It's completely as useful to me now as it was then. I see little differenceShould this same resource also be the place where any person anywhere can say that nastiest stuff they can think of? Does it NEED to be that place?
This seems to be the very difficult question. It doesn't personally bother me because I'm numb to people being horrible and stupid on the internet, so I prefer things staying more open and unmoderated. Some of the stuff I learned from the Twitter Files was offensive and shocking. That's not to say Musk isn't doing the same things, or doing anything any better. I was fine with Twitter the way it was run before, in part out of my own ignorance, and I'm fine with the way its being run now. I guess its somewhat odd that I won't pay for it, but I think that's the case.
No. There are voices that nobody needs to hear.Do we? is it really necessary for everyone to reach everyone?In the meantime, we badly need a public square that is not subject to the kind of censorship pressure imposed by (a) the previous Twitter regime
I use it exactly like you and I don’t see myself paying for it either. It’s become a time waster for me and maybe it’ll spur me to get off my phone more.Do we? is it really necessary for everyone to reach everyone?In the meantime, we badly need a public square that is not subject to the kind of censorship pressure imposed by (a) the previous Twitter regime
I don't think the way you've stated it here does justice to the value of Twitter for me. No, it is not necessary for everyone to reach everyone, and I could easily do without Twitter, but the information sharing and breaking news aspect of Twitter is unique as far as I know. The ability to follow people and get their off-the-cuff opinions on things of interest to me has value. In contrast, the commentary/discussion aspect of it has little value, just like I'm not going to read the comment section on Youtube. But I don't see myself paying a subscription fee for Twitter - even a very small one - just out of principle. Its backwards to me for a model that depends on users to make money to charge those users for access.
I don't want to reach anyone. I'm just tired of people telling me who I can read.Do we? is it really necessary for everyone to reach everyone?In the meantime, we badly need a public square that is not subject to the kind of censorship pressure imposed by (a) the previous Twitter regime
Agreed. Also, from a purely pragmatic perspective, having information diffused throughout the internet is probably better than having it centralized. Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook are all inviting targets for regulators and hall-monitor types. It's a lot harder to employ censorship effectively if you're trying to police sites like, say, this one. In theory, regulators could dig down to the architecture that lies below websites, but that's a lot clumsier and (I think) therefore harder to pull off effectively.Perspective needs to be regained IMO. The internet is our "public square". As far as I know, in this country, one can go to any part of that public square that they want. Twitter was merely a megaphone and/or summary created by others of that public square. It is, today, what it was 3 years ago. The summary is just different. There are literally thousands of ways to achieve the same sort of aggregation on the internet, but they require individuals to set them up themselves instead of relying on others to do it. There seems to be a mass conflation between desire and ability when people talk about source consumption. There's a very big difference between ability to read whomever/whatever one wants and the desire/effort it takes to get that input.
Agreed. Also, from a purely pragmatic perspective, having information diffused throughout the internet is probably better than having it centralized. Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook are all inviting targets for regulators and hall-monitor types. It's a lot harder to employ censorship effectively if you're trying to police sites like, say, this one. In theory, regulators could dig down to the architecture that lies below websites, but that's a lot clumsier and (I think) therefore harder to pull off effectively.Perspective needs to be regained IMO. The internet is our "public square". As far as I know, in this country, one can go to any part of that public square that they want. Twitter was merely a megaphone and/or summary created by others of that public square. It is, today, what it was 3 years ago. The summary is just different. There are literally thousands of ways to achieve the same sort of aggregation on the internet, but they require individuals to set them up themselves instead of relying on others to do it. There seems to be a mass conflation between desire and ability when people talk about source consumption. There's a very big difference between ability to read whomever/whatever one wants and the desire/effort it takes to get that input.
Twitter is nice in the sense that I can be exposed to a very wide assortment of viewpoints on a whole bunch of topics in one place, that I personally get to curate to my liking. That's awesome. But if commercial realities make that unsustainable, oh well. I was happy back in the blog era too.
