I'd trade him now if I could get back a star QB. I drafted Burrows and beginning to think he isn't going to improve this year.
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RB Devon Achane, MIA (1 Viewer)
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Banger
Footballguy
you might be able to get Richardson + for Achane.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
All depends on your RB depth and the league size/setup I suppose, but I would have a hard time trading him for any QB outside of Mahomes, Hurts, Allen, Tua or Lamar, and at this point I don't think his perceived long term outlook gives you any chance at a trade like that. I believe he will continue to rock, but so far he's only done it in two weeks and while he has looked great it will be difficult to sustain RB1 production on limited touches per week. Burrow plus Achane to someone that likes to buy low? Possibly, but football is a fickle and Burrow will get right, we just don't know if it will be next week or week 14. I know nothing about your league setup, but after the elite 5, guys like Purdy, Love, Dobbs, Mayfield, Wilson and Stroud are playing as startable fantasy quarterbacks. If one of these guys is available I would personally be looking to bench Burrow and either play matchups or pick up one of the current top 14'ish options until he gets right.
All that said, the previous poster suggested Richardson + for Achane. That would be an interesting one. Richardson's fantasy needle is also pointing straight up and he could end up a top 5 option at the position when the season wraps.
massraider
Footballguy
In my leagues, you are not winning the title without a really good QB.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
That goes for most fantasy football leagues, right? But I doubt you need a top 5 option, either.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
Do you have Cousins lumped into the elite five?
I am actually kinda thinking Richardson but hesitate to make that deal. The owner also has Tua and can afford to deal him. I also have Bijan R and D Montgomery at RB. Yeah I'd miss Achane cause he is my flex and one heck of a flex but so far I've posted 39 points at my QB position for four games. Non-ppr. Less than 10 points per game. That sucks.
There are some options on the WW I am putting in for. See if I get lucky, if not maybe I take a chance and make a deal.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
No, my comment is not really based on weeks 1 through 4. Based on consistency and ceiling I would put Mahomes, Jackson, Hurts, Allen and (maybe) Tua up there although he's looked off against two good defenses early on. I kind of regret putting Tua up there with the other 4 but at the same time his ceiling is undeniable with that roster and offense.
Cousins is in a good spot to put up a great fantasy season, but do I trust him to do it while staying consistent enough to get through a winning fantasy playoff season? Maybe, but not enough to package Achane for him when I already have Burrow on my team. Burrow WAS part of the elite 5 for a couple seasons including this one (pre-draft), and I'm sure he'll be right back up there again once he gets his legs back underneath him. There will always be outliers, but based on what I've watched this year there are only like 4 QBs I feel could truly reach elite status at the position within the next three years. Tua, Love, AR and Stroud not necessarily in that order. Both have performed admirably, but it's only been 4 weeks for three of them. Gotta be realistic.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
I look at AR as a potential league winner, his ceiling is as high as any other QB and he should get better as we move forward. He's looking like he might put up a rookie year similar to what RGIII did which was just amazing.
I look at Achane the same way so it's really about league setup, your depth at RB and who's available to bridge the gap between now and when Burrow gets right.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
Cousins averages 4100+/30+ over eight years while missing one game. Currently leading the league in passing TDs and third in passing yards. This guy just gets no respect.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Cousins is who he is at this point. A top 10'ish fantasy football QB that is extremely difficult to win a championship with him in fantasy or real life because for all his 400 yard 3 TD games he's bound to sprinkle in a few stinkers at the most inopportune times that absolutely kill you in both real and fake football. He turns the ball over too much and takes a lot of bad sacks holding the ball too long or not recognizing pressure pre-snap.
QB7 in 2023 through 4 games, QB8 in 2022, QB10 in 2021. He's a consistent producer who can't get over the hump. I've owned him in fantasy many years, and he doesn't get respect for a reason. I don't want to hate on him too much, I like him as a player and a person but I'm not sure he could ever be confused as elite even if he's playing with the best pass catchers of his career.
For my dollar, for fantasy purposes, I feel like he can be lumped in with about 10 other QBs from like 7-16. Certainly wouldn't trade Burrow, Love, Tua, Mahomes, Stroud, AR, Allen, Hurts, Herbert or Lawrence for him tomorrow in the NFL or my fantasy league.
On a side note, I should have included Herbert in the conversation of QBs that could ascend to elite status. He has all the tools and has put up some absolutely bonkers games. Coaching is certainly holding him back at this point even if he's the top QB in fantasy through 4 weeks. Staley is just one of the worst.
Lawrence might even still belong in the same conversation based on potential as well.
