ZADO
Footballguy
I never said he started everything ,but his policies are not helping so he`s responsible . Its on his watch now ,and its getting WORSE not better . Trump was blamed for everything no matter what it was ,why does Biden get a pass?
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***Official 1/6 Select Committee thread*** (1 Viewer)
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sho nuff
Footballguy
You stated you wanted to hold him accountable. Do you hold others accountable as well for their involvement?
Im not giving him a pass. Ive stated quite often that his fiscal policy have contributed to where we are.
ZADO
Footballguy
BladeRunner
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the moops
Footballguy
Don't you sense a bit irony in you banging on people for having so many posts in a thread when you also have so many posts in a thread?
If dozer came in here with drive-by posts like yours over and over and then proceeded to complain about how many posts you have, I would call him out too.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Prior presidents and different iterations of congress yes. Including Democrats and Republicans.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yet dozers posts have been factual and informative and about the topic rather than mostly about other posters or the disingenuous "get him yet?" style posts.
Don't you sense a bit irony in you banging on people for having so many posts in a thread when you also have so many posts in a thread?
If dozer came in here with drive-by posts like yours over and over and then proceeded to complain about how many posts you have, I would call him out too.
massraider
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Oh, it's definitely bad. To try and minimize the events of that day is on par with minimizing death threats / doxxing of Supreme Court justices. Both of those sorts of things are attacks on our democracy. Two sides, same coin.
(HULK)
(Smash)
I still can't get my head around how any patriot is okay with, or downplaying, or ignoring an attempt to subvert the will of the people. This country is a democracy, and the defining feature of a democracy is that the people get to choose their leaders.
Trying to stay in power when the people picked a new leader is treason. Honor the will of the people.
True patriots have nothing but disdain for traitors, no matter their party.
Trying to stay in power when the people picked a new leader is treason. Honor the will of the people.
True patriots have nothing but disdain for traitors, no matter their party.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
GOP leadership is a collection of cowards projecting fear for profit and power. If their platform was truly better they would educate and lead, not act like this.(HULK) said:
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Now do your own postssho nuff said:
dozer
Footballguy
In the days before the Electoral College certification, Mike Pence's legal team laid out that they found most of the Trump campaign's assertions of election fraud minor or unverifiable, according to a previously unseen memo obtained by POLITICO.
Pence team couldn't verify Trump campaign's election fraud claims, new memo shows
The memo shows Pence’s legal team didn’t just track the barrage of wild legal arguments from former President Donald Trump’s lawyers and allies, but also meticulously monitored the allegations of election fraud and mismanagement. It specifically includes charges leveled by the Trump campaign itself in court.
Pence team couldn't verify Trump campaign's election fraud claims, new memo shows
The memo shows Pence’s legal team didn’t just track the barrage of wild legal arguments from former President Donald Trump’s lawyers and allies, but also meticulously monitored the allegations of election fraud and mismanagement. It specifically includes charges leveled by the Trump campaign itself in court.
massraider
Footballguy
Board cop 
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Herb
Footballguy
Obviously not. Only Dinesh has the Sherlockian observational skills to uncover that level of malfeasance.
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
I knew you were playing the slow game and acting like you were a republican(ish) for a couple of decades only to come out now to make Trump look bad.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
The thing that I can't shake is that a lot of people who were close to Trump knew that he was dangerous. McMaster and Tillerson apparently recognized that very early on, and William Barr knew too. I'm sure there were others.(HULK) said:
Obviously people have resigned from other administrations before over policy differences. I can't recall anybody ever leaving an administration the way these guys did. Maybe it happened during the Nixon years, but that was before my time.
How come GOP officials can't take the hint and move on to somebody less overtly terrible?
dkp993
Footballguy
I failed to see how any of this doesn’t directly correlate to the Democratic leadership as well.
Sea Duck
Footballguy
It's tough to admit that "your side" contains people who are willing to commit crimes against the country on behalf of your party. (See also: downplaying the threats against the Supreme Court.)(HULK) said:
It's even tougher to admit that "your side" contains leaders who are willing to stay silent as those crimes are being committed.
ZADO
Footballguy
What comes off worse ?
''“I want to tell you, Gorsuch, I want to tell you, Kavanaugh, you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions.''
''“Let’s make sure we show up wherever we have to show up. And if you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.''
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Did you see the other day where Joe Biden said, I want to get rid of the America First policy? What's that all about? Get rid of. How do you say I want to get rid of America First? Even if you're going to do it, don't talk about it, right? Unbelievable what we have to go through. What we have to go through.
