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Love to hear why you think all the warning signs were ignored.Just let him go. It is like talking to a wall.Ok so we agree that political correctness is the real problem here. We're making progress.
Love to hear why you think all the warning signs were ignored.Just let him go. It is like talking to a wall.Ok so we agree that political correctness is the real problem here. We're making progress.
so people are born terrorists?How insensitive of me. Thats right, there is no such thing as terrorists.XHa Terrorism and islam IS what made the guy snap. Follow?I'm pretty sure everyone is agreeing that the guy was a piece of ####. Some people would like to know what made this guy snap. Others would like to rant and rave about terrorists and islam.However, if it were an act of terror, would those people be bigots for saying what it was? What his name is or what he looks like doesn't matter to me. The fact that a bunch of people are dead is what bothers me. The fact that warning signs appeared to have been ignored leading to those senseless deaths bothers me. Was he a jihadist? i guess an investigation into the contacts he made will tell.
Curious if the fact that the people who died were on a military base/associated with the military makes this more palatable for some? From what I am reading from both sides, the right is quick to pull the terroist card and the left is quick to pull the bigot card. Who is pulling the "that guy is scumbag" card?
He committed an extremely evil act, and now we can look at the sum of his life and say he is an evil man. Would you have said he was an evil man a year ago?Is it possible it was just evil? Is all evil a mental illness? I think conservatives see a world where there is good and evil. Liberals see a world as either having liberal beliefs or being mentally ill.Anyone who grabs multiple guns and shoots 30+ innocent people in cold blood is mentally sick.
Im sure some are born into it. The others are pushed into it by American policies.so people are born terrorists?
Are you implying that "sick and unbalanced" is false, or that it's comically understated?If the former, I should point out that not all terrorists are always mentally healthy and balanced. Perhaps that's not obvious, and thus needed to be said.He was a freakin terroristHe wasn't sick and unbalanced?Holy #### man, open your eyes. Sick and unbalanced??? Holy ####My opinioon is that his superiors didn’t understand just how mentally sick and unbalanced he was and like bureaucracies of any size, it is much easier to move a problem than deal with it yourself.
So you are saying that every single person that witnessed this guy's craziness was being PC? How many people do you think that is? Should we call Guiness? Maybe, just maybe, it isn't black and white.Love to hear why you think all the warning signs were ignored.Just let him go. It is like talking to a wall.Ok so we agree that political correctness is the real problem here. We're making progress.
There are those who want to be PC... but I think most are fearful of the consequences of not being PC. If you are a career officer in the military then you might be motivated to not seem like you are being discriminatory of someone of the Muslim faith or Middle Eastern decent. Why? Because your career can end and/or be severely ######ed by making a bad step that blows up in your face. I think there is no doubt that at least part of what explains some of the non-action (and action which would include his promotion to Major) was driven by PC and/or fear of PC.ETA: ######ed = slowedSo you are saying that every single person that witnessed this guy's craziness was being PC? How many people do you think that is? Should we call Guiness? Maybe, just maybe, it isn't black and white.
I can agree with this. RBM likes to scream out absolutes with no content and generally shows that he is not interested in discussing any side that isn't in absolute agreement.There are those who want to be PC... but I think most are fearful of the consequences of not being PC. If you are a career officer in the military then you might be motivated to not seem like you are being discriminatory of someone of the Muslim faith or Middle Eastern decent. Why? Because your career can end and/or be severely ######ed by making a bad step that blows up in your face. I think there is no doubt that at least part of what explains some of the non-action (and action which would include his promotion to Major) was driven by PC and/or fear of PC.ETA: ######ed = slowedSo you are saying that every single person that witnessed this guy's craziness was being PC? How many people do you think that is? Should we call Guiness? Maybe, just maybe, it isn't black and white.
