OP/ED: Biden Will Be Impeached After The Mid Terms & WWYD (5/17/22 19:42 PST) (1 Viewer)

[GordonGekko]

Direct Headline: Gearing Up for G.O.P. Gains, White House Braces for Barrage of Inquiries

President Biden’s legal team is laying the groundwork to defend against an expected onslaught of oversight investigations by congressional Republicans, should they take one or both chambers in the midterm elections — including preparing for the possibility of impeachment....As part of those preparations, Mr. Biden and his White House counsel, Dana Remus, have hired Richard A. Sauber, a longtime white-collar defense lawyer who is now the top lawyer at the Department of Veterans Affairs....

Republicans have also signaled an intent to scrutinize various matters related to the pandemic that could reach into the White House, including the administration’s imposition of mask mandates and the extension of an evictions moratorium, both of which were later blocked in court....And they have listed a series of other topics they intend to dig into, including the .... withdrawal from Afghanistan and the surge in (illegal) migration across the southwestern border....Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas, said ..... “there will be enormous pressure on a Republican House to begin impeachment proceedings....The Democrats weaponized impeachment.....They used it for partisan purposes to go after Trump because they disagreed with him. … What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.......”

......Still, the party that does not control the presidency typically does well in the midterms....Among (Sauber's) clients was Susan Rice, a top official in the Obama and Biden administrations, during the Republican-led investigation into the 2012 attack in Benghazi, Libya.....Mr. Sauber will have the title “special counsel to the president,”.....This year, a lot of (Congressional) seats are up for grabs, including all 435 House seats, 35 of the 100 Senate seats and 36 of 50 governorships.....What do the midterms mean for Biden? With slim majorities in Congress, Democrats have struggled to pass Mr. Biden’s agenda. Republican control of the House or Senate would make the president’s legislative goals a near-impossibility.....In 2011, (Bauer) was the White House counsel to President Barack Obama when Republicans took over the House and began investigating matters like the botched “Fast and Furious” gun-trafficking case.....

....In April, Representative Greg Murphy, Republican of North Carolina, (said) there were “plenty” of grounds to impeach Mr. Biden, citing the border crisis, Afghanistan and other ways he said the president had committed offenses “against the heart and soul of this country.”.... The dilemma... was that Ms. (Kamala) Harris, who would become president if Mr. Biden were removed, was worse......

.... Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, who is likely to become speaker if Republicans take the House, and asked whether he would move to impeach Mr. Biden....McCarthy, the minority leader, accused Democrats of using impeachment “for political reasons,” which he said Republicans would not do..... Still, he vowed to hold the Biden administration accountable and follow the facts.....“We believe in the rule of law.....We’re not going to pick and choose just because somebody has power. We’re going to uphold the law. At any time, if someone breaks the law and the ramification becomes impeachment, we would move toward that........"

By Charlie Savage and Michael S. Schmidt May 14, 2022

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/14/us/politics/white-house-lawyers-oversight.html

https://newrepublic.com/article/166152/republicans-impeach-joe-biden-2022

Direct Headline: Over Two-thirds of Republicans Think President Biden Should be Impeached if the GOP Retakes the House, According to New National UMass Amherst Poll

68% of Republicans and Trump voters and 66% of conservatives all would like to see the President charged by Congress for treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors, the formal criteria for impeachment laid out in the Constitution....

“The decision to impeach a president was once viewed as a last resort to reign in a president who pushed or broke through the boundaries of our laws, values and ethics....Today, impeachment is no longer a final option, but one of many weapons to be used in an era of rampant partisan polarization to gain an upper hand on one’s partisan opponents.....In the 2018 midterm, turnout was at its highest level since 1914 with close to 120 million Americans going to the polls....Our results suggest that the days of low voter turnout in midterm elections may be over with Americans on both sides of the partisan divide expressing excitement to vote in 2022 and expressing their belief that the results of the 2022 midterm will be important for the nation’s future.”.....Far and away, the poll finds that the economy is the top issue on voters’ minds. Nearly one-third of all respondents (32%), nearly half of Republicans (45%) and more than a third of independents (37%) tabbed the economy as their most important issue when making their candidate choice in the midterms. ....Meanwhile nearly identical proportions of Democrats cited the economy (22%), climate change (20%) and abortion (18%) as their top issue heading into this November’s election.

