FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
At 6-2 312...a 5.09 40 time...not too bad for a DT!! Maybe practice squad, but you never know.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Strangely, yes. Will he fall to the 7th round?
Not a MINN homer, so asking. I was surprised by the Fason pick, but didn't know about last year of Bennett and Onterrio's contracts. Is there any info in MINN that the team might cut bait with both those guys after this year? I hadn't heard anything on this, but its an interesting point and might make Fason a decent dynasty reach.
The Gatekeeper
Footballguy
CJ Moseley was once projected in the 2nd round. Anyone have any info on why he might have fallen this far? When the Vikes were on the clock I was screaming Moseley or Shazor...lol. Here's to a great draft 
The Gatekeeper
Footballguy
Adrian Ward?????????? NFL.com doesn't even have a player profile on him. Shazor must really have an attitude problem or something.
Maelstrom
Footballguy
I was really hoping to see Shazor's name up there for this pick. NFL's draft analysis just says "he has some cover skills". Not sure why Shazor slipped off the draft board entirely - don't think it was attitude problems (I live near Ann Arbor), but I will check the papers in the morning and see what the story is, if any.
FunkyPlutos
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MelvinTScupper
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Don't kid yourself, the Vikings wanted Pollack.James will be ok, as long as that injury is in the past.
JBaldachino
Footballguy
I loved the Vikings offseason EXCEPT their biggest move. The Moss trade. The vikings traded the most dominant WR over the past decade for... a burner 1 dimeniosnal unproven WR and a linebacker from a talented, yet somehow terrible, defense. Even if you want to argue and say Harrison or Owens has been better over hte past decade, I would disagree, but given the propensity for bust in 1st round WRs its inconvieable for anyone to say Williamson's value is anywhere near Moss's. The Vikings had plenty of cap, so its not that Moss's contract was strangling them, especially considering the 7th overall pick comands a big salary as well. If the Vikings had Moss they'd be a projected SB team. Without him, there are still questions. I think Williamson was one of the worst picks of the draft.
CanadianNFLJunkie
Footballguy
Jbald...Moss was a fungus, a cancer on the time. He become too much of a distraction and a me first attittude hence the trade. My only regard is that they didn't require more from the Raiders, but supposedly if there aren't more buyers for his services, then what could the team do?As for the Vikings draft, I like the fact that we picked up Williamson, James, Johnson and Fason, all who were rated near the top of their positions. I see in the local paper this morning that the Vikings signed the following FA's....QB - John BowenkampCB - Dovonte EdwardsLB - Sarth Benoit, So Conn St - supposed to be like C ClaiborneWR - Heath FarwellWR - Christopher JonesK - Jonathan Nichols, Mississippi, perhaps 2nd best kicker in draftOT - Rian MelanderTE - Matt RossC - Kyle SchmittLB - Ira CooperCB - Ukee DozierS - Justin FrazleyKR - Mike NordykeSo far I know nothing else about these guys or any other FA's signed last night or (later) today.
BlueOnion
Footballguy
I am a big Moss fan, but I think you need to look a little deeper at the trade;Randy Moss:
First and foremost, he is the most explosive player in the NFL over the past seven years; bar none. But he has had a string injuries and not the fluke type either. Whether it has been his foot, his ankle, his back or his hamstring, these injuries have persisted throughout his career and just don't appear to be healing. Last season, at the age 27 he started to show that he is not healing at the same rate as when we was 24, 23 or 22. He has not been a 100% for a few seasons now. Although not 100% he has still been very production, but at 28 I expect these same lingering injuries to become more prevalent now that he is 28. Maybe he does make all 16 games this year, but what about the following year when he is 29? How does Oakland handle this if Randy Moss is not able to stay healthy and will count 15 million against Oakland's cap next season? Do they suck it up? Do they ask him to renogogiate his deal?
For me, I hate to see him go; he was very explosive and a lot of fun to watch in Purple. But for a guy who lacks a good work ethic, has a list of nagging injuries that just don't heal, turning 28 and a huge cap number hit...I am very happy to have Williamson, Cowart and Napolean Harris instead; plus the extra salary cap room we will have next season.
snogger
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They didn't get rid of Moss over money..They got rid of him due to attitude. Tice & company, including Many Viking Players felt Moss's "I'll play when I want to" was getting old and when he walked of fthe field vs. The Redskins I believe that was the last Nail.
I say
.. Is Moss a great Reciever?? Hell Yes.. but is being a Great reciever worth all the conflicts and problems he caused? No.. Oakland's use to Head casee's so they got what they needed. 
BlueOnion
Footballguy
I am not sure. I do see Pollack in the Tedy Bruschi mold; undersized DE in college who makes the move to LB. Most teams have him projected at linebacker and I am fairly sure the Bengals would move him there. The Vikings have plenty of 'tweeners' at linebacker and definitely had more of a need for a long-term blue-chip defensive end with pass rushing ability.This could come back to haunt us, Pollack is a player.
Muahahaha
Footballguy
Blue,Just curious, what was Cowart's contract? I know that Moss' deal was about $9Mil/season, Harris was about $1M/season and that Williamson's deal s/b about $5/season. Was Cowart's deal about $3M/season, so that the deal really does equal Cowart + Harris + Williamson = Moss?
norseman9375
Footballguy
Smith should be a restricted free agent next year, as he has only been in the league for 3 years, so it would be easiest for the Vikings to keep him. For the Vikes to keep Bennet he would have to win the starting job and have a good year, otherwise he'll be gone to a team that will pay him to be their starter (although no team may want him as their starter if he doesn't play well this year). This doesn't account for any trades.