Or maybe, as former FBI and CIA operatives have stated on TV, all of the information that is now being compiled was not being seen in total by any one person or agency. Critical information is still not being shared across agencies. The Dept of Homeland Sec was suppose to tackle this issue head on and make changes. Just a thought.There are those who want to be PC... but I think most are fearful of the consequences of not being PC. If you are a career officer in the military then you might be motivated to not seem like you are being discriminatory of someone of the Muslim faith or Middle Eastern decent. Why? Because your career can end and/or be severely ######ed by making a bad step that blows up in your face. I think there is no doubt that at least part of what explains some of the non-action (and action which would include his promotion to Major) was driven by PC and/or fear of PC.ETA: ######ed = slowedSo you are saying that every single person that witnessed this guy's craziness was being PC? How many people do you think that is? Should we call Guiness? Maybe, just maybe, it isn't black and white.
Not every single person, but Im saying that as for some of the decision makers, PC definitely had a huge effect on this guy not being handled the way he shouldve been handled. I have no doubt about that.So you are saying that every single person that witnessed this guy's craziness was being PC? How many people do you think that is? Should we call Guiness? Maybe, just maybe, it isn't black and white.Love to hear why you think all the warning signs were ignored.Just let him go. It is like talking to a wall.Ok so we agree that political correctness is the real problem here. We're making progress.
I sat in some of these meetings. PC is an excuse. It is to much trouble sometime to kick someone out. I can tell you it is a pain in the ### since I have done it. Bottom line it should have been done. Stop making excuses for something you have not a clue about.Not every single person, but Im saying that as for some of the decision makers, PC definitely had a huge effect on this guy not being handled the way he shouldve been handled. I have no doubt about that.
After reading the last page, I found this post even funnier than I found it a week ago.DD showing once again what a class act he is. I love how you think you have the whole thing figured out you know it all windbag. And nobody else should even dare to have an opinion different than yours. Typical
Sure, but it seems that there was enough for multiple agencies or even the military to act. My understanding is the man had a bad review but yet still was given a promotion to Major from Captain. (Which my understanding is that that automatically triggers a new background investigation). Among many, many, many seemingly hard to explain things.Or maybe, as former FBI and CIA operatives have stated on TV, all of the information that is now being compiled was not being seen in total by any one person or agency. Critical information is still not being shared across agencies. The Dept of Homeland Sec was suppose to tackle this issue head on and make changes. Just a thought.There are those who want to be PC... but I think most are fearful of the consequences of not being PC. If you are a career officer in the military then you might be motivated to not seem like you are being discriminatory of someone of the Muslim faith or Middle Eastern decent. Why? Because your career can end and/or be severely ######ed by making a bad step that blows up in your face. I think there is no doubt that at least part of what explains some of the non-action (and action which would include his promotion to Major) was driven by PC and/or fear of PC.ETA: ######ed = slowedSo you are saying that every single person that witnessed this guy's craziness was being PC? How many people do you think that is? Should we call Guiness? Maybe, just maybe, it isn't black and white.
Where did you read that? It's certainly not the case for other military fields but I'd just like to know where you got that info.Also promotion to Major is pretty much automatic. I would guess he was promoted because of the shortage of Majors in the medical field. Happens all the time.Sure, but it seems that there was enough for multiple agencies or even the military to act. My understanding is the man had a bad review but yet still was given a promotion to Major from Captain. (Which my understanding is that that automatically triggers a new background investigation). Among many, many, many seemingly hard to explain things.Or maybe, as former FBI and CIA operatives have stated on TV, all of the information that is now being compiled was not being seen in total by any one person or agency. Critical information is still not being shared across agencies. The Dept of Homeland Sec was suppose to tackle this issue head on and make changes. Just a thought.There are those who want to be PC... but I think most are fearful of the consequences of not being PC. If you are a career officer in the military then you might be motivated to not seem like you are being discriminatory of someone of the Muslim faith or Middle Eastern decent. Why? Because your career can end and/or be severely ######ed by making a bad step that blows up in your face. I think there is no doubt that at least part of what explains some of the non-action (and action which would include his promotion to Major) was driven by PC and/or fear of PC.ETA: ######ed = slowedSo you are saying that every single person that witnessed this guy's craziness was being PC? How many people do you think that is? Should we call Guiness? Maybe, just maybe, it isn't black and white.