....“Democrats already face likely losses in Congress during the midterms, and if inflation doesn’t cool off soon those losses could be very serious....If the past is any indication, then President Biden and the Democratic Party will likely lose seats in the U.S. Congress if not total control of both the House and the Senate,”......

UMass May 13, 2022

https://www.umass.edu/news/article/over-two-thirds-republicans-think-president-biden-should-be-impeached-if-gop-retakes

Hunter Biden Laptop Emails Complete Archive

https://bidenlaptopemails.com/

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The Republican Party will likely take control of both the HOR and Senate in the 2022 Mid Terms. If that happens, I expect for sitting POTUS Joe Biden to be impeached.

While there is a long list of scandals and failures (pick one, they are all ugly), and while the economy/inflation will be the main trigger points to enrage the average working class American citizen, the practical legal pathway will likely be one of / some of:

1) The Border Crisis

2) The Disastrous Withdrawal From Afghanistan

3) Some Scandal Rooting From The Hunter Biden Laptop

4) COVID19 Response/Failure (This will include school lock downs, business lock downs, vaccine mandates, mask mandates, financial oversight incompetence/corruption/fraud, etc, etc)

Questions For Discussion:

A) WWYD / What Would You Do :  If you were a member of the HOR or the Senate, what would your vote be for impeachment of Joe Biden?

B) If you would vote to impeach Joe Biden, specifically why?  What would you consider as the most pressing issue? ( I'm going to ask the endless gaggle of lawyers here in the FBG forums to acknowledge that most people here are not in the legal game. Please do not run tribalist purity tests on "high crimes and misdemeanors"  Let people have their say on this. )

C) If you would vote NOT to impeach Joe Biden, specifically why?  What would you consider as the most pressing reasons to avoid impeachment for what you feel would be the most likely scandal presented forward? Or feel free to cover all of them.

D) For both types of respondents, where does "The Kamala Harris Factor" come into play? Will your view of the VPOTUS and her competence/incompetence or any other line of succession issue sway your decision at all?

E) If Biden is impeached after the Mid Terms, do you have a general opinion on the clear shift in how impeachment is being used in modern American politics?

I'll leave this here for others to discuss.

 

[GordonGekko]

CONTEXTUAL MATERIAL:

United States Senate - About Impeachment

The United States Constitution provides that the House of Representatives "shall have the sole Power of Impeachment" (Article I, section 2) and "the Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments … [but] no person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present" (Article I, section 3). The president, vice president, and all civil officers of the United States are subject to impeachment....

....Through the impeachment process, Congress charges and then tries an official of the federal government for “Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.” The definition of “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” was not specified in the Constitution and has long been the subject of debate.....

In impeachment proceedings, the House of Representatives charges an official of the federal government by approving, by simple majority vote, articles of impeachment. After the House of Representatives sends its articles of impeachment to the Senate, the Senate sits as a High Court of Impeachment to consider evidence, hear witnesses, and vote to acquit or convict the impeached official. A committee of representatives, called “managers,” act as prosecutors before the Senate. In the case of presidential impeachment trials, the chief justice of the United States presides. The Constitution requires a two-thirds vote of the Senate to convict, and the penalty for an impeached official upon conviction is removal from office. In some cases, the Senate has also disqualified such officials from holding public offices in the future. There is no appeal.....

https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/impeachment.htm

Direct Headline: Why it matters that Jim Jordan is talking about impeaching Biden

It’s tempting to ignore the Republicans’ impeachment dreams, but the closer one looks, the more relevant Jim Jordan’s crusade appears....Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio, the top Republican on the House Judiciary Committee who is poised to control the panel if the GOP takeover next year, said Republicans must consider impeaching President Biden. He said the GOP should weigh impeaching Mr. Biden for failures in office, most notably his administration’s inability to stop a massive influx of illegal immigration through the southern border.....First, Jordan isn’t just some random far-right legislator of little consequence. On the contrary, the Ohio Republican would likely be the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee if there’s a GOP majority in the House next year....And which congressional panel is responsible for initiating presidential impeachment proceedings? The House Judiciary Committee.....

