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***Official Texas Rangers 2012 Thread*** (3 Viewers)
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RnR
Footballguy
Curious move, IMO. They a let quality known quantity in CJ walk for 5/75, then sign a huge question mark for 6/111.
Yeah that does seem a little curious, doesn't it. Though Darvis is six years younger.
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
John Daniels has stated they felt Darvish was the best available pitcher on the open market this off-season. 18.5 mil for Darvish vs. 15 mil for CJ seems about right considering Darvish is 6 year younger. Based on JD's recent track record, I'll give him the benfit of the doubt.
culdeus
Footballguy
I think it will be rationalized as part of the balloon payment by Fox Sports that came up this year. Basically they just endorsed that check over to Japan and went on as before.
RnR
Footballguy
There were consensus opinions on Matsuzaka, Irabu, etc. as being the "next big thing" at the time of their arrivals as well. I know Darvish is his own man, but you have to wonder about handing out this kind of cash for a man that has never step foot on a major league rubber.The move could pay off, but it does carry significant risk. Risk that I would argue the Rangers don't necessarily need. They're already very good.
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Captain Hook
Footballguy
THANK YU
Now I can hardly (sarcasm for those of you who can't read it) until the throng of Japanese reporters and photographers arrive at the Surprise Recreation Complex......in fact I just called the Community Recreation Director to have a laugh about it....the security will have to be ramped up exponentially.
should be fun though
Now I can hardly (sarcasm for those of you who can't read it) until the throng of Japanese reporters and photographers arrive at the Surprise Recreation Complex......in fact I just called the Community Recreation Director to have a laugh about it....the security will have to be ramped up exponentially.
should be fun though
I will be at Darvish's first home start. You can't put a price on that spectacle.
JD pretty much avoided questions about if the Rangers were done this off-season. You could tell that he wanted to give the Darvish signing the moment, and said that it would be a few days before they look at anything else. The fact that the contract itself was not insane (I think ownership just considers the posting fee as an operational expense and not part of payroll) and spread out over 6 years, I would not be surprised if they pull the trigger on Fielder.
JD pretty much avoided questions about if the Rangers were done this off-season. You could tell that he wanted to give the Darvish signing the moment, and said that it would be a few days before they look at anything else. The fact that the contract itself was not insane (I think ownership just considers the posting fee as an operational expense and not part of payroll) and spread out over 6 years, I would not be surprised if they pull the trigger on Fielder.
culdeus
Footballguy
Sounds like they are basically planning to load Fielder up in the years after Hamilton and Young are off the books with some crazy out option thrown in for good measure.
Amazing nobody took a stab at the guy. Think the Angels want a do-over knowing they could have had Fielder at half price of Poohols?
Amazing nobody took a stab at the guy. Think the Angels want a do-over knowing they could have had Fielder at half price of Poohols?
Captain Hook
Footballguy
Thisabove is wrong - Fielder is asking almost as much as Pujols
Pitchers going into Spring Training thinking they are starters:
Lewis
Holland
Darvish
Feliz
Harrison
Ogando
Feldman
Two of these guys are going to be disappointed. I hope the decision is made on merit and that no one is hurt. Still a good problem to have.
Two of these guys will join Nathan, Adams, Lowe, Uehara, Tateyama in the bullpen. I think it's going to end up being Feldman and Ogando. If I were the OSB, I would pull a Minor League move and pair Feliz and Ogando together. Feliz pitches 5 innings each start and then Ogando is the automatic first guy out of the Pen to relieve him, pitching 2 innings or so, to get to the 8th and 9th inning guys. Feldman is your long guy for all the other starters, and maybe get a spot start if you need to give Darvish an extra day off as he adapts to the MLB schedule.
Lewis
Holland
Darvish
Feliz
Harrison
Ogando
Feldman
Two of these guys are going to be disappointed. I hope the decision is made on merit and that no one is hurt. Still a good problem to have.
Two of these guys will join Nathan, Adams, Lowe, Uehara, Tateyama in the bullpen. I think it's going to end up being Feldman and Ogando. If I were the OSB, I would pull a Minor League move and pair Feliz and Ogando together. Feliz pitches 5 innings each start and then Ogando is the automatic first guy out of the Pen to relieve him, pitching 2 innings or so, to get to the 8th and 9th inning guys. Feldman is your long guy for all the other starters, and maybe get a spot start if you need to give Darvish an extra day off as he adapts to the MLB schedule.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
Not true - Ogando has already said he is fine going back to the bullpen (at least they told someone this time) and Feldman didn't have a rotation spot anyway - he will continue to be the long/swingman for the staff (and maybe he deserves a spot but not going to happen and he was very good in relief)
Bogart
Footballguy
Looks like Moreland gets the chance to prove he is better when healthy.