If he stops commenting on things he has no clue about he would have nothing to say at all.I sat in some of these meetings. PC is an excuse. It is to much trouble sometime to kick someone out. I can tell you it is a pain in the ### since I have done it. Bottom line it should have been done. Stop making excuses for something you have not a clue about.Not every single person, but Im saying that as for some of the decision makers, PC definitely had a huge effect on this guy not being handled the way he shouldve been handled. I have no doubt about that.
I know right....what a fool you made of yourself. Even bigger than usual.You botched this one bad from day 1After reading the last page, I found this post even funnier than I found it a week ago.DD showing once again what a class act he is. I love how you think you have the whole thing figured out you know it all windbag. And nobody else should even dare to have an opinion different than yours. Typical
Ohhhhhhhhh rimshotIf he stops commenting on things he has no clue about he would have nothing to say at all.I sat in some of these meetings. PC is an excuse. It is to much trouble sometime to kick someone out. I can tell you it is a pain in the ### since I have done it. Bottom line it should have been done. Stop making excuses for something you have not a clue about.Not every single person, but Im saying that as for some of the decision makers, PC definitely had a huge effect on this guy not being handled the way he shouldve been handled. I have no doubt about that.
Coming from the most inept poster in a thread with Arctic Edge and Peens, I guess I should take this as a compliment.I know right....what a fool you made of yourself. Even bigger than usual.You botched this one bad from day 1After reading the last page, I found this post even funnier than I found it a week ago.DD showing once again what a class act he is. I love how you think you have the whole thing figured out you know it all windbag. And nobody else should even dare to have an opinion different than yours. Typical
Hard to keep up with this kind of witComing from the most inept poster in a thread with Arctic Edge and Peens, I guess I should take this as a compliment.I know right....what a fool you made of yourself. Even bigger than usual.You botched this one bad from day 1After reading the last page, I found this post even funnier than I found it a week ago.DD showing once again what a class act he is. I love how you think you have the whole thing figured out you know it all windbag. And nobody else should even dare to have an opinion different than yours. Typical
I stood with a lot of people who didn't vote for him to watch the funeral and they all said he did an honorable job at Fort Hood that day. If you knew anything about service you would have recognized that but the hate in you runs too deep.Hey DD, you voted for this guy:"In a country of 300 million, it's inevitable that some of them are going to snap here and there.."-President ObamaSad.
What hate? IMO he is naive and dangerous for this country, that's true, but I dont hate him. If anybody showed malice in this thread it was you and and your deliberate amd ridiculous accusation, when you fully knew what RBM and Brutis were talking about.Your a sharp guy, I'll give you that, but for every informational/ well done post, you type about three that are super arrogant, condescending and sometimes just mean.I stood with a lot of people who didn't vote for him to watch the funeral and they all said he did an honorable job at Fort Hood that day. If you knew anything about service you would have recognized that but the hate in you runs too deep.Hey DD, you voted for this guy:"In a country of 300 million, it's inevitable that some of them are going to snap here and there.."-President ObamaSad.
DD, I like the cut of this jib.I stood with a lot of people who didn't vote for him to watch the funeral and they all said he did an honorable job at Fort Hood that day. If you knew anything about service you would have recognized that but the hate in you runs too deep.
It's true I've never served, but I would match my support of the military and how I show it with anyone. Also, I've talked to many people that I know in the military over the last few days who agreed that Obama was a disgrace in how he handled this sad event.I stood with a lot of people who didn't vote for him to watch the funeral and they all said he did an honorable job at Fort Hood that day. If you knew anything about service you would have recognized that but the hate in you runs too deep.Hey DD, you voted for this guy:"In a country of 300 million, it's inevitable that some of them are going to snap here and there.."-President ObamaSad.