By Steve Benen March 29, 2022, 6:20 AM PDT

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/matters-jim-jordan-talking-impeaching-biden-rcna21970

TWEET: Alex Theodoridis XX@XXAGTheodoridis

A stunning 68% of Republicans say the House should impeach Joe Biden if the GOP wins the majority...

10:30 AM · May 13, 2022

https://twitter.com/AGTheodoridis/status/1525166547794374657

Direct Headline: We need a reset with the midterms — and then Biden’s impeachment

The upcoming midterm elections could represent the most complex political calculus in history. The question is whether a potential Republican majority in the House and Senate, combined with a bloc of pragmatic Democratic senators, might decide to impeach President Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris.....Joe Biden has set the stage for his demise. The American economy is in a death spiral. Inflation is skyrocketing, and most of the voting public understands that the disaster is because of Biden’s policies. His lame attempts to blame everyone but himself (“conspiracies” among energy companies, auto companies, food companies, irrational consumers, etc.) are falling on deaf ears. The polls are clear: the majority of voters feel Biden is mishandling the economy. His tone-deaf message that more government spending will heal the problem is not resonating with voters. .....

Pension plans — yes, those plans that provide pensions for teachers, firefighters, police, other public employees, union members and all other private sector workers — are in serious jeopardy. IRA and 401(k) savings are collapsing. Inflation is eating up the incomes and wage gains of all middle-class and low-income workers. The Fed’s rising interest rates will crush the market and further raise the net cost of financing business, houses, cars, etc.....Biden’s energy policies have been a disaster. Every American, every day, sees the results of his policies when they fill up their cars with gas or pay their utility bills. Prices have skyrocketed under Biden....Additionally, Biden’s Transportation and Treasury leadership have been abject failures at stemming supply chain problems, trade issues, and economic collapse.....

Many Black and Hispanic American citizens reportedly are leaving the Democratic Party as they realize that Biden’s illegal and criminal open-border policies have led to millions of illegal immigrants flooding the country, taking away lower-wage jobs and diluting the voting power of minorities. American citizens also realize that these policies are bringing in criminals with illegal drugs, spiking urban crime and drug-related deaths.....The Biden administration’s COVID policies and lockdowns were abject failures and led to accelerated deaths, mental illness, and economic contraction..... Biden’s notion that teachers “own” America’s children, and have as much or more rights than parents in teaching children values and beliefs, is straight from the communist playbook. The Justice Department’s reported branding of upset American parents as “domestic terrorists,” if true, is beyond appalling.....

And Biden’s fully incompetent, politically motivated defense and foreign policies and leadership have invited aggression and adventurism by our enemies — which will only get worse....Most importantly, Biden’s politics and rhetoric, and his weaponization of the Justice Department against ordinary Americans, has been unprecedented in its divisiveness, corrosive to American civil society. His overt support for progressive street riots, burning cities, and physical intimidation of his opponents represents a new low in American democracy....If Republicans take control of the House, they can move quickly on Articles of Impeachment... (via) the threshold of “high crimes.” ....Of course, the indication on Hunter Biden’s laptop that Joe Biden likely was involved in potential criminal activity involving payoffs from foreign enemies could become additional evidence of high crimes....

by Grady Means 05/16/22 12:00 PM ET

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/3487514-we-need-a-reset-with-the-midterms-and-then-bidens-impeachment/

Direct Headline: Opinion: How history will view the disastrous Biden years

When historians study the disaster that was the Biden administration, they will find many factors that contributed to the historic level failure we are witnessing. At the top of the list is a president who is clearly just not up to the job. Whether due to age, cognitive decline or general ineptitude, Joe Biden has not been able to lead America. Nobody wants a weak president. People can smell weakness, and Biden reeks of it. The president put himself in a further hole by surrounding himself with a young staff driven more by a rigid, left-wing ideology than a desire to help the lives of everyday Americans. With a leader seemingly too weak to temper his team’s radical ideas, the results have been catastrophic....