Funkley
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Morris hasn't been wrong on anything else so when he says the Vikes wanted Pollack bad I believe it. BTW, I've seen Pollack listed as heavy as 265 so I think he could easily be used as an edge rusher. That said, I still like James assuming he can stay on the field. The Udeze/James combo could be REALLY fun to watch.
Muahahaha
Footballguy
Nevermind: looks like Cowart's deal with the Vikings is one year/ $1Million: http://kffl.com/player/1334/nf
[Looks like we got him on the cheap.]
So, the Moss trade in cap space looks like:
Harris + Cowart + Williamson + $2Mil/year = Moss
So PLEASE stop saying it is Harris and a 1st round pick for Moss - it is so much more. The salary cap completely changes everything, from drafting to trades. The name of the game is getting the right mix of talent under the cap, not stockpiling talent; it is the right talent, at the right places, & at the right price. The Patriots proved this in spades. We clearly were allocating WAY too much of our cap to offense; this offseason has been about re-allocating some of that money to defense.
Clearly, Moss is the best receiver in the NFL. But was his cap number in line with his talent and our needs? No way. We had a top five offense and a bottom five defense. You don't win championships that way.
Add in the fact that he best days are clearly behind him and trading him was the best move. If there was no salary cap, it was a bad move. But the fact is, there is a cap. And in a salary cap universe, allocating 1/10 of our cap to that one offensive player was not the best move for our football team.
When you evaluate players in today's NFL, the fact is that you must look at them as folows: Talent / Cap #. You want that ratio to be as high as possible. For Moss, that number was not high enough, given our defense.
[Looks like we got him on the cheap.]
So, the Moss trade in cap space looks like:
Harris + Cowart + Williamson + $2Mil/year = Moss
So PLEASE stop saying it is Harris and a 1st round pick for Moss - it is so much more. The salary cap completely changes everything, from drafting to trades. The name of the game is getting the right mix of talent under the cap, not stockpiling talent; it is the right talent, at the right places, & at the right price. The Patriots proved this in spades. We clearly were allocating WAY too much of our cap to offense; this offseason has been about re-allocating some of that money to defense.
Clearly, Moss is the best receiver in the NFL. But was his cap number in line with his talent and our needs? No way. We had a top five offense and a bottom five defense. You don't win championships that way.
Add in the fact that he best days are clearly behind him and trading him was the best move. If there was no salary cap, it was a bad move. But the fact is, there is a cap. And in a salary cap universe, allocating 1/10 of our cap to that one offensive player was not the best move for our football team.
When you evaluate players in today's NFL, the fact is that you must look at them as folows: Talent / Cap #. You want that ratio to be as high as possible. For Moss, that number was not high enough, given our defense.
BlueOnion
Footballguy
More Williamson news:
Comments from wide receiver coach Wes Chandler. For those that don't know Wes Chandler, he was an explosive wide receiver for Don Coryell in San Diego. Reknown route runner with an emphasis on explosion and technique. First receiver ever to post 1,000 yards receiving in just 7 games into a season. Was the gold standard of wide receivers before Rice's career. In addition, he finished his career in San Francisco, his last year being Rice's first year and took Rice under his wing. Should be noted he has done a great job with Burleson so far as well.
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Comments from wide receiver coach Wes Chandler. For those that don't know Wes Chandler, he was an explosive wide receiver for Don Coryell in San Diego. Reknown route runner with an emphasis on explosion and technique. First receiver ever to post 1,000 yards receiving in just 7 games into a season. Was the gold standard of wide receivers before Rice's career. In addition, he finished his career in San Francisco, his last year being Rice's first year and took Rice under his wing. Should be noted he has done a great job with Burleson so far as well.
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CanadianNFLJunkie
Footballguy
Guys, thought it was public knowledge, Cowart re-worked his contract before coming to Minnesota. He's under contract for ONE year at $1 million, so if he fudges up, we cut him and it only cost us a 7th rounder.
BlueOnion
Footballguy
Actually, I do know if we cut him we get our 7th round draft pick back from the Jets next season.
texasyankee
Footballguy
Good Lord I can not wait for SeptemberThis has been an amazing off-season for the Vikings
skol asylum
Footballguy
Actually the trade was Moss for Napolean, Troy, & Adrian Ward. We used our own 7th on the Cowart trade and Oakland's on Ward.
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MelvinTScupper
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No doubt. I agreed with you on the size commentary, but I was reading lots of insiders who were saying they had Pollack high on their board.
Muahahaha
Footballguy
ratpfink
This looks like a job for You-Know and Who!
nflpa.org reports McKinnie's contract runs through 2008, although I have a suspicion that the last two years are voidable. I swear I remember him signing a relatively short contract for a high pick(5 years, but really only a little over 4 if you consider the hold out). I have my doubts that the Vikes will attempt to resign McKinnie especially if he demands anything close to what the elite left tackles in the league have been getting. He's good, but he's not that good.Likewise, nflpa.org says Williams is signed through 2009, but I don't know if he has voidable years in his contract or not.
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