Good, you shouldn't. I never hated W, I don't even think I dislike W at least as a person.What hate? IMO he is naive and dangerous for this country, that's true, but I dont hate him.
I would rather not continue talking about this, but regardless of what they meant the timing was horrible, disrespectful to the fallen, and unnecessary. If you don't agree with it then fine, I acknowledge your position and point regardless.If anybody showed malice in this thread it was you and and your deliberate amd ridiculous accusation, when you fully knew what RBM and Brutis were talking about.
I can be all of that, I have been a jerk at times and I often can admit when I am. The only thing I'll apologize for in this thread is helping it get off track with personal disagreements which aren't necessary and making it into something about us instead of about what happened.Your a sharp guy, I'll give you that, but for every informational/ well done post, you type about three that are super arrogant, condescending and sometimes just mean.
Ft. Hood Officer Who Really Shot Hasan Talks
5:24 pm
November 12, 2009
By Frank James
As it turns out, Sgt. Kimberly D. Munley, the Ft. Hood Army Base police officer who was credited as a hero for taking down Maj. Nidal Hasan, the accused killer of 13 people, may not have actually shot Hasan.
But she will still be considered courageous in the eyes of many people for chasing the alleged gunman in order to stop the rampage.
Still, if she was incorrectly receiving credit for stopping Hasan, that's important to know. The fact that she wasn't the one to fire the shots that ended the shooting spree doesn't necessarily hurt the argument some have made that her actions argue for women in combat.
As it turns out, another officer who responded to the emergency, Senior Sgt Mark Todd, is being credited by an eyewitness for putting Hasan on his back. The New York Times interviewed Todd on Thursday.
An excerpt from the NYT:
In the interview, Sergeant Todd said he and Sergeant Munley had pulled up to the scene in separate cars at the same time. He said they began running up a small hill toward the building that held the processing center where unarmed soldiers reported for check-ups and vaccinations before deployment. The gunman was already outside, Sergeant Todd recalled.
"That's when the bystanders were pointing in his direction," he said. "And when we popped up, he was standing there, and we shouted our commands -- 'Police, drop your weapons!' -- and he just opened fire on us."
Sergeant Todd said he was slightly in front of Sergeant Munley on the hill. "Once we took fire, she broke right and I broke left," he said.
Sergeant Todd said he did not see Sergeant Munley get shot. He said he started to circle around the building, but then backtracked as panicked bystanders told him of the gunman's movements.
"As it unfolded, I went a different direction and he went a different direction, and we met up in the front of the building," he said.
Sergeant Todd said he then saw Sergeant Munley on the ground, wounded. He shouted again at the gunman to drop his weapon.
"Once I came around the front of the building, I caught his attention again, started shouting commands, and then he opened up a second time," Sergeant Todd said. "And that's when I returned fire, neutralized
him and secured him."
The Army's misidentification of the officer who shot Hasan is just one more "fact" that turned out not to be true, just like the initial report that Hasan was dead and the first reports that there was more than one shooter. It's just another example of how the fog of war is not limited to war.
I know the truth must hurt. You are just going to have to deal with it.Ohhhhhhhhh rimshotIf he stops commenting on things he has no clue about he would have nothing to say at all.I sat in some of these meetings. PC is an excuse. It is to much trouble sometime to kick someone out. I can tell you it is a pain in the ### since I have done it. Bottom line it should have been done. Stop making excuses for something you have not a clue about.Not every single person, but Im saying that as for some of the decision makers, PC definitely had a huge effect on this guy not being handled the way he shouldve been handled. I have no doubt about that.
