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The end of Journalism (1 Viewer)

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The End of Journalism

Sometime in 2008, journalism as we knew it died, and advocacy media took its place.

By Victor Davis Hanson

There have always been media biases and prejudices. Everyone knew that Walter Cronkite, from his gilded throne at CBS news, helped to alter the course of the Vietnam War, when, in the post-Tet depression, he prematurely declared the war unwinnible. Dan Rather’s career imploded when he knowingly promulgated a forged document that impugned the service record of George W. Bush. We’ve known for a long time — from various polling, and records of political donations of journalists themselves, as well as surveys of public perceptions — that the vast majority of journalists identify themselves as Democratic, and liberal in particular.

Yet we have never quite seen anything like the current media infatuation with Barack Obama, and its collective desire not to raise key issues of concern to the American people. Here were four areas of national interest that were largely ignored.

CAMPAIGN FINANCING

For years an axiom of the liberal establishment was the need for public campaign financing — and the corrosive role of private money in poisoning the election process. The most prominent Republican who crossed party lines to ensure the passage of national public campaign financing was John McCain — a maverick stance that cost him dearly among conservatives who resented bitterly federal interference in political expression.

In contrast, Barack Obama, remember, promised that he would accept both public funding and the limitations that went along with it, and would “aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.” Then in June 2008, Obama abruptly reneged, bowing out entirely from government financing, the first presidential nominee in the general election to do that since the system was created in 1976.

Obama has now raised over $600 million, by far the largest campaign chest in American political history. In many states he enjoys a four-to-one advantage in campaign funding — most telling in his scheduled eleventh-hour, 30-minute specials that will not be answered by the publicly financed and poorer McCain campaign.

The story that the media chose to ignore was not merely the Obama about-face on public financing, or even the enormous amounts of money that he has raised — some of it under dubious circumstances involving foreign donors, prepaid credit cards, and false names. Instead, they were absolutely quiet about a historic end to liberal support for public financing.

For all practical purposes, public financing of the presidential general election is now dead. No Republican will ever agree to it again. No Democrat can ever again dare to defend a system destroyed by Obama. All future worries about the dangers of big money and big politics will fall on deaf ears.

Surely, there will come a time when the Democratic Party, whether for ethical or practical reasons, will sorely regret dismantling the very safeguards that for over three decades it had insisted were critical for the survival of the republic.

Imagine the reaction of the New York Times or the Washington Post had John McCain renounced his promise to participate in public campaign financing, proceeded instead to amass $600 million and outraise the publicly financed Barack Obama four-to-one, and begun airing special 30-minute unanswered infomercials during the last week of the campaign.

THE VP CANDIDATES

We know now almost all the details of Sarah Palin’s pregnancies, whether the trooper who tasered her nephew went to stun or half stun, the cost of her clothes, and her personal expenses — indeed, almost everything except how a mother of so many children gets elected councilwoman, mayor, and governor, routs an entrenched old-boy cadre, while maintaining near record levels of public support.

Yet the American public knows almost nothing of what it should about the extraordinary career of Joe Biden, the 36-year veteran of the Senate. In unprecedented fashion, Biden has simply avoided the press for most of the last two months, confident that the media instead would deconstruct almost every word of “good looking” Sarah Palin’s numerous interviews with mostly hostile interrogators.

By accepted standards of behavior, Biden has sadly proven wanting. He has committed almost every classical sin of character — plagiarism, false biography, racial insensitivity, and serial fabrication. And because of media silence, we don’t know whether he was kidding when he said America would not need to burn coal, or that Hezbollah was out of Lebanon, or that FDR addressed the nation on television as president in 1929 (surely a record for historical fictions in a single thought), or that the public would turn sour on Obama once he was challenged by our enemies abroad. In response, the media reported that the very public Sarah Palin was avoiding the press while the very private Joe Biden shunned interviews and was chained to the teleprompter.

For two months now, the media reaction to Biden’s inanity has been simply “that’s just ol’ Joe, now let’s turn to Palin,” who, in the space of two months, has been reduced from a popular successful governor to a backwoods creationist, who will ban books and champion white secessionist causes. The respective coverage of the two candidates is ironic in a variety of ways, but in one especially — almost every charge against Palin (that she is under wraps, untruthful, and inept) was applicable only to Biden.

So we are about to elect a vice president about whom we know only that he has been around a long time, but little else — and nothing at all why exactly Joe Biden says the most astounding and often lunatic things.

Imagine the reaction of Newsweek or Time had moose-hunting mom Sarah Palin claimed FDR went on television to address the nation as President in 1929, or warned America that our enemies abroad would test John McCain and that his response would result in a radical loss of his popularity at home.

THE PAST AS PRESENT

In 2004, few Americans knew Barack Obama. In 2008, they may elect him. Surely his past was of more interest than his present serial denials of it. Whatever the media’s feelings about the current Barack Obama, there should have been some story that the Obama of 2008 is radically different from the Obama who was largely consistent and predictable for the prior 30 years.

Each Obama metamorphosis in itself might be attributed to the normal evolution to the middle, as a candidate shifts from the primary to the general election. But in the case of Obama, we witnessed not a shift, but a complete transformation to an entirely new persona — in almost every imaginable sense of the word. Name an issue — FISA, NAFTA, guns, abortion, capital punishment, coal, nuclear power, drilling, Iran, Jerusalem, the surge — and Obama’s position today is not that of just a year ago.

Until 2005, Obama was in communication with Bill Ayers by e-mail and phone, despite Ayers reprehensible braggadocio in 2001 that he remained an unrepentant terrorist. Rev. Wright was an invaluable spiritual advisor — until spring of 2008. Father Pfleger was praised as an intimate friend in 2004 — and vanished off the radar in 2008. The media might have asked not just why these rather dubious figures were once so close to, and then so distant from, Obama; but why were there so many people like Rashid Khalidi and Tony Rezko in Obama’s past in the first place?

