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I posted this in the game thread, but wanted to get some more discussion going. Outside of Suh, can anyone think of a recent rookie defender who has been this dominant right off the bat? I think barring injury he has a good chance to break Jevon Kearse's rookie record of 14.5 sacks. With 9.5 sacks through 10 games (9.5 through his last 9 games as he didn't record a sack week 1), he basically just has to keep up his current pace to break the record--5.5 sacks through the remaining 6 games is very doable.

But it's not just the sacks... This guy gets pressure on the QB constantly. He is an absolute menace. And on top of all that, he is also an adequate if not very good run stopper, too.

I have to think he's a near lock for DROY, and should also garner Pro-Bowl and even All-Pro consideration. His current pace: 61 solos, 16 assists, 22 TFL, 5 FF, 15 sacks, 5 PD. Those are James Harrison circa '08 type numbers.

What other rookies this season, and in recent history, are even close to him as far as immediate dominance? Some other pass rushers that come to mind from recent years are Merriman, Ware, Orakpo & Matthews, and if we're talking this season, Kerrigan has been pretty damn good. But none of them, IMO, compare to Von.

I'm trying to think of players at other positions, but am drawing a blank...

Anyway, I'm curious to hear the Pool's thoughts on this.

 
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He's looked so good this year - in person and on TV. I got to see him a lot in practice as well and he never looked like a rookie. Love the guy. Just a great draft by Fox this year with Miller leading the way.

 
That sack on Mark Sanchez on the last drive of the game- just wow. Absolutely blew up the offensive lineman.

Something that might not have gotten noticed- the Jets were driving early in the game and made it inside the 10. Holmes beats Champ on a slant and it looks like a lay up touchdown. But Von Miller has the underneath coverage sticks his hands up and deflects the pass and saves the touchdown. The throw was mostly a bad decision to throw it by sanchez, but it goes to show at least it's not 100% about the pass rush with this guy.

 
He's a major reason why Denver's defense has gone from bottom third to top third this year. DEfinitely should be DROY if he keeps it up imo.

 
Having as much of an impact (for his team) as a rookie as Ndomukong Suh. It's more than X's and O's. His teammates believe and it's bringing a culture changing attitude.

 
He may break the rookie record during the Chargers game. Our Oline is in shambles and it does not handle speed rush guys well. RIP 2011 Chargers.

 
Aldon Smith has been pretty good this year too
Smith's good at what he does - rush the passer, and he had a ~3 game stretch where he looked like he might compete for DROY, but Von Miller is just ridiculous. Miller is also playing like an every down LB, while Aldon is clearly a passing down specialist. I think Aldon will be a good player, but Miller is just too far ahead of him right now.
 
'chook said:
$50 on him at 10/1 at the start of the season for DROY :pickle:
Any idea what the odds are at now?That's a great bet. I think anyone who saw him play in the preseason knew that if he stayed healthy all season he'd be hard to beat for DROY.
 
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Great pick by Denver. I wondered how well he would fit as a 4-3 OLB and what impact he would have, but he has been incredible. I think Dennis Allen has done a good job moving him around too. The fact that he can play from multiple positions and effectively play the run/defend the pass in addition to his elite pass rushing skills this early in his career is incredible. :thumbup:

 
I forgot Jason Pierre-Paul played last year. He's on about the same sack pack in his second year

 
'chook said:
$50 on him at 10/1 at the start of the season for DROY :pickle:
Any idea what the odds are at now?That's a great bet. I think anyone who saw him play in the preseason knew that if he stayed healthy all season he'd be hard to beat for DROY.
No longer a market with the agency I put it on with. Even more impressive were the 6/1 odds on Rodgers for MVP, which I had a nice slice of as well. Unfortunately Greg Little doesn't look like he'll be winning OROY for me though!Miller is a beast, love watching players like him go about it.
 
$50 on him at 10/1 at the start of the season for DROY :pickle:
Any idea what the odds are at now?That's a great bet. I think anyone who saw him play in the preseason knew that if he stayed healthy all season he'd be hard to beat for DROY.
No longer a market with the agency I put it on with. Even more impressive were the 6/1 odds on Rodgers for MVP, which I had a nice slice of as well. Unfortunately Greg Little doesn't look like he'll be winning OROY for me though!Miller is a beast, love watching players like him go about it.
2 out of 3 at those odds is still pretty sick...
 
And the Legend grows.... Defensive Player of the Week.http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/35986/von-miller-is-afc-dpow
for good reason...great game vs NYJ. The dude seems to be getting better every week. Not just in pass rush either; Von made some great plays in coverage (TD saving knockdown) and in run defense.
 