The infield seems set with Moreland, Kinsler, Elvis and Beltre. Young backs up every position and starts at DH. Napoli/Yorvit catches. Napoli will also play some 1B.
The only question really going into Spring Training is who is going to join Hamilton and Cruz in the OF. Will it be Murphy with Josh starting in CF or will it be Martin or Gentry with Josh in the corner.
Feels like the team might be missing a utility guy, unless they are just going to roll with 5 OF, 5 Inf and 3 catchers (
Luis Martinez). That leaves room for 12 pitchers on the opening day 25.
The infield seems set with Moreland, Kinsler, Elvis and Beltre. Young backs up every position and starts at DH. Napoli/Yorvit catches. Napoli will also play some 1B.
The only question really going into Spring Training is who is going to join Hamilton and Cruz in the OF. Will it be Murphy with Josh starting in CF or will it be Martin or Gentry with Josh in the corner.
Feels like the team might be missing a utility guy, unless they are just going to roll with 5 OF, 5 Inf and 3 catchers (
Luis Martinez). That leaves room for 12 pitchers on the opening day 25.
Eephus
Footballguy
Who is a bigger risk of significantly underperforming their deal: Fielder @ 9/214 or Darvish @ 6/108? Obviously the years and money is greater for Prince but he has much more of a proven track record. The posting fee is a difference from a cash flow perspective but needs to be figured in somewhere.
I think I've read that they both need to average a WAR of 4 over the life of their deals to be "worth it". I'll take the shorter deal on that bet. 9 years for someone built like Prince is a big risk. Boras did a hell of a job. Yu has no track record in the MLB, but it's not like he's a total unknown either.
Bogart
Footballguy
I agree, both are huge risks. Trying to put bias aside, I like the Darvish risk better.For one, I think he sees all six years of his contract. You would feel safe betting on a physically fit 25 year old Darvish over the 27 year old portly Fielder. I know that Fielder has played in all the games, never misses, etc but you have to think that body breaks down well before the 9 years are up.18 million a year is easier to swallow that 24 million a year. Not my money, but I think Detroit will be the first to utter "we can't get player X due to financial constrants" before Texas does, no matter how rich the owners are. This is still a business.Both instantly become the face of their franchise, in much different ways. The financial benefit to both clubs should be about the same. Potential vs. results. Fielder has done it, will he continue to do it? Darvish has never done it, but has the chance to be something special. JD and Nolan have earned my trust, I have to go with what they see in Darvish.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
The Tigers are INSANE for the contract given to Prince but giving $108 Million to a guy who has never faced big league hitters is perfectly normal.Hello 
Whole lotta fluff here.
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Bogart
Footballguy
Yep, welcome to Fluff Central. No opinions, no researched thoughts, just fluff.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
'Bogart said:
Changed the topic description and everything. Get the fluff outta here!
Bogart
Footballguy
Yeah, here in the Rangers thread, we want everyone to feel welcome.Even, arrogant blowhards who spout only solid non-fluff, intelligent, sports opinions.'Bogart said:
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Good grief, be more sensitive please.How am I an arrogant blowhard just because I called you out on your post about how the Fielder contract was "INSANE"?.....yet the Darvish contract is perfectly fine. Be honest, it's a homer's view.Yeah, here in the Rangers thread, we want everyone to feel welcome.Even, arrogant blowhards who spout only solid non-fluff, intelligent, sports opinions.'Bogart said:
Bogart
Footballguy
Hey, don't worry about us fluff talkers. Shouldn't you be working on Longoria's next contract?Good grief, be more sensitive please.How am I an arrogant blowhard just because I called you out on your post about how the Fielder contract was "INSANE"?.....yet the Darvish contract is perfectly fine. Be honest, it's a homer's view.Yeah, here in the Rangers thread, we want everyone to feel welcome.Even, arrogant blowhards who spout only solid non-fluff, intelligent, sports opinions.'Bogart said:
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Are all Ranger fans as sensitive as you?Hey, don't worry about us fluff talkers. Shouldn't you be working on Longoria's next contract?Good grief, be more sensitive please.How am I an arrogant blowhard just because I called you out on your post about how the Fielder contract was "INSANE"?.....yet the Darvish contract is perfectly fine. Be honest, it's a homer's view.Yeah, here in the Rangers thread, we want everyone to feel welcome.Even, arrogant blowhards who spout only solid non-fluff, intelligent, sports opinions.'Bogart said:
I should be working Evan's contract but apparently he'd rather just take whatever the Rays feel like giving him.