Behind the Olympian calm of Obama, there was always a rather disturbing record of extra-electoral politics completely ignored by the media. If one were disturbed by the present shenanigans of ACORN or the bizarre national call for Americans simply to skip work on election day to help elect Obama (who would pay for that?), one would only have to remember that in 1996 Obama took the extraordinary step of suing to eliminate all his primary rivals by challenging their petition signatures of mostly African-American voters.

In 2004, there was an even more remarkable chain of events in which the sealed divorce records of both his principle primary rival Blair Hull and general election foe, Jack Ryan, were mysteriously leaked, effectively ensuring Obama a Senate seat without serious opposition. These were not artifacts of a typical political career, but extraordinary events in themselves that might well have shed light on present campaign tactics — and yet largely remain unknown to the American people.

Imagine the reaction of CNN or NBC had John McCain’s pastor and spiritual advisor of 20 years been revealed as a white supremacist who damned a multiracial United States, or had he been a close acquaintance until 2005 of an unrepentant terrorist bomber of abortion clinics, or had McCain himself sued to eliminate congressional opponents by challenging the validity of African-American voters who signed petitions, or had both his primary and general election senatorial rivals imploded once their sealed divorce records were mysteriously leaked.

SOCIALISM?

The eleventh-hour McCain allegations of Obama’s advocacy for a share-the-wealth socialism were generally ignored by the media, or if covered, written off as neo-McCarthyism. But there were two legitimate, but again neglected, issues.

The first was the nature of the Obama tax plan. The problem was not merely upping the income tax rates on those who made $250,000 (or was it $200,000, or was it $150,000, or both, or none?), but its aggregate effect in combination with lifting the FICA ceilings on high incomes on top of existing Medicare contributions and often high state income taxes.

In other words, Americans who live in high-tax, expensive states like a New York or California could in theory face collective confiscatory tax rates of 65 percent or so on much of their income. And, depending on the nature of Obama’s proposed tax exemptions, on the other end of the spectrum we might well see almost half the nation’s wage earners pay no federal income tax at all.

Questions arise, but were again not explored: How wise is it to exempt one out of every two income earners from any worry over how the nation gathers its federal income tax revenue? And when credits are added to the plan, are we now essentially not cutting or raising taxes, but simply diverting wealth from those who pay into the system to those who do not?

A practical effect of socialism is often defined as curbing productive incentives by ensuring the poorer need not endanger their exemptions and credits by seeking greater income; and discouraging the wealthy from seeking greater income, given that nearly two-thirds of additional wealth would be lost to taxes. Surely that discussion might have been of interest to the American people.

Second, the real story was not John McCain’s characterization of such plans, but both inadvertent, and serial descriptions of them, past and present, by Barack Obama himself. “Spreading the wealth around” gains currency when collated to past interviews in which Obama talked at length about, and in regret at, judicial impracticalities in accomplishing his own desire to redistribute income. “Tragedy” is frequent in the Obama vocabulary, but largely confined to two contexts: the tragic history of the United States (e.g., deemed analogous to that of Nazi Germany during World War II), and the tragic unwillingness or inability to use judicial means to correct economic inequality in non-democratic fashion.

In this regard, remember Obama’s revealing comment that he was interested only in “fairness” in increasing capital-gains taxes, despite the bothersome fact that past moderate reductions in rates had, in fact, brought in greater revenue to government. Again, fossilized ideology trumps empiricism.

Imagine the reaction of NPR and PBS had John McCain advocated something like abolishing all capital gains taxes, or repealing incomes taxes in favor of a national retail sales tax.

The media has succeeded in shielding Barack Obama from journalistic scrutiny. It thereby irrevocably destroyed its own reputation and forfeited the trust that generations of others had so carefully acquired. And it will never again be trusted to offer candid and nonpartisan coverage of presidential candidates.

Worse still, the suicide of both print and electronic journalism has ensured that, should Barack Obama be elected president, the public will only then learn what they should have known far earlier about their commander-in-chief — but in circumstances and from sources they may well regret.

— NRO contributor Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution.

 
Oh boy.

Politics really brings out the ridiculous.

First, journalists are infringing upon Palins first amendment rights, and now journalism is itself dead. Keep the hits coming, guys. Only a few more days until the election is over and the people have spoken.

 
I doubt journalism survived the runup to the Iraqui war.

Anything they are doing now is better than what they were doing then.

 
Oh boy.Politics really brings out the ridiculous.First, journalists are infringing upon Palins first amendment rights, and now journalism is itself dead. Keep the hits coming, guys. Only a few more days until the election is over and the people have spoken.
You really have your head in the sand if you cant see this. The media is absolute junk right now. Pathetic :thumbdown:
 
I've been really shocked as to how bad they've been in this cycle.

The old guard news media (CBS, NBC, ABC, Newspapers) ignore any negative story about Obama. They don't even pursue it.

GB the internet, which allows other voices to be heard. Stories like that fake George Bush National Guard thing that Dan Rather tried to foist upon the American Public are now going to be challenged.

There is an amazing amount of evidence that the Obama campaign knowingly encouraged campaign fraud by disabling their "match check" in their credit card software, yet the media won't pursue it at all. PEOPLE SHOULD BE GOING TO JAIL OVER THIS, yet they just ignore it.

I can't buy a $1 bookmark at amazon.com if I type in the incorrect address that is associated to my credit card, yet I can donate $100 to the Obama campaign (several times a day in fact) if I type in the wrong name and address. Pitiful.