And you have to get your people to fight. And if they don't fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don't fight. You primary them. We're going to. We're going to let you know who they are. I can already tell you, frankly.
Republicans are, Republicans are constantly fighting like a boxer with his hands tied behind his back. It's like a boxer. And we want to be so nice. We want to be so respectful of everybody, including bad people. And we're going to have to fight much harder.
Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated.
I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.
And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore.''
I don't know what Biden has to do with making politicians accountable for their actions. I kind of feel Republicans that supported Trump going back to 2016 are to blame for causing moderate conservatives to vote for Biden. I see the old "don't blame me I voted for Trump" signs and I think that is precisely why I do blame you. You are the one responsible for giving us such a lousy choice for President
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dozer
Footballguy
Here is a memo written on J5 from Pence's top lawyer declaring the plan for VP Pence to block Biden's electoral votes to be illegal.
From: Greg Jacob, Counsel to the Vice President
To: Vice President Pence
SUBJECT: ANALYSIS OF PROFESSOR EASTMAN'S PROPOSALS
In the memo, Pence counsel Greg Jacob lays out 4 specific ways that, in his view, John Eastman's proposal to delay the transfer of power would violate the law.
Kyle Cheney Twitter Thread
Politico Article:
Pence-world’s final takedown of Trump’s Jan. 6 bid to remain in power revealed in his lawyer's memo
From: Greg Jacob, Counsel to the Vice President
To: Vice President Pence
SUBJECT: ANALYSIS OF PROFESSOR EASTMAN'S PROPOSALS
In the memo, Pence counsel Greg Jacob lays out 4 specific ways that, in his view, John Eastman's proposal to delay the transfer of power would violate the law.
Kyle Cheney Twitter Thread
Politico Article:
Pence-world’s final takedown of Trump’s Jan. 6 bid to remain in power revealed in his lawyer's memo
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dozer
Footballguy
ZADO
Footballguy
People do know and comprehend that the groups ...like the PROUD BOYS and others ...never heard a word of Trumps rally speech ...right? They never went to the rally...they went directly to the Capitol and started the violence that was already underway when the rest of the rally crowd finally showed up. Some of those people joined in and most did not
Tom Skerritt
Footballguy
Yes correct. What we’re not entirely sure of, but seems to be entirely plausible, is a coordinated effort that includes Trump, the Proud Boys and others. It is irrelevant that they were not at the Trump Rally. In fact by not being together, it gives each of them plausible deniability.
ZADO
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ZADO
Footballguy
So Washington politics and the media and big tech isnt already crazy corrupt and nobody knew that but Trump and he figured it out and told the rest of the world . What would we have done without him . He`s the the Messiah of truth (im clearly kidding in case all y'all think im serious ).
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yeah. This doesn’t really address much at all about what 1/6 was about and what led up to it. Doesn’t seem like an honest attempt to discuss this topic.
ZADO
Footballguy
So many people are looking for something i dont think is there. Thats why i answer the way i do. Its as crazy as saying Soros is funding the Caravans from down south or he funded the summer of love riots . Trump knows how corrupt Washington is ,we all do . He truly to this day believes the left took the election from him. Him saying it isnt against the law . Hillary didnt think Trump beat her in 2016. Many times this has happened in other elections,its nothing new . Whats new is the following Trump had or has . I promise you he didnt expect what happened on Jan 6th, but he was probably more in awe than shocked . He should have acted sooner to quell the event , for that he is guilty of not speaking out sooner. I dont expect anyone to agree with me lol. Hes got a HUGE EGO and thats one of the main reasons i dont want him running again,we need some humility and level heads in office .
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sho nuff
Footballguy
None of this has a thing to do with his words and actions or the events of 1/6. I have zero idea why you are deflecting with this.
(HULK)
(Smash)
I actually was thinking of people in this thread rather than GOP leadership. I know those folks know better and are just hypocrites.
ZADO
Footballguy
Captain Cranks
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
I don't know. Why don't you ask Bellichek at his next press conference?
Otherwise, I have no idea who these Patriots are that you guys keep talking about.
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Scott Perry- pardon?
Be interesting to see what more information we find out on the subject. The committee left us hanging as to where they found this out about this and other pardon requests from other GOP Representatives. I suspect Jared Kushner may be the source as we heard him say in the video clip Thursday that he was working on pardons.
