CowboysFromHell
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Tough day for the zebras (1 Viewer)
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Green Bay fans expect at least 1-2 horrible calls per week, so this was actually a good day for the refs from our standpoint.
Abstract
Footballguy
I 100% agree with you. It totally changed the game.
ponchsox
Footballguy
Not that you're biased or anything
Rovers
Footballguy
I think the Jets Broncos game may have been the worst I've ever seen. Before the Broncs fans get on my behind (which they will anyway), the Jets won, it isn't a sour grapes post. I thought they were beyond bad. A few bad calls is one thing, but to make about 12 bad calls in one game.... they were putrid, and I hope they all get fired. Watching that game, for the first time in my life I wondered if Vegas had gotten to the refs.
njherdfan
Footballguy
yep. A couple ridiculous calls went against the Jets as well, there was a phantom PI on Cromartie and a phantom personal foul on Leonhard. Those got most of my attention but I was also shocked by that call on Flowers
Abstract
Footballguy
Not that you're biased or anything
nysportsfan
Footballguy
Doesn't make it any less trueNot that you're biased or anything
CowboysFromHell
Footballguy
The Jets Broncos was the game I mostly watched during the late games, and that's the game that prompted me to start this thread. But, there were obviously others.
nysportsfan
Footballguy
They were awful all game on both sides.
gary mexico
Footballguy
What can i say? They love to be a part of the gamePlease discuss.
Yeah but they still allow every defender in the league to hit Rodgers in the head.
That's not accurate. They called one against the Bears, but the Packers still commited too many penalties to win.
CowboysFromHell
Footballguy
If they reverse this call in the Sunday night game (interception, then fumble), then WTF happened with Calvin Johnson back in the beginning of the season???
az_prof
Footballguy
I didn't see this game but I have had this thought before. It isn't crazy either. Refs are not that highly paid. And, they can easily influence outcome of games and most of the time no one would ever question them. To my knowledge, no referee has ever been accused of collusion--that's not proof it doesn't happen either--that's proof that they can do it and feel confident that they won't be called on it.
CowboysFromHell
Footballguy
OK, finally some consistency!
Northbound Train
Footballguy
Absolutely brutal...tough way to lose. That call should've been offensive P.I
Sabertooth
Footballguy
That call against the Packers is on Mike McCarthy alone. It was illegal. If there was a question, he should have asked the ref before the play. 100% on McCarthy. Much like the Calvin Johnson play earlier in the season, it is a bad rule, but it was correctly enforced. The only difference is that is precisely how the coaches told him to do it.
What was the problem with this call. It may be a stupid rule, but it was the right call.
Arch Stanton
Footballguy
CowboysFromHell
Footballguy
Finally?They called the CJ inc the way they've been calling it for years.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
Would have been a ticky tack offensive PI call. It was a phantom defensive PI call. Best would have been no call.
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Yep. Preposterous. Not that it matters, but I had no rooting interest in this game.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Please knock it off with this. The Calvin Johnson rule is fine, but was applied horribly on the field. We've been over this before. kthx.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I was wondering about this one too, but the commentators where so completely emphtatic that it was the right call that I just went with it. Thanks for posting this.
SkyRattlers
Anti-aliai
The worst call in the Dolphin/Packer game was not the player over the centre on the punt call. It was the 4 and 1 play where Ronnie Brown clearly made the first down and the refs still blew the call after it was challenged.
Which is what it ended up being. Houston declined the penalty.Would have been a ticky tack offensive PI call. It was a phantom defensive PI call. Best would have been no call.Absolutely brutal...tough way to lose. That call should've been offensive P.I
Bruce Leroy
Footballguy
Someday we're all going to find out the refs are influenced by outside sources. Just like the NBA.
Eviloutsider
Footballguy
That was horrible.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
This.The call on the punt was pretty much textbook.The 4th and 1 play on the other hand was terrible, especially after the replay.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
http://media.jsonline.com/images/28007144_punt.jpgHe is not within a yard of the LOS. Seems like a bad call.
sho nuff
Footballguy
4th and 1 was bad...but it was not as blatant as it gets.Do you believe he was within a yard of the LOS?
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Meh, from that pic it looks like the ball is dead on the 44 yard line, and the GB player's head is between the 43 and 44 yard line. I don't know what part of the body counts as "lined up 1 yard off", but his head is not more than 1 yard from the ball.Either way, it was nowhere near as blatant as the bad 4th and 1 call, and that one even had replay.
ETA: It looks like his right foot is on or inside the 43 yard line too.
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Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
Shouldn't any QB in the shotgun just punt the ball if he sees a defender line up over the center?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I hate the Chiefs, and I can say with 100% confidence that they got royally screwed on that call. My beef is how inconsistent the refs are with the helmet to helmet calls. Some are very iffy, yet get flagged. Meanwhile, that thug James Harrison laid out two Browns with helmet to helmet hits today and I don't think either was flagged. And Sam Bradford was hit so hard by a helmet, it knocked his freaking helmet off, yet no call.Not that you're biased or anything
49erBamBam52
Footballguy
i didnt get to see the other games, but the Intentional grounding call against the niners was horrific...
as was the non saftey call...
at least it didnt effect the outcome of the game... i would be so pissed if one of those calls resulted ina loss... i feel for you chiefs fans (from what i read).