 
Oh boy.Politics really brings out the ridiculous.First, journalists are infringing upon Palins first amendment rights, and now journalism is itself dead. Keep the hits coming, guys. Only a few more days until the election is over and the people have spoken.
Problem is that most of the people get all their information from the biased media.The media has been biased for a long, long time. And there are certain companies biased in certain directions more than others, but overall, everybody wants to convey a message.The truth about the article is that there is a significant bias in the media.The failure though, is that true, objective journalism has been dead a long, long time. And to use current events to say now is the time it finally died it ludicrous.In fact, it itself, is biased.
 
Oh boy.Politics really brings out the ridiculous.First, journalists are infringing upon Palins first amendment rights, and now journalism is itself dead. Keep the hits coming, guys. Only a few more days until the election is over and the people have spoken.
Problem is that most of the people get all their information from the biased media.The media has been biased for a long, long time. And there are certain companies biased in certain directions more than others, but overall, everybody wants to convey a message.The truth about the article is that there is a significant bias in the media.The failure though, is that true, objective journalism has been dead a long, long time. And to use current events to say now is the time it finally died it ludicrous.In fact, it itself, is biased.
Objective journalism never existed. At least not in the US. Media bias goes back to the founding fathers (and their relatives).
 
Admittedly, I didn't even bother reading the OP. I stopped counting on journalism back in 2000 when the media gave "W" a free pass to the Presidency. It's ridiculous to suggest that the media suddenly rolled over for Obama in 2008, when they already abdicated responsibility 8 years ago.

 
Oh boy.Politics really brings out the ridiculous.First, journalists are infringing upon Palins first amendment rights, and now journalism is itself dead. Keep the hits coming, guys. Only a few more days until the election is over and the people have spoken.
Problem is that most of the people get all their information from the biased media.The media has been biased for a long, long time. And there are certain companies biased in certain directions more than others, but overall, everybody wants to convey a message.The truth about the article is that there is a significant bias in the media.The failure though, is that true, objective journalism has been dead a long, long time. And to use current events to say now is the time it finally died it ludicrous.In fact, it itself, is biased.
This whole idea that the media is one entity is silly. Are individual news outlets biased, perhaps, not terribly biased except for Fox News, but perhaps. But from the variety of media sources we have, from TV to internet to blogs...things get covered. You guys wouldn't know about real issues if they weren't covered in some media form or another.The problem that the OP and many others are posting is that the issues that are most important to THEM aren't getting huge amounts of press. Now, mostly this is spouted out regarding political issues, where there are pretty polar sides to the issues. If one person on one side doesn't think particular issues of importance to him/her are getting enough attention, they'll cry foul. Is there a foul, really, or is the stuff just not newsworthy? It's hard to tell.But it's ridiculous to say that journalism is dead. The only thing that is alive and well is partisanship, and that seriously affects the way in which people see the media...and most people don't complain about the media when it doesn't have to do with politics.
 
Oh boy.Politics really brings out the ridiculous.First, journalists are infringing upon Palins first amendment rights, and now journalism is itself dead. Keep the hits coming, guys. Only a few more days until the election is over and the people have spoken.
Problem is that most of the people get all their information from the biased media.The media has been biased for a long, long time. And there are certain companies biased in certain directions more than others, but overall, everybody wants to convey a message.The truth about the article is that there is a significant bias in the media.The failure though, is that true, objective journalism has been dead a long, long time. And to use current events to say now is the time it finally died it ludicrous.In fact, it itself, is biased.
Objective journalism never existed. At least not in the US. Media bias goes back to the founding fathers (and their relatives).
It was never THIS bad though.
 
There's no question about it. The media got Obama elected. :thumbup:
The media doesn't vote. American Citizens do. They are the ones who vote for the candidates, not the media.Remember, GWB won the past two elections with much of the same media in place.
 
Oh boy.Politics really brings out the ridiculous.First, journalists are infringing upon Palins first amendment rights, and now journalism is itself dead. Keep the hits coming, guys. Only a few more days until the election is over and the people have spoken.
Problem is that most of the people get all their information from the biased media.The media has been biased for a long, long time. And there are certain companies biased in certain directions more than others, but overall, everybody wants to convey a message.The truth about the article is that there is a significant bias in the media.The failure though, is that true, objective journalism has been dead a long, long time. And to use current events to say now is the time it finally died it ludicrous.In fact, it itself, is biased.
Are individual news outlets biased, perhaps, not terribly biased except for Fox News, but perhaps.
Of course :thumbup:
 
Oh boy.Politics really brings out the ridiculous.First, journalists are infringing upon Palins first amendment rights, and now journalism is itself dead. Keep the hits coming, guys. Only a few more days until the election is over and the people have spoken.
Problem is that most of the people get all their information from the biased media.The media has been biased for a long, long time. And there are certain companies biased in certain directions more than others, but overall, everybody wants to convey a message.The truth about the article is that there is a significant bias in the media.The failure though, is that true, objective journalism has been dead a long, long time. And to use current events to say now is the time it finally died it ludicrous.In fact, it itself, is biased.
Are individual news outlets biased, perhaps, not terribly biased except for Fox News, but perhaps.
Of course :thumbup:
Did you expect any different? :lmao:
 