Secretary Gates is not very happy with some of the things being leaked to the media because it is compromising the investigation, and it was passed along internally as well. I have talked to my friends up there about some of this and needless to say people are taking extra precautions when speaking about this to anyone not intimately involved or trusted. Locally here (we often work where he is hospitalized) we found out that Hasan was paralyzed from the waist down and tried to comprehend how it was for the nurse to "change him out" every few hours. Lots of "oops I'm sorry your own #### just fell on your chest like that" discussions. A little levity in a military environment when things get too serious always helps.‘Shut up,’ Gates tells DoD leakersBy John T. Bennett - Staff writerPosted : Thursday Nov 12, 2009 19:48:43 ESTABOARD THE DEFENSE SECRETARY’S PLANE — In very blunt language, a visibly irritated Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday that he is “appalled by the amount of” information government officials have leaked to the press during the president’s Afghanistan strategy review.Talking with reporters aboard his jet en route to a military vehicle factory in Wisconsin, the secretary said such disclosures of sensitive information on any “options under consideration” does not serve the nation well. Nor are they in the military’s strategic interests, he added.If Gates learns of any Defense Department employees who have leaked information about the war strategy review, he warned, “That would probably be a career ender.”He showed the same irritation over leaks about the Fort Hood, Texas, shootings. All individuals involved in or privy to the ongoing investigation into the killing spree “should just shut up,” Gates told reporters.Leakers need to realize they only have “one piece” of the picture about why 13 soldiers were killed and dozens more were wounded last week.He said it is best to let investigators handling the mass murder probe and collect all possible data before reaching conclusions about the alleged shooter’s intentions, motivations or associations.
I totally agree. I think he would consider rotting in jail worse than the death penalty anyway so I wouldn't want to give him what he wants.One other thing.
Hasan will not face the death penalty, at least it is highly unlikely. The military hasn't executed anyone since 1962 and I don't think Hasan will ever get cooked even if he receives the death sentence.
I have no problem with this. Why execute a guy who wants to be a martyr? Let him rot for the rest of his life in Leavenworth.
Reaching the 10 year mark of your security clearance which can happen around the same time many are promoted to MAJ will trigger a renewal of your clearance, but it has nothing to do with promotion. Doctors are usually promoted faster than that. Across the various fields, somewhere near 90% get promoted to MAJ. I'm not sure about the docs but I'd guess it's slightly higher.Where did you read that? It's certainly not the case for other military fields but I'd just like to know where you got that info.Also promotion to Major is pretty much automatic. I would guess he was promoted because of the shortage of Majors in the medical field. Happens all the time.Sure, but it seems that there was enough for multiple agencies or even the military to act. My understanding is the man had a bad review but yet still was given a promotion to Major from Captain. (Which my understanding is that that automatically triggers a new background investigation). Among many, many, many seemingly hard to explain things.Or maybe, as former FBI and CIA operatives have stated on TV, all of the information that is now being compiled was not being seen in total by any one person or agency. Critical information is still not being shared across agencies. The Dept of Homeland Sec was suppose to tackle this issue head on and make changes. Just a thought.There are those who want to be PC... but I think most are fearful of the consequences of not being PC. If you are a career officer in the military then you might be motivated to not seem like you are being discriminatory of someone of the Muslim faith or Middle Eastern decent. Why? Because your career can end and/or be severely ######ed by making a bad step that blows up in your face. I think there is no doubt that at least part of what explains some of the non-action (and action which would include his promotion to Major) was driven by PC and/or fear of PC.ETA: ######ed = slowedSo you are saying that every single person that witnessed this guy's craziness was being PC? How many people do you think that is? Should we call Guiness? Maybe, just maybe, it isn't black and white.
oh, he'll face it alright. Unlikely to get it, considering we haven't executed Soldiers who have thrown grenades into tents, run down a formation of their peers, etc. But it's certainly on the table and I'm interested to see if he even bothers putting together a plea. This is one of the worst crimes committed recently, worse than any of those. Add in any thoughts the panel has of terrorism being involved and he's more likely than anyone I can remember to get it. But, like you stated, that he wants to be a martyr will play into the analysis as well. Something to keep in mind, senior officers will be making the decision here, they're more likely to sentence him to death than the junior officers that are involved in most trials.One other thing. Hasan will not face the death penalty, at least it is highly unlikely. The military hasn't executed anyone since 1962 and I don't think Hasan will ever get cooked even if he receives the death sentence. I have no problem with this. Why execute a guy who wants to be a martyr? Let him rot for the rest of his life in Leavenworth.
cool, so this is our fault. glad that's settled.Im sure some are born into it. The others are pushed into it by American policies.so people are born terrorists?