Bogart
Footballguy
No, I'm the only sensitive one.Are all Ranger fans as sensitive as you?Hey, don't worry about us fluff talkers. Shouldn't you be working on Longoria's next contract?Good grief, be more sensitive please.How am I an arrogant blowhard just because I called you out on your post about how the Fielder contract was "INSANE"?.....yet the Darvish contract is perfectly fine. Be honest, it's a homer's view.Yeah, here in the Rangers thread, we want everyone to feel welcome.Even, arrogant blowhards who spout only solid non-fluff, intelligent, sports opinions.'Bogart said:
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
That joke never gets old.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Yes, it was dumb. I like the guy and the extension. Kudos to Ryan sticking with him when that drug crap did come out.
Disco Stu
Confirmed FBGal
Bogart
Footballguy
Fluff, fluff, fluff, whine, whine, fluff, fluff, sensitive outburst, fluff
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Crack+fan+throw+lean=dead fan
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
Well that's a cynical take on a tough personal issue'ctdub said:
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Yeah seriously. I mean what ego? The guy wants a long-term extension. I don't live in Texas, but I don't hear him barking about it every day or anything is he? Obviously there are reasons why a team wouldn't want to invest several years and millions of dollars in him cause of stuff like this, but it's not like his performance hasn't warranted it to this point. The contract stuff is going to be interesting, but I just hope the guy can get back on track. Such a fun player to watch, and easily my favorite non-Yankee playing today.
I haven't seen that reported. I hope it's true. Makes a lot more sense than hitting Sherlock's together.
Not cynical at all. Ego may not have been the best word. I've personally felt like he has had a chip on his shoulder since his words about Dave Anderson after his injury this season and then some of the contract rumors coming out that he wants a Jason Werth -Carl Crawford type deal. I just feel he is being a little unreasonable for a guy as unstable with his addiction and injury history. Maybe ego isn't the right word. Don't get me wrong, I like him, I like him a lot and I hope he's a ranger for life and can overcome his demons. He most likely did just cost himself some leverage in contract negotiations and that's what I was saying.
Bogart
Footballguy
I hate to see this for Josh. I really do.
As much as I want to talk about what this does for his contract talks, etc, I just really want him and his family to be able to get past this. The guy has demons that most people have no clue about, and he has to fight his in front of the fans, the media and the Internet.
As much as I want to talk about what this does for his contract talks, etc, I just really want him and his family to be able to get past this. The guy has demons that most people have no clue about, and he has to fight his in front of the fans, the media and the Internet.
Bogart
Footballguy
Josh spoke with the media.
From what he said, and other info is coming out, he is not living in his house, and was staying just a few blocks from this bar. Could be marital issues at home, and he felt the need to have a couple of beers. He told Kinsler that he was only going to have 3 or 4, but of course he didn't stop there.
From what he said, and other info is coming out, he is not living in his house, and was staying just a few blocks from this bar. Could be marital issues at home, and he felt the need to have a couple of beers. He told Kinsler that he was only going to have 3 or 4, but of course he didn't stop there.
Bogart
Footballguy
Josh cleared this up as well:He had already had a few drinks when he called Kinsler up to join him. He did NOT drink any while Kinsler was there, and then went back out after he and Kisler left Sherlocks.
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Bogart
Footballguy
Conor Jackson and Joe Beimel signed to minor league deals today, with invites to Spring Training.
I was a Jackson fan from way back when he was suppose to be in a package deal for Teixeria back in the day. I don't see a spot for him on the 25 man, but you never know what might happen.
I was a Jackson fan from way back when he was suppose to be in a package deal for Teixeria back in the day. I don't see a spot for him on the 25 man, but you never know what might happen.
Bogart
Footballguy
Nelson Cruz with a 2 year deal for $16 million. Sounds about right. He is basically getting what he wanted in arbitration this year and a million dollar raise the year after. That gives him 2 years to see if he can stay healthy for a full season and at the end he will be 33, good for one big contract.
Really curious to see how Napoli's situation plays out. I won't even pretend to know what kind of deal would be fair for him.
Really curious to see how Napoli's situation plays out. I won't even pretend to know what kind of deal would be fair for him.
