The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (5 Viewers)

[TPW]

CNN made an error in reporting. They fired all of the people involved. Isn't that what's supposed to happen? It seems to me that this (the firing) is proof of the integrity of CNN, not the other way around.

I guess that's one way of putting it. Some people just call it "making ##### up".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdP8TiKY8dE

 

[Slapdash]

So in line with this narrative or maybe driving it... President Bigboy went on another tweeter tear this am - 8 count'em 8 tweets attacking CNN or attempting collusion/obstruction comps.

Also included: 'Mark Levin: The collusion is among the Democrats'. Because colluding in weaponizing hot data with a foreign foe is exactly the same as an American political party.

Hey y'all, spies aren't bad guys, they're just unregistered outside political consultants yaknow.

Kicking the propaganda up to 11 the last few days.  There must be something about to drop out there they are trying to get ahead of.

 

[Sammy3469]

I guess that's one way of putting it. Some people just call it "making ##### up".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdP8TiKY8dE

I know you are, but what am I?

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2016/11/04/even-bret-baier-has-now-abandoned-bret-baiers-anonymously-sourced-fbi-report/214310

 

[Sammy3469]

More fake news...the theme seems to be real news orgs are actually digging into some of these stories now.  NBC does a deep dive into what Manafort was doing in Ukraine.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/what-did-ex-trump-aide-paul-manafort-really-do-ukraine-n775431

 

[TPW]

I know you are, but what am I?

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2016/11/04/even-bret-baier-has-now-abandoned-bret-baiers-anonymously-sourced-fbi-report/214310

Do you see me defending Fox News?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I guess that's one way of putting it. Some people just call it "making ##### up".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdP8TiKY8dE

American Pravda

- Do you know anything about actual Pravda? Odd comp to be making, considering, you know....

 

[Sammy3469]

Do you see me defending Fox News?

:cstu:

 

[packersfan]

I agree with this -- But the big difference  to me is Obama (albeit to a fault) was trying to protect the system and not create discord/distrust while Trump is at least a) outright denying Russia intervention and worse b) colluded with them -- those are not in the same universe

Yup. I think Obama made a big mistake with how he handled the Russia hacking prior to the election. But the way he was proceeding showed actual leadership and actual consideration for our country. Despite that, he did make an egregious mistake in my opinion.

That being said, reading about how McConnell was obstructing Obama's desire to investigate further is pretty repugnant. Or further repugnant in McConnell's case.

 

[TPW]

Do you know anything about actual Pravda? Odd comp to be making, considering, you know....

A reference to Soviet era Pravda, a propaganda outlet for international socialists, would be most appropriate.

 

[packersfan]

Kicking the propaganda up to 11 the last few days.  There must be something about to drop out there they are trying to get ahead of.

Trump's pretty easy to figure out. When he starts lashing out on Twitter at shadows and monsters (usually represented by Obama and/or Hillary) it's a pretty good sign the WH knows something else is about to hit the fan against them.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

A reference to Soviet era Pravda, a propaganda outlet for international socialists, would be most appropriate.

Pravda still exists.

Do you have a problem with the current version? Or no?

 

[packersfan]

CNN made an error in reporting. They fired all of the people involved. Isn't that what's supposed to happen? It seems to me that this (the firing) is proof of the integrity of CNN, not the other way around.

By means of comparison, has Alex Jones (you know, one of the guys Trump holds in high esteem) been fired yet for all of the complete lies he's made up?

 

[honky kong]

Huh?,?,!  You guys live in some strange world not our own.  Leeroy types out that long post and actually makes some sense, but then turns it back on Trump?  Wow. Delusional 

Ok. Here goes. Your thoughts?

I hesitate to do this in this thread but 

 

[Steve]

By means of comparison, has Alex Jones (you know, one of the guys Trump holds in high esteem) been fired yet for all of the complete lies he's made up?

What news organization does he work for?

 

[Sabertooth]

Thanks to CNN the Russian narrative is D.O.A.  Even if there is any truth to it, everyone will dismiss it simply because it has been lumped in with the really fake news Network.

I think you have a warped understanding of the word "everyone."  Everyone you listen to maybe.  But not everyone in the country.  You live in an echo chamber where everybody has all declared him the messiah and beyond reproach.  You can't even fathom that he possibly did something wrong.  

 

[Sabertooth]

What news organization does he work for?

Fake News.  

 

[packersfan]

What news organization does he work for?

Oh let's be clear about something - Jones does not work for a legitimate news organization of any kind.

No matter how badly millions, including Trump, believe Info Wars is a reputable source of information.

 

[Steve]

Fake News.  

When did he start working for CNN?

 

[Steve]

Oh let's be clear about something - Jones does not work for a legitimate news organization of any kind.

Then how can he be fired?

 

[Sabertooth]

When did he start working for CNN?

When the deep state took over for the Rothchilds.  

 

[packersfan]

Then how can he be fired?

I assumed he was being paid by his employer.

 

[Steve]

I assumed he was being paid by his employer.

He doesn't have an employer. 

 

[packersfan]

He doesn't have an employer. 

So he has no source of income? No wonder his wife wanted a divorce.

Well on top of all the other rather enormous issues that make him a human scumbag of course.

 

[Steve]

So he has no source of income?

If that is what you believe because someone is self employed then you aren't a bright one. 

 

[packersfan]

If that is what you believe because someone is self employed then you aren't a bright one. 

It obviously isn't but we've ventured too far off the primary point so I'll leave things at that. 