Oh boy.Politics really brings out the ridiculous.First, journalists are infringing upon Palins first amendment rights, and now journalism is itself dead. Keep the hits coming, guys. Only a few more days until the election is over and the people have spoken.
Problem is that most of the people get all their information from the biased media.The media has been biased for a long, long time. And there are certain companies biased in certain directions more than others, but overall, everybody wants to convey a message.The truth about the article is that there is a significant bias in the media.The failure though, is that true, objective journalism has been dead a long, long time. And to use current events to say now is the time it finally died it ludicrous.In fact, it itself, is biased.
Objective journalism never existed. At least not in the US. Media bias goes back to the founding fathers (and their relatives).
It was never THIS bad though.
Stat, you're so far to the right, that the media not covering 90% of what you believe makes them biased.Imagine someone like the unibomber, or some other really extreme person who loves conspiracy theories or other half-baked concepts listening to the news, and getting all riled up that this story isn't being covered, or that these liars are getting off when it's obvious what they did, or when these companies aren't being taken to court because it's well known that (insert conspiracy theory).The more extreme and off-center your views are, the less likely they are to be covered by the mainstream media. They're more centrist in their views and what they cover. Not every story you deem to be vitally important will be deemed to be vitally important by the mainstream media. Why is that? Is it a function of them being left of center...perhaps to a degree...is it also a function of you being VERY right of center? Yes, most certainly.The displacement between where the media is and where you think it should be is not totally due to the media's bias...it's also due to yours, and the further from center you go, the further away the media is from your views. Like I said, just think of how a conspiracy theorist must view the news. Must view all sources of news, not just mainstream media, but also internet websites, and many blogs, as being so ridiculously away from the truth that they're not worth listening to. is that the media's fault, or is it that the person holds and extreme opinion?
 
Oh boy.Politics really brings out the ridiculous.First, journalists are infringing upon Palins first amendment rights, and now journalism is itself dead. Keep the hits coming, guys. Only a few more days until the election is over and the people have spoken.
Problem is that most of the people get all their information from the biased media.The media has been biased for a long, long time. And there are certain companies biased in certain directions more than others, but overall, everybody wants to convey a message.The truth about the article is that there is a significant bias in the media.The failure though, is that true, objective journalism has been dead a long, long time. And to use current events to say now is the time it finally died it ludicrous.In fact, it itself, is biased.
Are individual news outlets biased, perhaps, not terribly biased except for Fox News, but perhaps.
Of course :thumbup:
Did you expect any different? :lmao:
:ptts: :lmao: :ptts: :lmao: :ptts:We have at least 4 more years of this from the OP, Peens, and Stats. Good times. :lmao:
 
Oh boy.Politics really brings out the ridiculous.First, journalists are infringing upon Palins first amendment rights, and now journalism is itself dead. Keep the hits coming, guys. Only a few more days until the election is over and the people have spoken.
How did you view journalistic integritywhen they lied down like sheep when Bush waspushing for this horse#### WMD War in Iraq ?.
 
Oh boy.Politics really brings out the ridiculous.First, journalists are infringing upon Palins first amendment rights, and now journalism is itself dead. Keep the hits coming, guys. Only a few more days until the election is over and the people have spoken.
Problem is that most of the people get all their information from the biased media.The media has been biased for a long, long time. And there are certain companies biased in certain directions more than others, but overall, everybody wants to convey a message.The truth about the article is that there is a significant bias in the media.The failure though, is that true, objective journalism has been dead a long, long time. And to use current events to say now is the time it finally died it ludicrous.In fact, it itself, is biased.
Are individual news outlets biased, perhaps, not terribly biased except for Fox News, but perhaps.
Of course :thumbup:
Did you expect any different? :lmao:
:ptts: :lmao: :ptts: :lmao: :lmao:We have at least 4 more years of this from the OP, Peens, and Stats. Good times. :ptts:
Its gonna be sooooooooo exciting!! :lmao:
 
Oh boy.Politics really brings out the ridiculous.First, journalists are infringing upon Palins first amendment rights, and now journalism is itself dead. Keep the hits coming, guys. Only a few more days until the election is over and the people have spoken.
How did you view journalistic integritywhen they lied down like sheep when Bush waspushing for this horse#### WMD War in Iraq ?.
Does a mistake make journalism dead?Does laying down for a republican president show their liberal bias?Why would they purposefully help out the conservative president, and then help a liberal obama get into office if they were just straight liberal? These talking points don't make a whole lot of sense when a story that lasts longer than a few months is woven with the real events.
 
Oh boy.Politics really brings out the ridiculous.First, journalists are infringing upon Palins first amendment rights, and now journalism is itself dead. Keep the hits coming, guys. Only a few more days until the election is over and the people have spoken.
Problem is that most of the people get all their information from the biased media.The media has been biased for a long, long time. And there are certain companies biased in certain directions more than others, but overall, everybody wants to convey a message.The truth about the article is that there is a significant bias in the media.The failure though, is that true, objective journalism has been dead a long, long time. And to use current events to say now is the time it finally died it ludicrous.In fact, it itself, is biased.
Objective journalism never existed. At least not in the US. Media bias goes back to the founding fathers (and their relatives).
It was never THIS bad though.
It was only a matter of time. As long as media is funded by advertising, then media has more reason to say what people want to hear rather than what people need to hear. People will listen to what they want to hear, and advertisers want to connect with them.
 