"Pennsylvania Paper Rips Rep. Scott Perry as He Denies Seeking Trump Pardon
BY NATALIE COLAROSSI ON 6/11/22 AT 10:39 AM EDT
Aprominent Pennsylvania newspaper's editorial board published an article against state Republican Representative Scott Perry on Friday, after he was accused of asking former President Donald Trump for a preemptive pardon following the January 6, 2021, Capitol riot.
On Thursday, the House select committee investigating last year's riot said in its first public hearing that Perry, along with "multiple other Republican congressmen," sought presidential pardons for their roles in attempting to overturn the 2020 presidential election.
The allegations were made by Representative Liz Cheney, a Wyoming Republican and the vice chairwoman of the committee, who said that Perry played a key role in attempting to undermine the election. However, she has not yet provided specific details of the allegations, and Perry's office has vehemently denied the claims.
Nonetheless, the allegation prompted the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, one of the state's largest newspapers, to question Perry's moral and ethics
The "Pittsburgh Post-Gazette slammed Pennsylvania GOP Representative Scott Perry on Friday for allegedly seeking a presidential pardon following the January 6, 2021, Capitol riot. Above, Perry speaks outside the Capitol on February 28 in Washington, DC.DREW ANGERER/GETTY IMAGES
"Legal experts agree that presidential pardons are intended for persons accused of or convicted of federal crimes. It is extremely rare for anyone to receive a preemptive pardon for an offense already committed but not charged. Rep. Perry had led an effort to turn back the results of the presidential election, but he had not been charged with a crime," the newspaper's editorial board wrote. "Was he, by the very act of asking, admitting to criminal or unethical behavior? Why else would he ask? It certainly raises suspicions."
Be interesting to see what more information we find out on the subject. The committee left us hanging as to where they found this out about this and other pardon requests from other GOP Representatives. I suspect Jared Kushner may be the source as we heard him say in the video clip Thursday that he was working on pardons.
"Pennsylvania Paper Rips Rep. Scott Perry as He Denies Seeking Trump Pardon
BY NATALIE COLAROSSI ON 6/11/22 AT 10:39 AM EDT
Aprominent Pennsylvania newspaper's editorial board published an article against state Republican Representative Scott Perry on Friday, after he was accused of asking former President Donald Trump for a preemptive pardon following the January 6, 2021, Capitol riot.
On Thursday, the House select committee investigating last year's riot said in its first public hearing that Perry, along with "multiple other Republican congressmen," sought presidential pardons for their roles in attempting to overturn the 2020 presidential election.
The allegations were made by Representative Liz Cheney, a Wyoming Republican and the vice chairwoman of the committee, who said that Perry played a key role in attempting to undermine the election. However, she has not yet provided specific details of the allegations, and Perry's office has vehemently denied the claims.
Nonetheless, the allegation prompted the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, one of the state's largest newspapers, to question Perry's moral and ethics
The "Pittsburgh Post-Gazette slammed Pennsylvania GOP Representative Scott Perry on Friday for allegedly seeking a presidential pardon following the January 6, 2021, Capitol riot. Above, Perry speaks outside the Capitol on February 28 in Washington, DC.DREW ANGERER/GETTY IMAGES
"Legal experts agree that presidential pardons are intended for persons accused of or convicted of federal crimes. It is extremely rare for anyone to receive a preemptive pardon for an offense already committed but not charged. Rep. Perry had led an effort to turn back the results of the presidential election, but he had not been charged with a crime," the newspaper's editorial board wrote. "Was he, by the very act of asking, admitting to criminal or unethical behavior? Why else would he ask? It certainly raises suspicions."
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rockaction
Footballguy
So sad. Remain ever-vigilant. The year 2024 looms, and thieves and con artist would-be tyrants are still popular. This cannot happen. Not here. Please no.
dozer
Footballguy
I'd love to see this too. Out of everyone on this message board, your posts are quite rational. But then it seems you don't buy into the far right media stuff so I do understand the rational part.
Captain Cranks
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moleculo
Footballguy
Trump thinking and saying that absolutely is legal. So are all of the lawsuits he brought. That's the proper way to deal with it.
It's also legal (even if childish) to hold rallies to whine about how you don't think you lost, and it's legal to not accept defeat.
What is not legal is leaning on Raffesnsberger to commit election fraud. It's also not legal to lean on Pence to not certify the vote. Both of these acts were illegal, and out in the open. Unambiguously illegal.
dozer
Footballguy
Yes please. Since you haven’t really called out any inaccuracies… That ad was really good.