.....How did things fall so far so fast for Biden and the Democrats? Amazingly, the president seemed to capture the national mood perfectly in his inaugural address. Americans are not happy. ....Biden immediately dismantled many of former President Donald Trump’s border security policies. That’s not surprising from a Democratic politician. But Biden had no replacement plan. He took down policies that were working and didn’t bother to put in place any plan of his own to secure the border. When the predictable crisis followed, the Biden team’s first reaction was to pretend that everything was fine; there was no crisis. When you have the majority of the media on your team, you can try audacious explanations like that, but it was too much. ....Following an election where many Democrats openly advocated for open borders and decriminalizing illegal border crossing, the political blame for the crisis at the border landed squarely in the president’s lap.....

But the biggest liability for the president isn’t the border; it’s the rising prices hammering the American people. Knowing the political price they are likely to pay for skyrocketing inflation, team Biden is desperately trying to spin this away as the “Putin Price Hike.” Unfortunately, the record is so clear that only the most committed partisans would try to repeat that whopper....When Biden took office, the first big economic debate was over his nearly $2 trillion COVID-19 stimulus package, the so-called American Rescue Plan. Coming on the heels of multiple Trump COVID-19 stimulus policies, many leading experts in both parties warned that Biden’s spending was going too far. Overstimulating the economy in this way, they argued, would come with the risk of high inflation..... Bill Clinton’s Treasury Secretary, Lawrence Summers, and Barack Obama’s chief economist, Jason Furman, were also warning very directly about inflation, beginning early in the Biden presidency. .....The Biden team and their surrogates in the press not only ignored these warnings from leading Democrats; they attacked them viciously for daring to dissent. Topped perhaps only by his tragic predictions about the doomed Afghanistan withdrawal, Biden defended his huge spending proposals with an argument that would be truly comical if it weren’t so sad: “The one thing we learned is we can’t do too much here. We can do too little.”....They did too much.

By Neil Patel April 25, 2022 at 9:15 a.m.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2022/04/25/patel-how-history-will-view-the-disastrous-biden-years/

 

[moleculo]

Show me a (high) crime, and I'm down with impeachment.   Otherwise, blatant partisan hackery to the highest order and not something I can support.   

(in before whining about how democrats did it too)

 

[PhillipPhoto]

Yep. All those reasons and x2 on unfit and incompetent.  

 

[PhillipPhoto]

Show me a (high) crime, and I'm down with impeachment.   Otherwise, blatant partisan hackery to the highest order and not something I can support.   

(in before whining about how democrats did it too)

Gerald Ford

"high crimes and misdemeanors” should be defined as “whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers them to be at a moment in history."

 

[The Big Donkey]

waste of time and resources, imo. just like the last two.    

 

[moleculo]

Gerald Ford

"high crimes and misdemeanors” should be defined as “whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers them to be at a moment in history."

Welp, I guess any time the House is a different party than the president, we can expect impeachments.  This will certainly be an interesting era in American history.  We had a good run, I guess.

 

[PhillipPhoto]

Welp, I guess any time the House is a different party than the president, we can expect impeachments.  This will certainly be an interesting era in American history.  We had a good run, I guess.

Dems set a hell of a precedent.  

 

[dkp993]

It would be a mistake in the same vain as eliminating the filibuster to pack the court.  In many ways we are standing on the edge of a very slippery slope. I fully expected the Dems to succumb to the pressures and pack the court, was happy to see they didn’t.  I hope the GOP stands up to the pressure of impeachment in the same way.  Biden has been a dreadful no doubt about it, but let the voters have their say in ‘24.  More normalcy is what we need not more partisan insanity.   

 

[parasaurolophus]

It would be a mistake in the same vain as eliminating the filibuster to pack the court.  In many ways we are standing on the edge of a very slippery slope. I fully expected the Dems to succumb to the pressures and pack the court, was happy to see they didn’t.  I hope the GOP stands up to the pressure of impeachment in the same way.  Biden has been a dreadful no doubt about it, but let the voters have their say in ‘24.  More normalcy is what we need not more partisan insanity.   

The Dems wouldn't have been able to pack the court. Only reason they didn't try. 

 

[The Future Champs]

President Kamala Harris will pick Hillary Clinton as her VP.   Checkmate.