Agree. When Josh Allen can put up 50 points in a week...that's tough to beat.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
The stats are hard to argue with…
Who Has The Most Passing Touchdowns Last 8 Seasons | StatMuse
Since 2016, Russell Wilson had the most passing touchdowns, with 228 touchdowns.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
TDs and yards are nice in a vacuum but in those same 8 years Cousins has been sacked the 3rd most times of any QB (Russell Wilson and Matt Ryan), lost the most fumbles of any other QB, and thrown the 2nd most interceptions (Jameis Winston). He's also thrown for the 2nd most yards in those 8 years (Tom Brady).
The stats are hard to argue with…
Who Has The Most Passing Touchdowns Last 8 Seasons | StatMuse
Since 2016, Russell Wilson had the most passing touchdowns, with 228 touchdowns.www.statmuse.com
Stats ARE hard to argue with, but they're easy to cherry pick. Cousins is who he is. A high ceiling, low floor QB who makes some amazing plays but also sprinkles in some of the worst.
Again, I like Cousins, as a player and a person, but it's hard to call someone elite when over the last 8 seasons he's been sacked that many times, lost that many fumbles and thrown that many INTs. As conservative of a personality as there is, he is reckless with the football. The highest of highs, the lowest of the lows. He's a great best ball QB but in any traditional format you're going to struggle to overcome his inconsistency and win a championship with him.
Gruden's Keyboard
Footballguy
This is the Devon Achane thread @Jacob's Ladder
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
I guess I don’t know how the word “elite” is being defined. Is there an actual objective measurement? How are you defining elite?
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Good point, I didn't take the discussion off track, but I won't contribute to the diversion any longer. Good post.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
Once you so aggressively argue with someone's opinion there will be no winner or loser. Just pointless bickering. The previous poster is correct, this is not the thread for it. If you want to continue the discussion on Kirk Cousins being elite or not elite, tag me in that thread.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
I don’t see this as bickering. I’m trying to understand the definition of elite.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
He can do it all.
ETA - Achane is elite
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ETA - Achane is elite
De'Von Achane Week 4 Every Run, Target, and Catch Miami Dolphins at Buffalo Bills NFL 2023
De'Von Achane ran the ball 8 times for 101 yards and 2 TDs. He also caught 3 balls for 19 yards. The Dolphins lost to the Bills 48-20 on 10/1/2023.#Football ...
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MCFootball123
Footballguy
Hadn't seen this - thanks for posting. His speed absolutely pops off the screen, so elite. But, I had no idea how tough this guy runs. For his stature he sure seems to fall forward and pick up extra yardage every time he gets hit. He got popped several times. Potential to the moon.He can do it all.
ETA - Achane is elite
De'Von Achane Week 4 Every Run, Target, and Catch Miami Dolphins at Buffalo Bills NFL 2023
De'Von Achane ran the ball 8 times for 101 yards and 2 TDs. He also caught 3 balls for 19 yards. The Dolphins lost to the Bills 48-20 on 10/1/2023.#Football ...
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
This is my greatest surprise with him. Yes, he's short. No, he doesn't sniff 190 pounds. Even so, he doesn't look small out there and he certainly doesn't run light. His pad level and balance are something to behold. The speed at which he gets around defenders and runs by them is so impressive it's hard to put into words.Hadn't seen this - thanks for posting. His speed absolutely pops off the screen, so elite. But, I had no idea how tough this guy runs. For his stature he sure seems to fall forward and pick up extra yardage every time he gets hit. He got popped several times. Potential to the moon.He can do it all.
ETA - Achane is elite
De'Von Achane Week 4 Every Run, Target, and Catch Miami Dolphins at Buffalo Bills NFL 2023
De'Von Achane ran the ball 8 times for 101 yards and 2 TDs. He also caught 3 balls for 19 yards. The Dolphins lost to the Bills 48-20 on 10/1/2023.#Football ...
I'm not really sure why I'm surprised, it's the same guy that showed out in the SEC against top level college competition, guys that wind up in the NFL. He may be small, but he seems to avoid big hits because of his elusiveness. They're already using him in the red zone and on the goal line. I'm all in on this kid. I've seen enough.
This looks like CJ2K all over again, it really does. The pre-draft, post-draft and early career commentary on both are so eerily similar.
TommyKramer9
Footballguy
I always find these types of stats interesting but not very helpful. How many QBs have played for the last 8 years? He has 216 TDs over that time. Divide that by 8 and you get 27 TD’s per year with maybe 1 or 2 rushing scores. Yes that sounds about right. That’s what Cousins is. 4,000 yards and 27 TDs isn’t what it once was for fantasy purposes. There are so many more running QBs now than there ever was before. To be elite you need to throw for at least 4,200 yards and 35 TDs, otherwise you need to be able to combine Kirk’s average with about 400 rushing yards and a handful of scores on the ground. He ain’t bad but Kirk will never be elite. He’s basically what Philip Rivers always was
The stats are hard to argue with…
Who Has The Most Passing Touchdowns Last 8 Seasons | StatMuse
Since 2016, Russell Wilson had the most passing touchdowns, with 228 touchdowns.