No way. I totally love the military more than you do!It's true I've never served, but I would match my support of the military and how I show it with anyone.
Handle "A-Bomb Bigbottom"?No way. I totally love the military more than you do!It's true I've never served, but I would match my support of the military and how I show it with anyone.
Do you think if he is given the death penalty it will actually be carried out? I meant "face" in the sense that it won't likely be carried out, not that it wouldn't be handed down in a court martial. Also can I ask...can his lawyer get this to a civilian court now or after a court martial or because he committed this on base is his only option to be given a court martial? Also in my experience court martials are pretty quick in both proximity to the actual event happening, and in time in actual court time. I remember a murder case in Germany with a lot of variables and it went to a court martial 6 months after the incident, and was done in 4 days. In your experience in the most serious cases, how long until this goes to trial? How long do you think a trail like this would take? Any pre-trial manuevering by the defense here to make this a non-death penalty case? Insanity plea? If so could that plea determine whether they seek the death penalty? TIA for your insight FUBAR.oh, he'll face it alright. Unlikely to get it, considering we haven't executed Soldiers who have thrown grenades into tents, run down a formation of their peers, etc. But it's certainly on the table and I'm interested to see if he even bothers putting together a plea. This is one of the worst crimes committed recently, worse than any of those. Add in any thoughts the panel has of terrorism being involved and he's more likely than anyone I can remember to get it. But, like you stated, that he wants to be a martyr will play into the analysis as well. Something to keep in mind, senior officers will be making the decision here, they're more likely to sentence him to death than the junior officers that are involved in most trials.One other thing. Hasan will not face the death penalty, at least it is highly unlikely. The military hasn't executed anyone since 1962 and I don't think Hasan will ever get cooked even if he receives the death sentence. I have no problem with this. Why execute a guy who wants to be a martyr? Let him rot for the rest of his life in Leavenworth.
I don't think an insanity plea would hold water in any court of law. He may not get put to death, but it should be vigorously pursued. If this does not rise to handing down the death penalty, it is hard to imagine one that would.Do you think if he is given the death penalty it will actually be carried out? I meant "face" in the sense that it won't likely be carried out, not that it wouldn't be handed down in a court martial. Also can I ask...can his lawyer get this to a civilian court now or after a court martial or because he committed this on base is his only option to be given a court martial? Also in my experience court martials are pretty quick in both proximity to the actual event happening, and in time in actual court time. I remember a murder case in Germany with a lot of variables and it went to a court martial 6 months after the incident, and was done in 4 days. In your experience in the most serious cases, how long until this goes to trial? How long do you think a trail like this would take? Any pre-trial manuevering by the defense here to make this a non-death penalty case? Insanity plea? If so could that plea determine whether they seek the death penalty? TIA for your insight FUBAR.
In this case, I think so. As the above article states though, it will take awhile.Do you think if he is given the death penalty it will actually be carried out? I meant "face" in the sense that it won't likely be carried out, not that it wouldn't be handed down in a court martial.
Court-Martial isn't the only option but it's the one that makes sense. ETA: his attorney could file a motion arguing for a change of venue based on numerous factors, bias especially - if they can show the Judge that he can't receive a fair trial at Fort Hood, the Judge might grant it.Also can I ask...can his lawyer get this to a civilian court now or after a court martial or because he committed this on base is his only option to be given a court martial?