 

[Joe Bryant]

President Kamala Harris will pick Hillary Clinton as her VP.   Checkmate.

The Poison Pill? Hmmm.

 

[Toby2ElectricBugaloo]

The Dems wouldn't have been able to pack the court. Only reason they didn't try. 

Wut

 

[IvanKaramazov]

It would be a mistake in the same vain as eliminating the filibuster to pack the court.  In many ways we are standing on the edge of a very slippery slope. I fully expected the Dems to succumb to the pressures and pack the court, was happy to see they didn’t.  I hope the GOP stands up to the pressure of impeachment in the same way.  Biden has been a dreadful no doubt about it, but let the voters have their say in ‘24.  More normalcy is what we need not more partisan insanity.   

Agreed.  Biden has been very disappointing so far, but he's been bad the same way that somebody like Jimmy Carter was bad.  Bad within normal parameters.  He'll probably lose if he runs for reelection, but there's no particular reason why we can't put up with him for another 2.5 years.  

Folks like Nixon, Clinton, and Trump were different.  The first two guys were talented politicians who probably could have been perfectly fine presidents if it wasn't for all the law-breaking.  The third guy was a little more uniquely troublesome.  But all three of them did tangible things you can point to that made it intolerable to have them occupying the White House.  Biden doesn't belong in that category.

 

[Boston]

Agreed.  Biden has been very disappointing so far, but he's been bad the same way that somebody like Jimmy Carter was bad.  Bad within normal parameters.  He'll probably lose if he runs for reelection, but there's no particular reason why we can't put up with him for another 2.5 years.  

Folks like Nixon, Clinton, and Trump were different.  The first two guys were talented politicians who probably could have been perfectly fine presidents if it wasn't for all the law-breaking.  The third guy was a little more uniquely troublesome.  But all three of them did tangible things you can point to that made it intolerable to have them occupying the White House.  Biden doesn't belong in that category.

Agreed...I do feel he is physically/mentally unfit to be President but he should not be impeached...politically, chasing impeachment is just a horrible strategy for the GOP...just awful...right now he is the GOP's best friend as they look better because of his administration...if they take back congress they should act serious and just stick to meat and potato issues like inflation, gas prices, education, the border and crime and stuff that actually matters to the regular folk...with a President that has no ability to connect with the general population, a party that is obsessed with identity politics and tacking further left and has a limited bench for 2024 as well as the growing belief/data that the Hispanic vote is beginning to drift right the GOP has never been a better position to build an electoral advantage for the future...if they waste time on an impeachment circus it will make Biden a sympathetic figure as well as pissing off the general population because that will not show them you are helping them get out of the rut the country is currently in but instead more interested in political payback...it would be a blunder of incredible magnitude...just concentrate on solving problems...keep it simple.

 

[Zow]

Agreed.  Biden has been very disappointing so far, but he's been bad the same way that somebody like Jimmy Carter was bad.  Bad within normal parameters.  He'll probably lose if he runs for reelection, but there's no particular reason why we can't put up with him for another 2.5 years.  

Folks like Nixon, Clinton, and Trump were different.  The first two guys were talented politicians who probably could have been perfectly fine presidents if it wasn't for all the law-breaking.  The third guy was a little more uniquely troublesome.  But all three of them did tangible things you can point to that made it intolerable to have them occupying the White House.  Biden doesn't belong in that category.

Yep. This is well-reasoned and pretty well sums it up. 
 

I also agree with the point that Biden is the best player on the GOP team for 2024. Assuming he keeps doing what he’s doing, the GOP should be able to put up a non-controversial decent choice in 2024 and win relatively easily. 

 

[Mile High]

Agreed...I do feel he is physically/mentally unfit to be President but he should not be impeached...politically, chasing impeachment is just a horrible strategy for the GOP...just awful...right now he is the GOP's best friend as they look better because of his administration...if they take back congress they should act serious and just stick to meat and potato issues like inflation, gas prices, education, the border and crime and stuff that actually matters to the regular folk...with a President that has no ability to connect with the general population, a party that is obsessed with identity politics and tacking further left and has a limited bench for 2024 as well as the growing belief/data that the Hispanic vote is beginning to drift right the GOP has never been a better position to build an electoral advantage for the future...if they waste time on an impeachment circus it will make Biden a sympathetic figure as well as pissing off the general population because that will not show them you are helping them get out of the rut the country is currently in but instead more interested in political payback...it would be a blunder of incredible magnitude...just concentrate on solving problems...keep it simple.

