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I’m not sure what that would gain us.
I respect your thoughts but I firmly disagree. We need at all costs to avoid a military response.
And when did those nations join? And what percentage of Russia’s border do they represent?
If Neville had lived during the nuclear age, his actions would have been far more justifiable.
This is correct, but we also needed to encourage energy independence for us and the EU to defang Russia. Our current posture is putting billions into the Russian war effort. Wretched strategic mistake by our administration in the name of appeasing the looney left.
This is true. Russia is largely a failed state. I was very surprised to find that they're not even top 10 anymore in GDP. On the world stage really they are a one truck pony - energy.
Right. What the hell do I know about Russia. I only majored in International Relations in college, spent a year at the London School of Economics, visited Russia twice and spent a week at the American Embassy in Moscow. And you know nothing about Tucker Carlson, nor do any of the Liberals in here. If you did, you'd know that he regularly deviates from the strain of Conservatism thinking that has dominated the Republican Party for most of the last 50 years. He doesn't tow anyone's line - not Trump or anyone else. He eviscerated Lindsey Graham tonight. Took him down harder than I've ever heard any Liberal do. Not that you care to learn about these things, but Tucker's a Paleoconservative (as opposed to a Neoconservative). I don't subscribe to all his views, but a very good argument can be made that America's policy of interventionism has been an abject failure since WWII. I'm not advocating a complete hands-off approach, but how about something in the middle? Something intelligent, where we establish clear lines that make sense - lines that correspond to our vital national interests. You want to get in a ####### war with Russia? Over Ukraine? You'd send your son or daughter over there to fight and perhaps die for that cause?
So this means hot British chicks, hot Italian chicks, hot French chicks, etc., correct?
Or when someone sees us careening into crazy-town, just because it's the opposite of Trump and Tucker Carlson. You want to understand Russia? Visit the WWII memorial in St. Petersburg, formerly Leningrad. It's an expansive above ground / underground, very simple memorial with the names of all the people who died in the Siege of Leningrad between 1941 and 1944. It goes on and on and on and on. 5.5 million names. And they persevered, and went on to kick Hitler's ###. The people in here pining for military intervention are absolutely nuts, and I'll bet my last dollar they wouldn't volunteer their children to go over there and fight. Stick with the economic sanctions, and make it very clear to Russia that if they cross one foot into Poland we will defend them. Better yet, send troops to Poland to make it perfectly clear.
Wait, I'm not pining for military intervention. I would support giving arms and training to Ukraine. And, of course, stationing troops in Poland, Latvia, etc.
And yes you are correct that I’m on full tilt. Never a good look when one posts his bona fides. I wish I could take it back but you quoted it. 
It’s around the same time when Latvia and Lithuania broke away I believe. Good stuff.moleculo said:
If we hadn't led a coup there 8 years ago we probably aren't where we are today either.Snotbubbles said:
Speaking of cyber attacks, does anyone actually think that Russia isn’t going to respond to sanctions by hitting everyone with cyber attacks? Our infrastructure system is a disaster and has proven to be extremely vulnerable to cyber attack. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if huge parts of the US end up without power or other utilities.
Contrary to whatever blissful world you think you live in there are bad people out there. It’s why you can’t pretend that everything is peaches and cream and sometimes you need to be tough.
So if we survive this we need to go yo war to get rid of Russian, Chinese, Iranian, Cuban, Nicaragua, etc. I don't think we will survive that tim.
The Ukraine is a major producer and exporter of wheat and corn. This action by Putin is going to not only interrupt the export of vital commodities it also will disrupt the production of those commodities. China who is the worlds largest importer is going to see significantly higher food prices. They are not going to like this. Commodities that were already very high are locked in the limit up overnight. It’s not going to be just oil prices that are skyrocketing you will see it at the grocery store as well.
Let’s say Russia takes it over, now he’s bordering Poland (nato), a country they also controlled. Putin is a loon, but what stops him?
This would be idiotic escalation on Putin's part. I'd be shocked if this happens.
Not in this context, but I'm curious of the details the next time this happens. Insurance companies whiplashed in response to what happened with the water treatment plant in Florida. They used to be rather lax when it came to those controls, but they won't even consider renewal coverage anymore unless you're all-in.
Obviously Putin has calculated that Ukraine is low hanging fruit.
Honestly, I would cover the mindset and personal history of Putin. The future isn't necessarily determined by the past, but what people (and particularly the leaders) think about the past.