Yes, they are pretty quick. Some serious cases take longer than others, in some the evidence is pretty straight forward and the delays are tactical and due to logistics. In others, the evidence isn't clear cut until you have a team analyze it, labs can take awhile. Here, the evidence is pretty straight forward so I won't be surprised if we have a conviction by May.Also in my experience court martials are pretty quick in both proximity to the actual event happening, and in time in actual court time. I remember a murder case in Germany with a lot of variables and it went to a court martial 6 months after the incident, and was done in 4 days. In your experience in the most serious cases, how long until this goes to trial?
Defense wouldn't be doing their job, unless of course he wants the death penalty, if they didn't make the necessary motions. I'd count on a sanity board being convened sometime in the next few months. The board would resolve the insanity plea, assuming it comes back "sane", there's no impact on the sentence. It's just handled differently in the Military. If he pleas and the Government accepts the plea, the only reason would be to remove the death sentence from the table, I assume the Commanding General won't accept that ahead of trial. He could plea "naked" meaning without the benefit of a deal / sentence cap, sometimes happens if the defense wants something the Government would accept or the defense believes the Judge will be even lighter because of the lack of a deal. I'm in that situation right now, there's no way the Government gives the defense what they want, but the conviction is almost automatic so they plea and hope the judge is lenient.How long do you think a trail like this would take? Any pre-trial manuevering by the defense here to make this a non-death penalty case? Insanity plea? If so could that plea determine whether they seek the death penalty?
I would think that even though he was on US gov't property the discussion whether to prosecute under USCOMJ or a civilian court would be made pretty high up the military/civilian chain of command?Doctor Detroit said:Good stuff FUBAR, glad we have an insider who understands this process and to make sense of it for the rest of us.
So not only will the guy probably not get the death penalty, someone is going to have the fantastic job of wiping his ### 3 times a day.Doctor Detroit said:Locally here (we often work where he is hospitalized) we found out that Hasan was paralyzed from the waist down
I vote for letting him rot in his own crap.So not only will the guy probably not get the death penalty, someone is going to have the fantastic job of wiping his ### 3 times a day.Doctor Detroit said:Locally here (we often work where he is hospitalized) we found out that Hasan was paralyzed from the waist down
I rather him rot in some other person's crap. Because you can handle your own crap but somebody else's crap is just gross.I vote for letting him rot in his own crap.So not only will the guy probably not get the death penalty, someone is going to have the fantastic job of wiping his ### 3 times a day.Doctor Detroit said:Locally here (we often work where he is hospitalized) we found out that Hasan was paralyzed from the waist down
Marine reservist attacked Greek priest he mistook for terrorist
By Alexandra Zayas and Demorris A. Lee
November 11, 2009
A Marine reservist armed with a tire iron beat and chased a man he thought was an Arab terrorist and even called 911 to say he was detaining the man, police said.
But the man he assaulted was actually a Greek Orthodox priest visiting from overseas who spoke limited English, police said.
That’s why police arrested reservist Jasen D. Bruce on a charge of aggravated battery with a deadly weapon.
Police said they’re also investigating whether Bruce, 28, committed a hate crime.
The incident took place around 6:35 p.m. Monday, police said. The priest, Alexios Marakis, 29, is from Crete, Greece. He is visiting St. Nicholas Greek Cathedral at 17 E Tarpon Ave. but police said he was in the Westshore area to bless another retired Greek priest.
But Marakis apparently got lost and exited northbound Interstate 275 into downtown Tampa, police said.
The priest followed several cars into the Seaport Channelside Apartments on Twiggs Street. He got out of his car and asked Bruce for help.
Instead of offering help, Bruce struck the priest on the head with a tire iron, police said.
He then chased the priest for three blocks to the Madison Avenue and Meridian Avenue, police said, and even called 911 to say that an Arabic man tried to rob him.
Bruce said he was going to take the Arab into custody. When police arrived, Bruce told them the victim was a terrorist.
The priest was taken to Tampa General Hospital. There, a translator helped Marakis speak to police.