Oh boy.Politics really brings out the ridiculous.First, journalists are infringing upon Palins first amendment rights, and now journalism is itself dead. Keep the hits coming, guys. Only a few more days until the election is over and the people have spoken.
Problem is that most of the people get all their information from the biased media.The media has been biased for a long, long time. And there are certain companies biased in certain directions more than others, but overall, everybody wants to convey a message.The truth about the article is that there is a significant bias in the media.The failure though, is that true, objective journalism has been dead a long, long time. And to use current events to say now is the time it finally died it ludicrous.In fact, it itself, is biased.
Are individual news outlets biased, perhaps, not terribly biased except for Fox News, but perhaps.
Of course :yes:
Did you expect any different? :lmao:
:ptts: :lmao: :ptts: :lmao: :ptts:We have at least 4 more years of this from the OP, Peens, and Stats. Good times. :banned:
Obama plays a great Lex Luthor to my Superman. :thumbup:
 
I've been really shocked as to how bad they've been in this cycle.The old guard news media (CBS, NBC, ABC, Newspapers) ignore any negative story about Obama. They don't even pursue it.GB the internet, which allows other voices to be heard. Stories like that fake George Bush National Guard thing that Dan Rather tried to foist upon the American Public are now going to be challenged.There is an amazing amount of evidence that the Obama campaign knowingly encouraged campaign fraud by disabling their "match check" in their credit card software, yet the media won't pursue it at all. PEOPLE SHOULD BE GOING TO JAIL OVER THIS, yet they just ignore it.I can't buy a $1 bookmark at amazon.com if I type in the incorrect address that is associated to my credit card, yet I can donate $100 to the Obama campaign (several times a day in fact) if I type in the wrong name and address. Pitiful.
I don't get what you're driving at. If someone is using a stolen credit card to make a campaign donation to Obama then that will get reversed and Obama's campaign would have to pay a chargeback fee. If the campaign wants to allow those charges and are willing to take the risk in order to make sure they don't miss getting any donations then that's their choice. The reason Amazon (or any other retailer) asks for an exact match is that they are providing the product and don't want to get defrauded.Please explain what I'm missing here.
 
I've been really shocked as to how bad they've been in this cycle.

The old guard news media (CBS, NBC, ABC, Newspapers) ignore any negative story about Obama. They don't even pursue it.

GB the internet, which allows other voices to be heard. Stories like that fake George Bush National Guard thing that Dan Rather tried to foist upon the American Public are now going to be challenged.

There is an amazing amount of evidence that the Obama campaign knowingly encouraged campaign fraud by disabling their "match check" in their credit card software, yet the media won't pursue it at all. PEOPLE SHOULD BE GOING TO JAIL OVER THIS, yet they just ignore it.

I can't buy a $1 bookmark at amazon.com if I type in the incorrect address that is associated to my credit card, yet I can donate $100 to the Obama campaign (several times a day in fact) if I type in the wrong name and address. Pitiful.
I don't get what you're driving at. If someone is using a stolen credit card to make a campaign donation to Obama then that will get reversed and Obama's campaign would have to pay a chargeback fee. If the campaign wants to allow those charges and are willing to take the risk in order to make sure they don't miss getting any donations then that's their choice. The reason Amazon (or any other retailer) asks for an exact match is that they are providing the product and don't want to get defrauded.



Please explain what I'm missing here.
A lack of concern for the truth.
 
I've been really shocked as to how bad they've been in this cycle.

The old guard news media (CBS, NBC, ABC, Newspapers) ignore any negative story about Obama. They don't even pursue it.

GB the internet, which allows other voices to be heard. Stories like that fake George Bush National Guard thing that Dan Rather tried to foist upon the American Public are now going to be challenged.

There is an amazing amount of evidence that the Obama campaign knowingly encouraged campaign fraud by disabling their "match check" in their credit card software, yet the media won't pursue it at all. PEOPLE SHOULD BE GOING TO JAIL OVER THIS, yet they just ignore it.

I can't buy a $1 bookmark at amazon.com if I type in the incorrect address that is associated to my credit card, yet I can donate $100 to the Obama campaign (several times a day in fact) if I type in the wrong name and address. Pitiful.
I don't get what you're driving at. If someone is using a stolen credit card to make a campaign donation to Obama then that will get reversed and Obama's campaign would have to pay a chargeback fee. If the campaign wants to allow those charges and are willing to take the risk in order to make sure they don't miss getting any donations then that's their choice. The reason Amazon (or any other retailer) asks for an exact match is that they are providing the product and don't want to get defrauded.



Please explain what I'm missing here.
A lack of concern for the truth.
Now you're finally seeing what cstu is all about.
 
SOCIALISM?Questions arise, but were again not explored: How wise is it to exempt one out of every two income earners from any worry over how the nation gathers its federal income tax revenue?
How wise was it for every Republican President to approve tax rates that did almost the same thing?How wise was it for Reagan to have a top tax rate of 50% (more than 10% higher than what Obama is proposing)?
 
Oh boy.Politics really brings out the ridiculous.First, journalists are infringing upon Palins first amendment rights, and now journalism is itself dead. Keep the hits coming, guys. Only a few more days until the election is over and the people have spoken.
Problem is that most of the people get all their information from the biased media.The media has been biased for a long, long time. And there are certain companies biased in certain directions more than others, but overall, everybody wants to convey a message.The truth about the article is that there is a significant bias in the media.The failure though, is that true, objective journalism has been dead a long, long time. And to use current events to say now is the time it finally died it ludicrous.In fact, it itself, is biased.
This whole idea that the media is one entity is silly. Are individual news outlets biased, perhaps, not terribly biased except for Fox News, but perhaps. But from the variety of media sources we have, from TV to internet to blogs...things get covered. You guys wouldn't know about real issues if they weren't covered in some media form or another.The problem that the OP and many others are posting is that the issues that are most important to THEM aren't getting huge amounts of press. Now, mostly this is spouted out regarding political issues, where there are pretty polar sides to the issues. If one person on one side doesn't think particular issues of importance to him/her are getting enough attention, they'll cry foul. Is there a foul, really, or is the stuff just not newsworthy? It's hard to tell.But it's ridiculous to say that journalism is dead. The only thing that is alive and well is partisanship, and that seriously affects the way in which people see the media...and most people don't complain about the media when it doesn't have to do with politics.
You've got some SERIOUS blinders on brother.
 