Yes, this is definitely true. Censorship is not the solution though. I get that you're not saying it is. At least with the status quo, I can choose to keep my personal bubble relatively wide and broad. Censorship institutionalizes a small bubble for everybody.Agreed. Also, from a purely pragmatic perspective, having information diffused throughout the internet is probably better than having it centralized. Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook are all inviting targets for regulators and hall-monitor types. It's a lot harder to employ censorship effectively if you're trying to police sites like, say, this one. In theory, regulators could dig down to the architecture that lies below websites, but that's a lot clumsier and (I think) therefore harder to pull off effectively.Perspective needs to be regained IMO. The internet is our "public square". As far as I know, in this country, one can go to any part of that public square that they want. Twitter was merely a megaphone and/or summary created by others of that public square. It is, today, what it was 3 years ago. The summary is just different. There are literally thousands of ways to achieve the same sort of aggregation on the internet, but they require individuals to set them up themselves instead of relying on others to do it. There seems to be a mass conflation between desire and ability when people talk about source consumption. There's a very big difference between ability to read whomever/whatever one wants and the desire/effort it takes to get that input.
Twitter is nice in the sense that I can be exposed to a very wide assortment of viewpoints on a whole bunch of topics in one place, that I personally get to curate to my liking. That's awesome. But if commercial realities make that unsustainable, oh well. I was happy back in the blog era too.
I think the problem (for society), is that most people AREN’T using social media to be exposed to a wide range of views. Rather, it allows people to find others with the same views, enables them to self silo from everyone else, and then the algorithms normalize and amplify those views. So the weirdo with the dangerous extremist views was previously ignored and it was made clear to them that their view did not fit in society. But now they are able to find all the other similar weirdos and start to believe that their extremist/dangerous views are actually mainstream.
Yes. If Musk hadn't purchased Twitter, there is a very high likelihood that Missouri vs. Biden would not have happened. And Twitter definitely seems to have lightened up on moderation compared to the previous regime. Those are both very strong steps in the right direction IMO.Didn’t Elon buy Twitter to promote free speech?
I don`t use Twitter that often but it just seems "Same as always"
I did not care about the first owner nor do I care that Musk owns it. I find what I am looking for.
It was a "semantic" joke (since he's charging now).Yes. If Musk hadn't purchased Twitter, there is a very high likelihood that Missouri vs. Biden would not have happened. And Twitter definitely seems to have lightened up on moderation compared to the previous regime. Those are both very strong steps in the right direction IMO.Didn’t Elon buy Twitter to promote free speech?
Edit: To clarify: the "everyone doesn't need to reach everyone" and "some voices shouldn't be heard by anyone" crowd are generally anti-Twitter and definitely anti-Musk.
He's not charging yet.It was a "semantic" joke (since he's charging now).
I'd go further and say anti-social media in general and anti all the people who put those wheels in motion. There's a whole lot of "anti" to go around on this topic.Yes. If Musk hadn't purchased Twitter, there is a very high likelihood that Missouri vs. Biden would not have happened. And Twitter definitely seems to have lightened up on moderation compared to the previous regime. Those are both very strong steps in the right direction IMO.Didn’t Elon buy Twitter to promote free speech?
Edit: To clarify: the "everyone doesn't need to reach everyone" and "some voices shouldn't be heard by anyone" crowd are generally anti-Twitter and definitely anti-Musk.
There is a sort of weird knock-on effect of if he charges and say 50 million people pay (pick a number), that base may be a better, more attractive, advertising base to advertisers. Being able to target advertising is really attractive to companies.He's not charging yet.It was a "semantic" joke (since he's charging now).
He's saying he's going to do it. Like saying he's going to sue the Anti-Defamation League (apparently they said mean things, and you see, THAT'S the reason my company is only worth a fraction of what I paid for it).
Although I think this is more likely to happen, because the only person bleeding money here is him. I think he'll have to at least try it.
I don't know, tho. If he charged, would all the bots disappear? All the fake users and followers? Does everyone on Twitter really want that?
Assuming many people don't pay, and go somewhere else, user numbers drop, traffic drops, and monthly fees need to make up for advertising drop. Possible, I guess.
Right, it could work. Pay to post, free to lurk?There is a sort of weird knock-on effect of if he charges and say 50 million people pay (pick a number), that base may be a better, more attractive, advertising base to advertisers. Being able to target advertising is really attractive to companies.