Good post. As a Democrat I hope the Republicans do spend time on impeachment. Remind the voters they don't have answers either on the issues. 

 

[knowledge dropper]

Agreed...I do feel he is physically/mentally unfit to be President but he should not be impeached...politically, chasing impeachment is just a horrible strategy for the GOP...just awful...right now he is the GOP's best friend as they look better because of his administration...if they take back congress they should act serious and just stick to meat and potato issues like inflation, gas prices, education, the border and crime and stuff that actually matters to the regular folk...with a President that has no ability to connect with the general population, a party that is obsessed with identity politics and tacking further left and has a limited bench for 2024 as well as the growing belief/data that the Hispanic vote is beginning to drift right the GOP has never been a better position to build an electoral advantage for the future...if they waste time on an impeachment circus it will make Biden a sympathetic figure as well as pissing off the general population because that will not show them you are helping them get out of the rut the country is currently in but instead more interested in political payback...it would be a blunder of incredible magnitude...just concentrate on solving problems...keep it simple.

Republicans need to continue to be the adults in the room. They can’t be like the Democrat Party and have an impeachment mindset and spend two years looking for “crimes.”   The divisive Biden Administration has this country on the ropes in less than 18 months.  
 

The primary focus needs to be on sustainability issues. I am sure Biden will veto, so wider House and Senate margins and a Republican President in 2024.  Then, we can really start fixing America.  

 

[E Street Brat]

Draining the strategic oil reserve and sending it to Europe while poking the Russian bear. Should be grounds for dismissal. 

 

[Stealthycat]

seems fair ... impeachment was discussed even before Trump went into the White House - Democrats were going to impeach him on anything they could

a precedence has been established I think 

 

[dickey moe]

So will the House of Representatives continue the trend of impeaching a President of the opposing party due to relative unpopularity or the perception that they're a ####ty President? Sounds like pure faction politics and obviously not the intent of the Founders. What a sad state of affairs.

 

[Godsbrother]

Silly.  Impeachment is supposed to be used to remove a president that committed high crime or treason. 

In the case of Trump the second impeachment was certainly met this criteria IMO.  

 

[Amused to Death]

Silly.  Impeachment is supposed to be used to remove a president that committed high crime or treason. 

In the case of Trump the second impeachment was certainly met this criteria IMO.  

And multiple counts of obstruction of justice justified the first.

 

[TripItUp]

seems fair ... impeachment was discussed even before Trump went into the White House - Democrats were going to impeach him on anything they could

a precedence has been established I think 

Yep, you reap what you sow.

 

[Herb]

Silly.  Impeachment is supposed to be used to remove a president that committed high crime or treason. 

In the case of Trump the second impeachment was certainly met this criteria IMO.  

Both of them were completely appropriate.  I have no hope or expectations that the GOP will be "the adults in the room" as one of our posters put it, but I do have hope that their collective hatred of Kamala Harris will stave off the grandstanding impeachment attempts. I will admit that I would sort of like to see what would happen if Republicans made the attempt to impeach on ridiculous grounds, much the same way that it would be cool to witness a giant train wreck.

 

[sho nuff]

Silly.  Impeachment is supposed to be used to remove a president that committed high crime or treason. 

In the case of Trump the second impeachment was certainly met this criteria IMO.  

Both did.

 

[sho nuff]

So will the House of Representatives continue the trend of impeaching a President of the opposing party due to relative unpopularity or the perception that they're a ####ty President? Sounds like pure faction politics and obviously not the intent of the Founders. What a sad state of affairs.

Neither of Trump’s impeachment’s were for the reasons you list here.  

 

[dkp993]

seems fair ... impeachment was discussed even before Trump went into the White House - Democrats were going to impeach him on anything they could

a precedence has been established I think 

Yep, you reap what you sow.