BAM
ETA: do the refs get fined for making incorrect calls??? somone or something has to keep these folks accountable.
as was the non saftey call...
at least it didnt effect the outcome of the game... i would be so pissed if one of those calls resulted ina loss... i feel for you chiefs fans (from what i read).
BAM
ETA: do the refs get fined for making incorrect calls??? somone or something has to keep these folks accountable.
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
That one looked unavoidable as both were diving or going down. A lot different scenario than the hits being talked about. It's hard to avoid someone's head when that someone is also on his way down.I hate the Chiefs, and I can say with 100% confidence that they got royally screwed on that call. My beef is how inconsistent the refs are with the helmet to helmet calls. Some are very iffy, yet get flagged. Meanwhile, that thug James Harrison laid out two Browns with helmet to helmet hits today and I don't think either was flagged. And Sam Bradford was hit so hard by a helmet, it knocked his freaking helmet off, yet no call.Not that you're biased or anything
mad sweeney
Footballguy
They get graded and that grading affects their post-season assignments. The only time I can recall a ref fine being made, at least publicly, was when a ref gave Baltimore an extra TO that gave them the time to tie a game and win it in OT. Bal called their last TO but there was a flag on the play. Bal got their TO back, the flagged was waved off and the ref didn't start the clock back up essentially giving them an extra TO. He was fined half a game check, $2500. Haven't heard of any ref fines ever before or since though I'm sure there must be.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
I'm not a Packers fan, but I'm a bit surprised by the number of headshots to Rodgers that fail to get flagged. He's getting the opposite of star treatment.
GregR_2
Footballguy
When I was younger I got a lot more up in arms about bad calls. Over time though I came to accept just how many bad and missed calls there are and how many of them totally change a game. And I started focusing instead on the things my team could actually control. The Flowers-AJ call is a great example. Yes, absolutely horrible call and it would grate on me if I was a KC fan. And it's also true that Flowers got away with pass interference on AJ in the early 2nd quarter when Flowers grabbed AJ's shoulder pad to keep him from getting separation... which resulted in the Texans having to punt when it should have been 1st and 10 from around the Chiefs 40. I wouldn't get up in arms about either play no matter which team I was a fan of. Groan, swear a bit, and move on and worry about what the team can actually control. As a Texans fan I'm up in arms about Schaub being slow in his decision making early in the game and seeming to lock into receivers, and about how they weren't able to get any pressure on the QB. If I were a Chiefs fan, I'd be more up in arms on why my team, leading by 10 late in the 3rd and early 4th, is snapping the ball with 10 and 15 seconds on the play clock instead of running a lot more time off, and calling passes on 3rd down and 2 late in the game when they had been running at will all day. The Texans last drive would have never had time to reach scoring range if the Chiefs had shown some proper clock management. Those are the kind of things the team can and should be getting right.So anyway, don't get too down. The Chiefs have come a long way from where they were the last few seasons. You guys have some real talent to build around and I think a bright future.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
No, it wasn't.
Class Dismissed
Footballguy
The NFL is perfectly content with a certain level of incompetence from it's officials.
It gives them cover to manipulate the games.
Case in point Pitt v SD WK 11 2008, anybody who witnessed that game could smell a stinky rat.
http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/...g-mistaken.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Pittsbur..._Diego_Chargers
It gives them cover to manipulate the games.
Case in point Pitt v SD WK 11 2008, anybody who witnessed that game could smell a stinky rat.
http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/...g-mistaken.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Pittsbur..._Diego_Chargers
snogger
Footballguy
Looking at the picture I'd say he is either exactly 1 yard, or 1 yard and an inch. Either way, why take the chance?
Line up slightly left or right of the center and there is no chance of getting called for it.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Exactly. The Packers need to fire their ST coach. He's done nothing but cost them all year. I honestly don't know how he keeps his job. I'd rather have an unknown coaching them.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Youre right...why take any chances.No need to ever play bump and run coverage...can't chance those flags.
Don't block blitzing LBs...can't chance a holding.
No need to tackle from behind...can't risk a horse collar.
If you do something within the rules...its not taking a chance. Its up to the zebras to get it right.
Its close...which is why I said it seems like a bad call. That they were not even sure when it happened and waited til during the TV timeout to throw the flag does not make it any better.
And as I said in the other thread...its not what cost GB the game...just seems like a bad call which is what this thread is about.
sho nuff
Footballguy
While Slocum does need to lose his job...it should not be over that one.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Tom Coughlin throws a challenge flag for some ridiculous reason. Refs talk to him and allow him to pick it up. He knows the rules he should lose his timeout and his ability to challenge.