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taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
I went back 8 years, 5 years, 3 years and Cousins is consistently a top 3-5 QB for yards and TDs. I’d think that might meet most people’s definition of elite whatever that might be.
I accept that turnovers are a factor in FF scoring and in eyeing the data, Cousins runs a little higher than average. I didn’t analyze the impact on scoring but I’d guess we are talking fifteen points a season or so. I’ve never seen sacks used in FF QB scoring so I don’t look at them.
TommyKramer9
Footballguy
I'm a huge Vikings fan and I like Kirk Cousins, but I don't think he's elite in real or in fantasy football. In this forum we're talking for fantasy purposes. What he is and always has been when it comes to fantasy scoring for QB's is a low end QB1. He's good and has his moments, but never has he put together an elite fantasy football season. At seasons end he most likely will finish somewhere between QB 8-12
TommyKramer9
Footballguy
Sorry that we've hijacked the Achane thread with Kirk Cousins talk. Let's get it back on track. This kid is dynamite! What can we expect going forward? Let's put the over/under at about 15 touches a game (12-13 carries and 2-3 receptions on average). He doesn't seem to need a workhorse role to be a superstar producer. Heck, he's already shown that after the past two weeks. Can he finish as a top 10 RB with only this many touches? I think he can. I know it's only two weeks, but man he looks good! It's better to get on board early than to miss the boat completely, so I'm going to say he's a must start going forward.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Some of us pointed this out last week when that game's highlights were posted. CJ2K very similar. It's not how big you are, it's how big you play. There are plenty of examples of the other side of this too.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
I will add he is one of the few rbs that isn't necessarily touch dependant. Meaning he doesnt need his 20 touches to be fantasy relevant. Dudes so explosive.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
Where does Achane rank by seasons end?
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
The ceiling is #2 behind McCaffery. But there is a wide range of outcomes, all depending on health and usage.
MCFootball123
Footballguy
He is easily in my top 10 for ROS. I don't think usage is a concern at all. At a minimum this guy is touching the ball 15 times weekly, and in this offense the per touch value is higher than any other offense (similar to Aiyuk). Mostert has always had a few good games. Mostert will be 32 soon, and has been injured more than being healthy. From a health standpoint there is no one else in the top 10 that carries less health risk - really young guys generally stay more healthy than the old guard.
The ceiling is the moon, but I just think his floor is higher than others I've seen comment on. 15 touches is conservative. and that is more than enough for a high floor in this offense.
The ceiling is the moon, but I just think his floor is higher than others I've seen comment on. 15 touches is conservative. and that is more than enough for a high floor in this offense.
zamboni
Footballguy
Man, is he fun to watch. Such a revelation, but obviously McDaniel & Co. saw it by taking him in the 3rd. Just hope he can stay healthy.
Well I probably cursed him by owning him in my league.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Even when I have my doubts his ability jumps off the screen. Legit.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Dynasty RB1.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
That cut back and gone. Early in his career he's that guy that just needs a sliver to break one. Fun to watch. My opinion has come full circle on him.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I underestimated him badly. Oof. Not grabbing him when I had the chance a couple of weeks ago will be one of the reasons I don’t win the league this year. He’s putting up monster points every week.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I had no chance at him in any format, but I, too, underestimated him. I did say I wanted to draft whomever the Dolphins took at RB, but he’s exceeded my expectations.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Damn. 
dealing with a knee issue.
I didn’t even know he got hurt in the game.
@DavidFurones_
Mike McDaniel said it's more of a knee than ankle with De'Von Achane. Dolphins are evaluating it. It's still early in the process.
dealing with a knee issue.I didn’t even know he got hurt in the game.
@DavidFurones_
Mike McDaniel said it's more of a knee than ankle with De'Von Achane. Dolphins are evaluating it. It's still early in the process.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Damn.
I didn’t even know he got hurt in the game.
@DavidFurones_
Mike McDaniel said it's more of a knee than ankle with De'Von Achane. Dolphins are evaluating it. It's still early in the process.
Was just coming to post this. Didn’t play again after he got hurt.
Pietaster2
Footballguy
187lb NFL RB things. Speed backs that small are fun to watch but not built to last.Damn.
I didn’t even know he got hurt in the game.
@DavidFurones_
Mike McDaniel said it's more of a knee than ankle with De'Von Achane. Dolphins are evaluating it. It's still early in the process.
Between Mostert, Wilson and Achane, McDaniel should be able to cobble together one starter from that fragile bunch this season.
zamboni
Footballguy
I don't think the knee had anything to do with his size. Even 220+ lb backs often get their knees bent in awkward positions when tackled.