“We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years.But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.” --David Rockefeller
Pretty sure this was actually said. The media's failed us for quite a while now.
 
Death Bytes said:
Statorama said:
bentley said:
Black Label Society said:
adonis said:
Oh boy.Politics really brings out the ridiculous.First, journalists are infringing upon Palins first amendment rights, and now journalism is itself dead. Keep the hits coming, guys. Only a few more days until the election is over and the people have spoken.
Problem is that most of the people get all their information from the biased media.The media has been biased for a long, long time. And there are certain companies biased in certain directions more than others, but overall, everybody wants to convey a message.The truth about the article is that there is a significant bias in the media.The failure though, is that true, objective journalism has been dead a long, long time. And to use current events to say now is the time it finally died it ludicrous.In fact, it itself, is biased.
Objective journalism never existed. At least not in the US. Media bias goes back to the founding fathers (and their relatives).
It was never THIS bad though.
It was only a matter of time. As long as media is funded by advertising, then media has more reason to say what people want to hear rather than what people need to hear. People will listen to what they want to hear, and advertisers want to connect with them.
Would you prefer that the governemnt fund the media instead? All media sources are biased. every one. Even the Wall Street Journal, though it is less biased than most. People need to educate themselves to see through the spin and find the facts within the story.
 
Death Bytes said:
Statorama said:
bentley said:
Black Label Society said:
adonis said:
Oh boy.Politics really brings out the ridiculous.First, journalists are infringing upon Palins first amendment rights, and now journalism is itself dead. Keep the hits coming, guys. Only a few more days until the election is over and the people have spoken.
Problem is that most of the people get all their information from the biased media.The media has been biased for a long, long time. And there are certain companies biased in certain directions more than others, but overall, everybody wants to convey a message.The truth about the article is that there is a significant bias in the media.The failure though, is that true, objective journalism has been dead a long, long time. And to use current events to say now is the time it finally died it ludicrous.In fact, it itself, is biased.
Objective journalism never existed. At least not in the US. Media bias goes back to the founding fathers (and their relatives).
It was never THIS bad though.
It was only a matter of time. As long as media is funded by advertising, then media has more reason to say what people want to hear rather than what people need to hear. People will listen to what they want to hear, and advertisers want to connect with them.
Would you prefer that the governemnt fund the media instead? All media sources are biased. every one. Even the Wall Street Journal, though it is less biased than most. People need to educate themselves to see through the spin and find the facts within the story.
I didn't insinuate any preference in my post. But to answer your question, government funded media would be worse.I completely agree all media sources are biased. They have to be. A media outlet that tries to be everything to everybody is a media outlet without any demographic for advertisers to target. Advertisers will spend their money where the adverstising is most effective for their good or service. And they do that by knowing the demographic that the media outlet appeals to. The Wall Street Journal can be less biased than most because people by that newspaper more for data than they do journalistic opinion. But people who are looking for journalist opinion want to hear what they agree with. That's how it works at Fox. That's how it works at CNN. That's how it works at CBS/NBC/ABC/MSNBC/etc/etc... All of them know exactly what their viewership wants to hear. So any news is going to reported the way their viewers want it reported. And as time goes on those biases will get stronger and stronger as they get better and better at catering to what their viewers want to hear. That's why I said it was only a matter of time when it was suggested it's never been that bad.But don't think for a second I want to replace that with a system funded by government. UGH!What I would like is the asinine assertations that the only really biased media is Fox News to stop. It's not the only one. Of course it's biased. But so are all the rest. For anyone to even insinuate that the others aren't biased is a grave reflection of ignorance.
 
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Just watched a piece on the History Channel about the election of 1828 and all the lies about both Jackson and Adams spread through the press. But yeah, things were real objective until right now.

 
Death Bytes said:
Statorama said:
bentley said:
Black Label Society said:
adonis said:
Oh boy.Politics really brings out the ridiculous.First, journalists are infringing upon Palins first amendment rights, and now journalism is itself dead. Keep the hits coming, guys. Only a few more days until the election is over and the people have spoken.
Problem is that most of the people get all their information from the biased media.The media has been biased for a long, long time. And there are certain companies biased in certain directions more than others, but overall, everybody wants to convey a message.The truth about the article is that there is a significant bias in the media.The failure though, is that true, objective journalism has been dead a long, long time. And to use current events to say now is the time it finally died it ludicrous.In fact, it itself, is biased.
Objective journalism never existed. At least not in the US. Media bias goes back to the founding fathers (and their relatives).
It was never THIS bad though.
It was only a matter of time. As long as media is funded by advertising, then media has more reason to say what people want to hear rather than what people need to hear. People will listen to what they want to hear, and advertisers want to connect with them.
Would you prefer that the governemnt fund the media instead? All media sources are biased. every one. Even the Wall Street Journal, though it is less biased than most. People need to educate themselves to see through the spin and find the facts within the story.
I didn't insinuate any preference in my post. But to answer your question, government funded media would be worse.I completely agree all media sources are biased. They have to be. A media outlet that tries to be everything to everybody is a media outlet without any demographic for advertisers to target. Advertisers will spend their money where the adverstising is most effective for their good or service. And they do that by knowing the demographic that the media outlet appeals to. The Wall Street Journal can be less biased than most because people by that newspaper more for data than they do journalistic opinion. But people who are looking for journalist opinion want to hear what they agree with. That's how it works at Fox. That's how it works at CNN. That's how it works at CBS/NBC/ABC/MSNBC/etc/etc... All of them know exactly what their viewership wants to hear. So any news is going to reported the way their viewers want it reported. And as time goes on those biases will get stronger and stronger as they get better and better at catering to what their viewers want to hear. That's why I said it was only a matter of time when it was suggested it's never been that bad.But don't think for a second I want to replace that with a system funded by government. UGH!What I would like is the asinine assertations that the only really biased media is Fox News to stop. It's not the only one. Of course it's biased. But so are all the rest. For anyone to even insinuate that the others aren't biased is a grave reflection of ignorance.
But the only alternative to private financing (i.e. advertising) is public financing. Further, I don't see where private financing necessarily affects editorial or journalistic content. Many, if not most major products (the kind that can afford TV advertising) reach across several demographics and across the political spectrum in general. An old Republican needs viagra as much as an old Democrat does. So I just don't see your point here.
 