Processing payments at that scale is tough though especially if they take debit cards.
I would probably bet against that.There is a sort of weird knock-on effect of if he charges and say 50 million people pay (pick a number), that base may be a better, more attractive, advertising base to advertisers. Being able to target advertising is really attractive to companies.He's not charging yet.It was a "semantic" joke (since he's charging now).
He's saying he's going to do it. Like saying he's going to sue the Anti-Defamation League (apparently they said mean things, and you see, THAT'S the reason my company is only worth a fraction of what I paid for it).
Although I think this is more likely to happen, because the only person bleeding money here is him. I think he'll have to at least try it.
I don't know, tho. If he charged, would all the bots disappear? All the fake users and followers? Does everyone on Twitter really want that?
Assuming many people don't pay, and go somewhere else, user numbers drop, traffic drops, and monthly fees need to make up for advertising drop. Possible, I guess.
Processing payments at that scale is tough though especially if they take debit cards.
Elon Musk paid a visit to the US-Mexico border on Thursday evening, but his attempt to livestream the occasion on his platform Twitter-now-known-as-X didn't quite go as planned.
The centi-billionaire has reignited his obsession with immigration as of late, promising earlier this week to visit the Texas border town of Eagle Pass "to see what's going on for myself."
Wearing a black stetson — correctly, a hat expert says— and mirrored aviators, and standing in front of a formation of similarly garbed guys with their thumbs in their pockets and their hips tilted forward, Musk kicked off his livestream by promising to show his followers the "unfiltered" and "real story."
But barely four minutes in, the video aburptly froze and the entire livestream crashed, raining on Musk's parade.
Behind the scenes, tech reporter Ryan Mac reports that minutes later, Musk sent a brief company-wide email.
"Please fix this," he implored.
He has a fun meeting coming up with his creditorsNo headlines….that’ll fix it.
is depreciating your asset by 36 billion badHe has a fun meeting coming up with his creditorsNo headlines….that’ll fix it.
Estimate of value: 8 billion
Everything is still pointing to this.Trying to kill it off and take bankruptcy? Probably his final move here I guess.Hard to imagine there was any other intent. He was openly mocking his users earlier today basically telling them to get a life. Can you imagine any other owner/CEO/service provider mocking people for wanting to use their product/service?The idea was to blow up the town square. Done deal.
McDonalds has a fry shortage, McDonalds CEO: "Hey learn how to cook yourself. Besides these things are horrible for you."
MLB strike, MLB commissioner: "Why don't you just watch football or basketball instead?'"
Long waiting period to see your doctor, doctor: "Well maybe if you took better care of yourself you wouldn't need this appointment, think about that while you are waiting 6 months".
He bought it to destroy it.
He bought it to destroy it.
Didn't he try and get out of the deal once he realized he was in over his head? That would point to a radically different motive. It could have simply been that he was hubristic enough to think he could run it and realized he was in over his head and is now punting in a different way.
Seeing a lot more accounts I followed on X now on Threads. No idea on metrics.Has there been any traction with Threads? Are they adding users or has it died off?
I never knew anything about Musk's management style before he bought Twitter. By now I am pretty confident he follows the "move fast and break things" model. I doubt he is purposely trying to destroy it, but he will definitely take some wrong steps and eventually correct them. The only thing I really disagree with him on is the rebranding to X. That seems like a really poor decision and should be reversed imo.He bought it to destroy it.
Yes.Didn't he try and get out of the deal once he realized he was in over his head?
No headlines….that’ll fix it.
I haven’t read it yet, but I’ve got the hardcover next to me in my next up pile. Scanning table of contents, last 100 or so pages are mostly about Twitter.Does anyone know whether the new Walter Isaacson biography of Musk gets into the Twitter acquisition? My feeling is its very hard to pass judgment on his motivations from afar but Isaacson apparently had great access. I'm just not sure whether his access carried into the Twitter phase.
Both can be true.He bought it to destroy it.
Didn't he try and get out of the deal once he realized he was in over his head? That would point to a radically different motive. It could have simply been that he was hubristic enough to think he could run it and realized he was in over his head and is now punting in a different way.
Both can be true.