 

[Steve]

It obviously isn't but we've ventured too far off the primary point so I'll leave things at that. 

Good call....you look like a fool. 

 

[badmojo1006]

It obviously isn't but we've ventured too far off the primary point so I'll leave things at that. 

PDFTT

 

[Slapdash]

Pravda still exists.

Do you have a problem with the current version? Or no?

Most on the right trust Russian state news more than the independent media in America at this point.

 

[packersfan]

Most on the right trust Russian state news more than the independent media in America at this point.

Recent posts in this thread paint a rather depressing picture that reinforces what you just said. 

I still believe the alt.right movement will prove to be short-lived in terms of the victory they've sustained elevating lies above facts in our country. But the two Trump threads in this forum show how far we still need to go to restore sanity in our country and arrive at a point where facts are once again facts that all will agree upon.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Most on the right trust Russian state news more than the independent media in America at this point.

The Trump WH actually gives them press credentials.

I guess the conversation about identifying and rejecting real propaganda is over.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Reminds me of a conversation I had with Oadi where I informed him the Ukrainian War was still going on. That was that.

 

[Slapdash]

Recent posts in this thread paint a rather depressing picture that reinforces what you just said. 

I still believe the alt.right movement will prove to be short-lived in terms of the victory they've sustained elevating lies above facts in our country. But the two Trump threads in this forum show how far we still need to go to restore sanity in our country and arrive at a point where facts are once again facts that all will agree upon.

Yeah, it is mostly the alt-right.  For now though, the run of the mill partisans and GOP politicians aren't exactly siding against it.

 

[packersfan]

Yeah, it is mostly the alt-right.  For now though, the run of the mill partisans and GOP politicians aren't exactly siding against it.

Nope. Party over country combined with the rise of propaganda and denial of truth is a powerful and dangerous combination.

 

[packersfan]

PDFTT

Yeah I slip from time to time and attempt to have an actual conversation with them. Sorry guys. That one's on me.

 

[Slapdash]

A good point:

Seth Abramson‏Verified account @SethAbramson 12h12 hours ago

If Page spent ten hours talking with the FBI without an attorney, you can bet he lied at least *once*. And if he lied once, it's a *felony*.

 

[packersfan]

A good point:

Seth Abramson‏Verified account @SethAbramson 12h12 hours ago

If Page spent ten hours talking with the FBI without an attorney, you can bet he lied at least *once*. And if he lied once, it's a *felony*.

It is a good point but we're at a period when felonies, perjury, obstruction, conflicts of interest etc. appear to mean nothing. Or at least considerably less then they did not long ago. 

 

[Slapdash]

Why Is Donald Trump Enabling Russian Espionage in America?

Read the whole thing

 

[Quez]

"if there was anything there it would have been leaked already" - CNN ?

 

[packersfan]

Why Is Donald Trump Enabling Russian Espionage in America?

Read the whole thing

Congress orders Trump to keep a closer eye on Russian spies in our country.

Trump refused.

Yup, this is all a liberal/media conspiracy. Nothing to see here at all. 

 

[Quez]

Why Is Donald Trump Enabling Russian Espionage in America?

Read the whole thing

Who cares if it's true or not, as long as it gets clicks!  Yeah, Schindler is having a meltdown.  All his hard work is being undermined by by the Clown News Network.  ?

 

[Quez]

6/27/17 - the day the Russian Conspiracy officially died.  Bucs themed Avatar will be returning soon.  My work is finished here.

 

[Ilov80s]

"if there was anything there it would have been leaked already" - Guy that produces health and medical related content for CNN

Fixed it to make it more accurate

 

[packersfan]

So similar to the D mandate to oppose Trump, Bush, etc.  I guess Bear's fans hate for the Packers would be racist if Aaron Rodgers was black.

Yup, that's an excellent analogy. 

 

[Slapdash]

Who cares if it's true or not, as long as it gets clicks!  Yeah, Schindler is having a meltdown.  All his hard work is being undermined by by the Clown News Network.  ?

You shouldn't really be throwing stones at anyone's mental health

 

[Sheriff Bart]

CNN made an error in reporting. They fired all of the people involved. Isn't that what's supposed to happen? It seems to me that this (the firing) is proof of the integrity of CNN, not the other way around.

To be fair the idea of "journalistic standards" is as confusing as quantum physics to these folks. 

 

[packersfan]

To be fair the idea of "journalistic standards" is as confusing as quantum physics to these folks. 

They also seem confused that there's a difference between reporters making a mistake and those who conjure up blatant lies to push forth propaganda.

There's a rather huge difference there in fact.

 

[Sheriff Bart]

It is a good point but we're at a period when felonies, perjury, obstruction, conflicts of interest etc. appear to mean nothing. Or at least considerably less then they did not long ago. 

That's what is so infuriating. 

 

[Sheriff Bart]

They also seem confused that there's a difference between reporters making a mistake and those who conjure up blatant lies to push forth propaganda.

There's a rather huge difference there in fact.

Right. "OMG www.liberalsaresatan.com says there's nothing to see here!!" 

 

[packersfan]

That's what is so infuriating. 

Yup. That we're now in a place where clear facts are ignored and clear lies are embraced as truths is easily one of the most frustrating and depressing aspects of our present society. 

 

[packersfan]

Right. "OMG www.liberalsaresatan.com says there's nothing to see here!!" 

When you have millions, including and most prominently Trump, believing the lies spread by the likes of Hannity and Jones and pushing them forward as truths you realize just how far we've fallen as a country.