Death Bytes said:
Statorama said:
bentley said:
Black Label Society said:
adonis said:
Oh boy.Politics really brings out the ridiculous.First, journalists are infringing upon Palins first amendment rights, and now journalism is itself dead. Keep the hits coming, guys. Only a few more days until the election is over and the people have spoken.
Problem is that most of the people get all their information from the biased media.The media has been biased for a long, long time. And there are certain companies biased in certain directions more than others, but overall, everybody wants to convey a message.The truth about the article is that there is a significant bias in the media.The failure though, is that true, objective journalism has been dead a long, long time. And to use current events to say now is the time it finally died it ludicrous.In fact, it itself, is biased.
Objective journalism never existed. At least not in the US. Media bias goes back to the founding fathers (and their relatives).
It was never THIS bad though.
It was only a matter of time. As long as media is funded by advertising, then media has more reason to say what people want to hear rather than what people need to hear. People will listen to what they want to hear, and advertisers want to connect with them.
Would you prefer that the governemnt fund the media instead? All media sources are biased. every one. Even the Wall Street Journal, though it is less biased than most. People need to educate themselves to see through the spin and find the facts within the story.
I didn't insinuate any preference in my post. But to answer your question, government funded media would be worse.I completely agree all media sources are biased. They have to be. A media outlet that tries to be everything to everybody is a media outlet without any demographic for advertisers to target. Advertisers will spend their money where the adverstising is most effective for their good or service. And they do that by knowing the demographic that the media outlet appeals to. The Wall Street Journal can be less biased than most because people by that newspaper more for data than they do journalistic opinion. But people who are looking for journalist opinion want to hear what they agree with. That's how it works at Fox. That's how it works at CNN. That's how it works at CBS/NBC/ABC/MSNBC/etc/etc... All of them know exactly what their viewership wants to hear. So any news is going to reported the way their viewers want it reported. And as time goes on those biases will get stronger and stronger as they get better and better at catering to what their viewers want to hear. That's why I said it was only a matter of time when it was suggested it's never been that bad.But don't think for a second I want to replace that with a system funded by government. UGH!What I would like is the asinine assertations that the only really biased media is Fox News to stop. It's not the only one. Of course it's biased. But so are all the rest. For anyone to even insinuate that the others aren't biased is a grave reflection of ignorance.
But the only alternative to private financing (i.e. advertising) is public financing. Further, I don't see where private financing necessarily affects editorial or journalistic content. Many, if not most major products (the kind that can afford TV advertising) reach across several demographics and across the political spectrum in general. An old Republican needs viagra as much as an old Democrat does. So I just don't see your point here.
I never suggested an alternative to media financing. I just simply pointed out that as long as advertising dollars fund it the media outlets need to tell people what they want to hear as opposed to what they need to hear. Everybody can find a media outlet that will tell them what they want to hear. But in order for anybody to get what they need to hear they have to go to at least more than one media outlet.
 
Death Bytes said:
Statorama said:
bentley said:
Black Label Society said:
adonis said:
Oh boy.

Politics really brings out the ridiculous.

First, journalists are infringing upon Palins first amendment rights, and now journalism is itself dead. Keep the hits coming, guys. Only a few more days until the election is over and the people have spoken.
Problem is that most of the people get all their information from the biased media.The media has been biased for a long, long time. And there are certain companies biased in certain directions more than others, but overall, everybody wants to convey a message.

The truth about the article is that there is a significant bias in the media.

The failure though, is that true, objective journalism has been dead a long, long time. And to use current events to say now is the time it finally died it ludicrous.

In fact, it itself, is biased.
Objective journalism never existed. At least not in the US. Media bias goes back to the founding fathers (and their relatives).
It was never THIS bad though.
It was only a matter of time. As long as media is funded by advertising, then media has more reason to say what people want to hear rather than what people need to hear. People will listen to what they want to hear, and advertisers want to connect with them.
Would you prefer that the governemnt fund the media instead? All media sources are biased. every one. Even the Wall Street Journal, though it is less biased than most. People need to educate themselves to see through the spin and find the facts within the story.
I didn't insinuate any preference in my post. But to answer your question, government funded media would be worse.I completely agree all media sources are biased. They have to be. A media outlet that tries to be everything to everybody is a media outlet without any demographic for advertisers to target. Advertisers will spend their money where the adverstising is most effective for their good or service. And they do that by knowing the demographic that the media outlet appeals to. The Wall Street Journal can be less biased than most because people by that newspaper more for data than they do journalistic opinion. But people who are looking for journalist opinion want to hear what they agree with. That's how it works at Fox. That's how it works at CNN. That's how it works at CBS/NBC/ABC/MSNBC/etc/etc... All of them know exactly what their viewership wants to hear. So any news is going to reported the way their viewers want it reported. And as time goes on those biases will get stronger and stronger as they get better and better at catering to what their viewers want to hear. That's why I said it was only a matter of time when it was suggested it's never been that bad.

But don't think for a second I want to replace that with a system funded by government. UGH!