This is such an incredibly flawed logic that it’s hard to wrap my head around. One team made bad decisions so the other team is going to continue to make bad decisions so the other team makes more bad decisions and on and on and on and on.  Everybody Justifies their behavior because of what was done in front of them. Meanwhile we circle down the toilet and drag each other down.  Unreal.  

 

[Stealthycat]

This is such an incredibly flawed logic that it’s hard to wrap my head around. One team made bad decisions so the other team is going to continue to make bad decisions so the other team makes more bad decisions and on and on and on and on.  Everybody Justifies their behavior because of what was done in front of them. Meanwhile we circle down the toilet and drag each other down.  Unreal.  

Trump did nothing impeachable, both times it was ridiculous and doomed impeachment but they did it anyway .... I don't remember you calling them out during it all ???

 

[sho nuff]

Trump did nothing impeachable, both times it was ridiculous and doomed impeachment but they did it anyway .... I don't remember you calling them out during it all ???

Because both were legitimate impeachments and should have had convictions if not for a complicit GOP Senate/Mitch McConnell.  

 

[squistion]

Because both were legitimate impeachments and should have had convictions if not for a complicit GOP Senate/Mitch McConnell.  

Exactly. In the first one Trump tried to extort the President of Ukraine (remember that guy?) into releasing some dirt on Biden or in absence of that, falsely claiming they were investigating Biden, in order to influence the 2020 election - clearly an abuse of power.  

 

[Godsbrother]

Trump did nothing impeachable, both times it was ridiculous and doomed impeachment but they did it anyway .... I don't remember you calling them out during it all ???

I'll never convince you and not trying but my opinion is that Trump tried various ways to overturn the 2020 US presidential election and subsequently attempted to prevent certification that led to the attack of the US Capitol.   

If that isn't an impeachable offense I don't know what is.  10 GOP Republicans agreed and certainly Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy should have based on what they said regarding the President's actions up to and during the events of January 6th.

 

[Summer Wheat]

Yep. All those reasons and x2 on unfit and incompetent.  

I don`t want another impeachment, but that last two are more than enough if there was one. 

 

[dkp993]

Trump did nothing impeachable, both times it was ridiculous and doomed impeachment but they did it anyway .... I don't remember you calling them out during it all ???

That matters none to the point I’m making. Whether I agree or don’t agree with the decisions before has nothing to do with the current decision. You’re basically rewarding bad behavior with more bad behavior. I’m not down with that. 

 

[Stealthycat]

Because both were legitimate impeachments and should have had convictions if not for a complicit GOP Senate/Mitch McConnell.  

in your mind

me? I think Biden should could justifiably be removed using the 25th - he's senile and it could be argued the 650,000 dead people from covid is justification, and of course, the Hunter Biden fiasco we're still not seeing fully yet

if Biden is impeached, he won't be removed ... it'd be a political stunt by GOP just like Democrats pulled is all ... but fair is fair 

 

[Stealthycat]

That matters none to the point I’m making. Whether I agree or don’t agree with the decisions before has nothing to do with the current decision. You’re basically rewarding bad behavior with more bad behavior. I’m not down with that. 

gotcha - Democrats uselessly impeaching a GOP President = ok        Republicans uselessly impeaching a DNC President - bad behaviors 

 

[squistion]

in your mind

me? I think Biden should could justifiably be removed using the 25th - he's senile and it could be argued the 650,000 dead people from covid is justification, and of course, the Hunter Biden fiasco we're still not seeing fully yet

if Biden is impeached, he won't be removed ... it'd be a political stunt by GOP just like Democrats pulled is all ... but fair is fair 

Only because Harris would then become POTUS. 

 

[Joe Mammy]

I'll never convince you and not trying but my opinion is that Trump tried various ways to overturn the 2020 US presidential election and subsequently attempted to prevent certification that led to the attack of the US Capitol.   

If that isn't an impeachable offense I don't know what is.  10 GOP Republicans agreed and certainly Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy should have based on what they said regarding the President's actions up to and during the events of January 6th.

Why bother? The horse has been beaten dead and the blinders stayed on.

 

[moleculo]

I don't understand why "Democrats did something I don't like" is justification for doing the same thing.  If republicans thought that the Trump impeachments were a disgraceful sham, why would they want to the exact same thing?  if democrats jumped off a bridge, would republicans do it too?

