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NFL to start fining (1 Viewer)
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Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
They should give the refs the option to call unsportsmanlike conduct penalties in situations as obvious as the Giants faking multiple injuries on Monday. That'll put an end to a lot of the shenanigans real quick.
griff321
Footballguy
A PF rule would never work and I doubt this rule has any actual teeth. How do you prove it when in most instances it isn't obvious?
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
I still believe it would be hard to throw a flag if you don't really know for sure and then on top of that you fine that said player. Seems like a lot of guess work.Are there any alternatives ?If a player needs assistance getting off the field, he should have to take off more than the 3 play minimum that is in place right now?I think a player has to take off 3 plays and or that gets wiped out if there is a change of possesion between the teams. Make it where the player has to sit out the full 3 plays even with a change of possesion?Just throwing out ideals.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
I could easily be mistaken, but other sports allow their referees to make these kinds of judgement calls, don't they? Best one that comes to mind is a soccer ref yellow carding a play that fakes an injury. Pretty sure that happened in one of the women's world cup games that the US played in. Other team tried to waste clock by faking an injury, player gets carted to sideline, jumps off stretcher and lines up to come back in, ref yellow cards her. Don't see why we can't have the same thing in the NFL.
Johnny Blood
Footballguy
The player who is allegedly injured should have to sit out the next play.
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
I don't like the idea of fining players but if you can have judgement calls in Hockey for possible dives and Yellow Cards in Soccer for diving, why can't you make judgement pf calls for situations like Monday which are obvious to everyone in the stadium?
Hoss Style
Footballguy
I think this is the only way to stop it. Make the player who's injured - real or fake - take a minimum amount of plays off. Something along those lines.
Norseman
Footballguy
Shutout
Footballguy
They do.This won't change a thing because you simply can not make that determination if the injury is legit and intervene when it actually matters. And all it would take is for one REF to be wrong one time and hurt one player long term and that would be disasterous.So, even if it were completely obvious, if a team's playoffs are on the line, I have no doubt the owner would happily write a big check the next day (after the benfit is received).About the only thing that I can see detering people from faking would be if the game must be stopped for an injury, then that player must remain out the remainder of the series or something. But even then, i'm not certain as I'm sure you all noticed that the guys taking the flop the other night were a rookie backup LB and a 4-5 DB. I mean, wouldn't you think if anyone on the team were savvy enough to think to do that, it would be a veteran or starter like Tuck or someone instead of a kid that is playing in his 2nd game? Heck, some NFL players play a whole career and aren't familiar with all the situational rules ("What is this Overtime ending in a tie you speak of?" asks Donovan McNabb). Seems squirly that a kid who is a spare part and not integral would think of it al on his own. So, its a team "strategy" and if you want to make it count, you have to panalize bigger than the payoff and I'm not sure that exists. I would gladly write a $100,000 check if it gave my team a chance to advance and play in the playoffs next week (i'll make that much back in the first 5 minutes of ticket sales).
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mcintyre1
Footballguy
Why would the player get hurt? I don't see why the ref would make the player stay on the field. Just flag the offending team after the player has been taken off the field.
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Goodell: Hey Stinkin, saw you cramped up there when the Rams were driving on you?
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Reepicheep
Footballguy
Yep. The main reason to flop is so you can substitute. So by definition you wanted a certain player off the field the next play anyways. Almost any time a team would want to do this, there's a marginal 12-13th guy on the field that can take the fall. So even if you make the "sit out" rule a whole drive, the rule would still be effectively toothless. Only thing the NFL can do is some sabre-rattling and hope teams will be more discrete.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I don't see the need to stop it all. The offenses are gaming the system by trying to get defenses stuck in the wrong personnel. Why shouldn't defenses have a counter (other than the fact that playing defense is frowned upon in the modern NFL)?
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
This was Skip Bayless's solution on 1st and 10 this morning. One of the smartest things I have ever heard him say. If you are injured to the point where they need to stop play then you should sit out the rest of the possession. Or at least a set # of plays 4-5. But I think this is the only way this will end. Let's not end up like the other Futbol, with injury acting becoming a commonplace event.
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
So its the defenses god given right to change players after every play? If the defense gets caught with a bad personnel package and the other team is taking advantage in a hurry up scheme, the defense can use a time out to get the players they want out there. No sense in turning the game into a complete mockery and get away with stopping play without being forced to call a time out.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
The offensive players also have to use the same personnel. This is a horrible argument.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I agree
Crazy Tony
Footballguy
This is only going to happen on DEF most likely. On OFF you use a T/O run down the clock and risk losing a down or something.
Make Teams designate an Injured Player Substitute (IPS) for each of the three categories: DL/LB/DB. This is a non-starter.
One of these players is allowed to come in when a player goes down due to injury.
If one of the IPS's gets injured and carted off...one of the other two IPS is allowed to come in for that player and they can rotate their guys around needed but unless they have a Timeout or something they could be penalized with ball automatic 1st and 10.
this prevents/minimizes teams from putting in scrub to take a dive only to put the starter back in. But if they're willing to do it and take a penalty...like 1st and 10 with 1/2 the distance to the goal. It would be a deterrent. But still give the coaches the option.
Make Teams designate an Injured Player Substitute (IPS) for each of the three categories: DL/LB/DB. This is a non-starter.
One of these players is allowed to come in when a player goes down due to injury.
If one of the IPS's gets injured and carted off...one of the other two IPS is allowed to come in for that player and they can rotate their guys around needed but unless they have a Timeout or something they could be penalized with ball automatic 1st and 10.
this prevents/minimizes teams from putting in scrub to take a dive only to put the starter back in. But if they're willing to do it and take a penalty...like 1st and 10 with 1/2 the distance to the goal. It would be a deterrent. But still give the coaches the option.
netnalp
Footballguy
Or have them sit out for a set length of game time, like hockey does with the penalty box.
My suggestions for what it's worth.
The injured player MUST sit out until the next 1st down or timeout used. No other positions can be substituted other than the ones running out on the field already otherwise a timeout must be called by the defense. Consider it their version of 12-men in the huddle.
The injured player MUST sit out until the next 1st down or timeout used. No other positions can be substituted other than the ones running out on the field already otherwise a timeout must be called by the defense. Consider it their version of 12-men in the huddle.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
And the thought police have taken over.
For the first time, the NFL commissioner will issue fines based on what HE BELIEVES the player was thinking.
For the first time, the NFL commissioner will issue fines based on what HE BELIEVES the player was thinking.
tombonneau
Footballguy
This is the only solution and my guess will be done in the offseason.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I am sure this happens all of the time (some players and coaches have all but said it), and it will be impossible to police. Now, if what Bradford said was correct, in that someone on the Giants was yelling for someone to go down, one of the officials could probably hear it, so in those cases, I suppose the NFL will insist that refs throw a flag. But that will end quick as teams get wise to it and figure out other ways to signal for someone to take a dive.
King of the Wolfies
Footballguy
i'm sure that this happens all the time. no one can expect an official to make a medical decision. in this era of player safety, the best way to deal with it is to have the "injured" player sit out until the next possession so that the medical staff has the proper time to check them out. this takes the decision out of the refs hands, and is a decent incentive not to fake an injury.
Del Griffith
Footballguy
Has Arlen Specter called for a Congressional investigation yet?