What I would like is the asinine assertations that the only really biased media is Fox News to stop. It's not the only one. Of course it's biased. But so are all the rest. For anyone to even insinuate that the others aren't biased is a grave reflection of ignorance.
But the only alternative to private financing (i.e. advertising) is public financing. Further, I don't see where private financing necessarily affects editorial or journalistic content. Many, if not most major products (the kind that can afford TV advertising) reach across several demographics and across the political spectrum in general. An old Republican needs viagra as much as an old Democrat does. So I just don't see your point here.
I never suggested an alternative to media financing. I just simply pointed out that as long as advertising dollars fund it the media outlets need to tell people what they want to hear as opposed to what they need to hear. Everybody can find a media outlet that will tell them what they want to hear. But in order for anybody to get what they need to hear they have to go to at least more than one media outlet.
I have to reject your premise, for it is not the people that are funding the media, but the advertisers. Had you said "that so long as advertising dollars fund it, the media outlets need to tell the people what the advertisers want them to hear, then I think your argument would be more logical. As you have presented it, the argument makes little sense. As I said, most products cut across political lines, so I don't see the cause and effect you are trying to demonstrate.
 
Sigh.

I heard the exact same thing between 1992 and 1996. Does anyone remember?

The media is ignoring Whitewater!

The media is ignoring Travelgate!

The media is ignoring Filegate!

The media is ignoring the death of Vince Foster!

The media is ignoring Paula Jones and Katherine Willey!

The media is ignoring selling secrets to China!

As in the case of Obama, the problem was with most of these stories is that the evidence was slipshod, and the subject matter was uninteresting, except to conservatives obsessed with conspiracy. (The same thing occurred during the Bush Administration, when some progressives believed that questions about 9/11 as well as a host of other conspiracies were being unreported by the media; again, the evidence was slipshod.)

 
Death Bytes said:
Statorama said:
bentley said:
Black Label Society said:
adonis said:
Oh boy.

Politics really brings out the ridiculous.

First, journalists are infringing upon Palins first amendment rights, and now journalism is itself dead. Keep the hits coming, guys. Only a few more days until the election is over and the people have spoken.
Problem is that most of the people get all their information from the biased media.The media has been biased for a long, long time. And there are certain companies biased in certain directions more than others, but overall, everybody wants to convey a message.

The truth about the article is that there is a significant bias in the media.

The failure though, is that true, objective journalism has been dead a long, long time. And to use current events to say now is the time it finally died it ludicrous.

In fact, it itself, is biased.
Objective journalism never existed. At least not in the US. Media bias goes back to the founding fathers (and their relatives).
It was never THIS bad though.
It was only a matter of time. As long as media is funded by advertising, then media has more reason to say what people want to hear rather than what people need to hear. People will listen to what they want to hear, and advertisers want to connect with them.
Would you prefer that the governemnt fund the media instead? All media sources are biased. every one. Even the Wall Street Journal, though it is less biased than most. People need to educate themselves to see through the spin and find the facts within the story.
I didn't insinuate any preference in my post. But to answer your question, government funded media would be worse.I completely agree all media sources are biased. They have to be. A media outlet that tries to be everything to everybody is a media outlet without any demographic for advertisers to target. Advertisers will spend their money where the adverstising is most effective for their good or service. And they do that by knowing the demographic that the media outlet appeals to. The Wall Street Journal can be less biased than most because people by that newspaper more for data than they do journalistic opinion. But people who are looking for journalist opinion want to hear what they agree with. That's how it works at Fox. That's how it works at CNN. That's how it works at CBS/NBC/ABC/MSNBC/etc/etc... All of them know exactly what their viewership wants to hear. So any news is going to reported the way their viewers want it reported. And as time goes on those biases will get stronger and stronger as they get better and better at catering to what their viewers want to hear. That's why I said it was only a matter of time when it was suggested it's never been that bad.

But don't think for a second I want to replace that with a system funded by government. UGH!

What I would like is the asinine assertations that the only really biased media is Fox News to stop. It's not the only one. Of course it's biased. But so are all the rest. For anyone to even insinuate that the others aren't biased is a grave reflection of ignorance.
But the only alternative to private financing (i.e. advertising) is public financing. Further, I don't see where private financing necessarily affects editorial or journalistic content. Many, if not most major products (the kind that can afford TV advertising) reach across several demographics and across the political spectrum in general. An old Republican needs viagra as much as an old Democrat does. So I just don't see your point here.
I never suggested an alternative to media financing. I just simply pointed out that as long as advertising dollars fund it the media outlets need to tell people what they want to hear as opposed to what they need to hear. Everybody can find a media outlet that will tell them what they want to hear. But in order for anybody to get what they need to hear they have to go to at least more than one media outlet.
I have to reject your premise, for it is not the people that are funding the media, but the advertisers. Had you said "that so long as advertising dollars fund it, the media outlets need to tell the people what the advertisers want them to hear, then I think your argument would be more logical. As you have presented it, the argument makes little sense. As I said, most products cut across political lines, so I don't see the cause and effect you are trying to demonstrate.
I'm not sure why this is so hard to comprehend. The complaint being put forward is that some media outlets aren't reporting news that people need to hear. But as long as advertising funds the media outlet, media outlets take too much risk reporting what people need to hear. Say for example CBS decides to report the same things Fox is reporting on the premise that people need to hear this news. The CBS viewers would say "I'm not listening to this conservative crap" and turn the channel to NBC. This would cause CBS to lose those viewers, which would cause CBS to lose the advertisers trying to reach those viewers. That is why CBS (and any media outlet) will always, and I repeat ALWAYS, report the news their veiwers want to hear. Reporting news they need to hear is too risky.
 

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