Not saying this is the case, but he could have initially expressed interest in buying Twitter with the intention to “destroy it”, then tried to back out after it was too late, then started all his evil master plan after forced to follow through with his purchase. Again, not saying this is close to being what happened, but this is how both can be true.Both can be true.
I've got to disagree. I think they're mutually exclusive. I don't see how those two things are able to be reconciled.
Not saying this is the case, but he could have initially expressed interest in buying Twitter with the intention to “destroy it”, then tried to back out after it was too late, then started all his evil master plan after forced to follow through with his purchase. Again, not saying this is close to being what happened, but this is how both can be true.
That's pretty much my perception of events. Elon started the negotiations to buy Twitter with the intention of exposing all the bots but not actually intending on buying Twitter. He got outsmarted.Not saying this is the case, but he could have initially expressed interest in buying Twitter with the intention to “destroy it”, then tried to back out after it was too late, then started all his evil master plan after forced to follow through with his purchase. Again, not saying this is close to being what happened, but this is how both can be true.
Hmm . . .
Not buying it.
It doesn’t seem to implausible for someone to choose something reckless/destrctive/for the lols/ to then get cold feet and try to back out.Both can be true.
I've got to disagree. I think they're mutually exclusive. I don't see how those two things are able to be reconciled.
And then once outsmarted what is his goal? Doesn’t seem like his goal is making Twitter thrive. I mean Twitter doesn’t even exist anymore.That's pretty much my perception of events. Elon started the negotiations to buy Twitter with the intention of exposing all the bots but not actually intending on buying Twitter. He got outsmarted.Not saying this is the case, but he could have initially expressed interest in buying Twitter with the intention to “destroy it”, then tried to back out after it was too late, then started all his evil master plan after forced to follow through with his purchase. Again, not saying this is close to being what happened, but this is how both can be true.
Hmm . . .
Not buying it.
It doesn’t seem to implausible for someone to choose something reckless/destrctive/for the lols/ to then get cold feet and try to back out.
He didn't have a goal when he was forced to buy Twitter. His goal was to hurt Twitter from the outside while sustaining minimal damage to himself. He started scrambling for new goals after being forced to buy what he damaged.And then once outsmarted what is his goal? Doesn’t seem like his goal is making Twitter thrive. I mean Twitter doesn’t even exist anymore.That's pretty much my perception of events. Elon started the negotiations to buy Twitter with the intention of exposing all the bots but not actually intending on buying Twitter. He got outsmarted.Not saying this is the case, but he could have initially expressed interest in buying Twitter with the intention to “destroy it”, then tried to back out after it was too late, then started all his evil master plan after forced to follow through with his purchase. Again, not saying this is close to being what happened, but this is how both can be true.
Hmm . . .
Not buying it.
Did he think he would actually lose 30B though? Given his success in life, I’m sure he had a sense he could have fun and not suffer financial consequence. All that money is pretty insulating to the idea of failure.It doesn’t seem to implausible for someone to choose something reckless/destrctive/for the lols/ to then get cold feet and try to back out.
Losing 30B doesn't seem very lulzy.
Agreed, and this is my answer to your statement that he doesn't seem to be trying to improve it.Did he think he would actually lose 30B though? Given his success in life, I’m sure he had a sense he could have fun and not suffer financial consequence. All that money is pretty insulating to the idea of failure.
It could also be that the EV market (and generally tech market) has continued to shift towards what he’s really good at (ie Tesla) and his time is better spent there in the year since he purchased Twitter. To put some number on it, since he bought Twitter he’s probably lost 15-20 billion there, but made more than that on his TSLA (and SpaceX) shares.Agreed, and this is my answer to your statement that he doesn't seem to be trying to improve it.Did he think he would actually lose 30B though? Given his success in life, I’m sure he had a sense he could have fun and not suffer financial consequence. All that money is pretty insulating to the idea of failure.
I think he thinks that's exactly what he is doing. I think he thinks this is the springboard to the everything app he wanted to do 20 years ago, and that a lot of people are dying to pay for Twitter, and Twitter content. I think he dramatically overestimates the value of Twitter to everyone not chronically online. And I think he thinks this is the best way to monetize something he thinks is incredibly important to everyone.