 

[moleculo]

seems fair ... impeachment was discussed even before Trump went into the White House - Democrats were going to impeach him on anything they could

a precedence has been established I think 

not by anyone serious.

 

[Stealthycat]

Only because Harris would then become POTUS. 

true

and to be fair - NOBODY on the left wanted Pence ........ its almost like a President now picks a HORRIBLE VP that the other side hates worse .... it is insurance :(

 

[Stealthycat]

not by anyone serious.

so talked about / discussed but by nobody "serious"

sure

 

[dkp993]

gotcha - Democrats uselessly impeaching a GOP President = ok        Republicans uselessly impeaching a DNC President - bad behaviors 

I’m not saying that and you’re merely deflecting at this point. You want, to to your point, reward bad behavior with allowing more bad behavior.  All under the guise of The other team did the bad thing so we should get to do the bad thing to. Tell me how that move this country forward or makes us better?   It doesn’t. It’s scorekeeping for scorekeeping sake. And you know what, you know who the losers are? Us, Because there is no actual scorecard. And the game will never be “equal”.  

 

[roadkill1292]

Policy that Republicans don't like isn't an impeachable offense. This is a classic instance of false equivalence. I expect nothing less from the party with no useful policies who are even worse on normative behavior.

 

[moleculo]

so talked about / discussed but by nobody "serious"

sure

can you find any quote from the Speaker of the House, any congressional committees, or high ranking members of the DNC regarding impeaching Trump before any wrongdoing was shown?  I mean, of course you can find activists, partisan hacks, comedians, and keyboard warriors talking about that but that's not worth discussing.  You could find the same for Obama, Bush, Bush Sr, Reagan, etc.

ETA: to be fair, maybe no one serious is talking about impeaching Biden either, beyond partisan hacky talking heads.

 

[urbanhack]

OP/ED - THIS THREAD SUCKS - (5/18/2022 - 1:22 PST)

 

[Dickies]

I’m not saying that and you’re merely deflecting at this point. You want, to to your point, reward bad behavior with allowing more bad behavior.  All under the guise of The other team did the bad thing so we should get to do the bad thing to. Tell me how that move this country forward or makes us better?   It doesn’t. It’s scorekeeping for scorekeeping sake. And you know what, you know who the losers are? Us, Because there is no actual scorecard. And the game will never be “equal”.  

Except the other side did not do a bad thing.  Both impeachments were more than justified.  You could argue that they were both a waste of time since there was no chance the Republicans would vote country over party, but impeaching Trump was not the "bad behavior" in either case.

The Republicans honestly missed an opportunity with the 2nd impeachment.  Trump was already out of office and they could have washed their hands of him and purged him from their brand.  The fact that they didn't is telling.

As for Biden, if he is senile and unfit for office I would absolutely support the 25th being invoked if that is what those close to him feel is best.  I think Trump's cabinet should have invoked the 25th in the wake of 1/6.

 

[shadrap]

It would be a mistake in the same vain as eliminating the filibuster to pack the court.  In many ways we are standing on the edge of a very slippery slope. I fully expected the Dems to succumb to the pressures and pack the court, was happy to see they didn’t.  I hope the GOP stands up to the pressure of impeachment in the same way.  Biden has been a dreadful no doubt about it, but let the voters have their say in ‘24.  More normalcy is what we need not more partisan insanity.   

yea, I'd like to see that to.

 

[PhillipPhoto]

Except the other side did not do a bad thing.  Both impeachments were more than justified.  You could argue that they were both a waste of time since there was no chance the Republicans would vote country over party, but impeaching Trump was not the "bad behavior" in either case.

The Republicans honestly missed an opportunity with the 2nd impeachment.  Trump was already out of office and they could have washed their hands of him and purged him from their brand.  The fact that they didn't is telling.

As for Biden, if he is senile and unfit for office I would absolutely support the 25th being invoked if that is what those close to him feel is best.  I think Trump's cabinet should have invoked the 25th in the wake of 1/6.

Oooof. What planet is it that you are posting from?

 

[Dickies]

Oooof. What planet is it that you are posting from?

Anything specific you take issue with?