh:Ingram's name attached to a shark pool thread is like a bat signal for you isn't it?Did you even bother to read the OP?Anyone who hasn't already put you or your twin brother on "ignore" yet, understands that you both greatly dislike Ingram. However, that's not what this particular thread is about. It's supposed to be an opportunity for buyers and sellers to share their dynasty value/trades and strategies where he is concerned. Cluttering up this thread for the purposes of peeing in the pool is just plain ignorant. Whether you like Ingram or not, a 2nd year RB who came into the league projected by many to be the top rookie RB in the prior year, still carries some value in dynasty. What people want to know is... How much value?Clearly, you aren't buying, and have advised anyone who is still reading your posts not to touch him with a stick. So unless you have witnessed a dynasty trade involving Ingram that you want to share, or find yourself in the process of selling/buying him, then please perform a public service to the SP and stay out of this thread. Instead why don't you bump the ridiculous 'HOF' thread, or go start a new one entitled "why Ingram is a candy-coated turd with chronic knee problems" where you and your bro' can bag on him at your liesure and wait for others to thank you for your pearls of wisdom...mmmkay?
I agree he's worth a gamble at that price.
Not really...
Now that's helping your fellow FBGs!Not because we agree on this point, but because it contributes to the OPs question and this thread's value in trying to determine what value Ingram holds. Then owners chew on whether or not to move him at similar values, or better still a FBG buyer gets him for less than that, or conversely a FBG seller deals him away for more than that.For example the poster that moved him for Bowe, got a pretty good deal IMO...
Now you're spewing inconsistent jargon. You said he's nothing more than average. Why spend that high of a pick on an average player. The pool would be better off without you. Take brother Multiple Sores and go play in the street.
Let it go...I think moderated's and multiple's over-riding Ingram negativity is a reaction created by last year's hype and the HOF bandwagon thread. I actually agree with him that Ingram was overhyped, and IIRC he was quick to say so last year.
and try to get them to realize that they were coming across the wrong way with their message in a thread that was NOT about how Ingram was destined for the HOF. That thread was completely asinine, and this one should not be a continuation of it...
McFadden still looked very good catching the ball - something Ingram didn't last year (11 Reception for 46 yards, 4.2 YPC). For that reason I like Ingram much more in non-PPR than PPR leagues.
the guys you get in the late 1st/2nd of rookie drafts are crapshoots, i don't have to like Ingram to think i might be wrong and give up a crapshoot pick to get him.
I was at Saints camp yesterday and Ingram sure looked ok to me, was running and catching at full speed by all appearances.
Fluff piece.
And that guy is loving it. Man did you take a beating on this one.
I'd rather have Ingram/Pierre/Cobb. No beating from my pov.
Evven on a dynasty it's horrid. Garcon is with a rookie QB and he is no Steve Smith, Cobb is buried and Ingram is on the wrong type of offense for his skillset. Brown is a solid starte in Pit and may even be the new #1, Jackson still has enough gas in the tank and will beat Ingram's numbers this year. Powell and 2 extra picks is a bonus.If you look at their ADPs, SJAX-24, Brown-62 and 2 picks for Ingram-91, Pierre-90 and Cobb-181. if it's Pierre Thomas, it's even worse.
It is Pierre Thomas. Those ADP's I assume are for redraft, not dynasty, right?I respect your point of view here, but I am happy with the trade. I like Antonio Brown a lot, but believe that Cobb's talent is superior, and in the long run that usually is more important. SJax this year is the better player, but he will be irrelevant as early as 2013, and Ingram will still be playing in one of the league's best offenses for the next 4-6 years. They did not trade up into round one last year to not use Ingram. I give him a pass for last year's debacle based upon not having had the opportunity to participate in an NFL offseason program.It is a risk for the near term, but I am happy with the trade for the long term.
I just sold Ingram for M. Ryan, 1st round pick (9th) and 2nd round pick (11th), I can use either of these picks as a Devy pick if I wish. (I plan to draft Lattimore or Allen). I'm a HUGE fan of Ingram I just have a little depth at the position and couldn't pass up this deal.Tex
They paid enough for him that he'll get an extended crack at the featured role eventually. What he does with it is anyone's guess, just like any player we haven't seen a ton of, but the Saints are a well run team, and they didn't trade up for Ingram in order for him to be a backup to Pierre Thomas. Waaaaayyyyyy too early to write Ingram off, IMO. Look at the consensus top-3 RBs this year. How many of them lit it up as rookies?