'Assani Fisher said:
$50 on him at 10/1 at the start of the season for DROY :pickle:
Any idea what the odds are at now?That's a great bet. I think anyone who saw him play in the preseason knew that if he stayed healthy all season he'd be hard to beat for DROY.
I think you may be able to find it at 1/8 at some books now(thats 1/8, not 8/1), but they all have very low betting limits on it. My guess is that if he has one more solid week this week it'll be off the board everywhere.
So, basically 1/8 is equivalent to 7:1 yeah?
 
And the Legend grows.... Defensive Player of the Week.http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/35986/von-miller-is-afc-dpow
for good reason...great game vs NYJ. The dude seems to be getting better every week. Not just in pass rush either; Von made some great plays in coverage (TD saving knockdown) and in run defense.
Yeah, this kid is doing it all. Amazing how far he's come from a few weeks ago when he was being pulled during non-pass rushing situations. Scary to think how good he can be.
 
'Assani Fisher said:
$50 on him at 10/1 at the start of the season for DROY :pickle:
Any idea what the odds are at now?That's a great bet. I think anyone who saw him play in the preseason knew that if he stayed healthy all season he'd be hard to beat for DROY.
I think you may be able to find it at 1/8 at some books now(thats 1/8, not 8/1), but they all have very low betting limits on it. My guess is that if he has one more solid week this week it'll be off the board everywhere.
So, basically 1/8 is equivalent to 7:1 yeah?
1/8 means for every 8 dollars you put down you win 1 dollar.
 
'Assani Fisher said:
$50 on him at 10/1 at the start of the season for DROY :pickle:
Any idea what the odds are at now?That's a great bet. I think anyone who saw him play in the preseason knew that if he stayed healthy all season he'd be hard to beat for DROY.
I think you may be able to find it at 1/8 at some books now(thats 1/8, not 8/1), but they all have very low betting limits on it. My guess is that if he has one more solid week this week it'll be off the board everywhere.
So, basically 1/8 is equivalent to 7:1 yeah?
1/8 means for every 8 dollars you put down you win 1 dollar.
Wow, that's crazy. I assumed it meant the probability that he will win it is 1/8, and thus the odds would be 7:1. So, 1/8 is just equivalent to 1:8 in this context?
 
And the Legend grows.... Defensive Player of the Week.http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/35986/von-miller-is-afc-dpow
for good reason...great game vs NYJ. The dude seems to be getting better every week. Not just in pass rush either; Von made some great plays in coverage (TD saving knockdown) and in run defense.
Yeah, this kid is doing it all. Amazing how far he's come from a few weeks ago when he was being pulled during non-pass rushing situations. Scary to think how good he can be.
Think DEN D/ST will be a good start @ SD this week?
 
As a current A&M student who watched Von Miller evolve as a player, I could not be happier for him. Nothing but good things to say about him. Broncos got a great one.

 
And the Legend grows.... Defensive Player of the Week.http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/35986/von-miller-is-afc-dpow
for good reason...great game vs NYJ. The dude seems to be getting better every week. Not just in pass rush either; Von made some great plays in coverage (TD saving knockdown) and in run defense.
Yeah, this kid is doing it all. Amazing how far he's come from a few weeks ago when he was being pulled during non-pass rushing situations. Scary to think how good he can be.
Think DEN D/ST will be a good start @ SD this week?
That's a tough call. Denver historically plays awful in San Diego, at least over the past several years. on the other hand, Phillip Rivers is obviously not "right" at the moment. Have to assume Denver's plan will be to get to him early and often, get some big hits on him early, get him rattled, and force him to make mistakes like he has all season. If they have success, it could be a long day for Rivers and the San Diego offense. Contrarily, if Rivers is able to make good reads and beat the blitz, it could be a long day for the Denver defense.Really, it could go either way, and I'd probably steer clear of them. But, if you need to hit a Hail Mary so to speak, I suppose they're worth the risk.
 
I'm starting to think DPOY consideration the way this kid is playing. Just makes so many huge plays at key moments.

 
I'm starting to think DPOY consideration the way this kid is playing. Just makes so many huge plays at key moments.
kid has been clutch, no doubt. That last tackle for a 4 yard loss on OT, pushing the FG attempt that much further back, was absolutely huge.
 
I'm starting to think DPOY consideration the way this kid is playing. Just makes so many huge plays at key moments.
kid has been clutch, no doubt. That last tackle for a 4 yard loss on OT, pushing the FG attempt that much further back, was absolutely huge.
Yup, it was probably the biggest play of the game. Not to mention the PD he had in OT that ended San Diego's first drive. Just comes up huge in clutch moments. Love the fact that Dumervil is back to stud status, too. These too seem to feed off of each other. Amazing how often they seem to meet at the QB.
 
The whole D. is the reason this team is in every game.
right...especially Miller.
Yup. If nothing else he is the Broncos' MVP so far this season. I think lost in all of this, too, is how well Champ is playing. He completely shut down VJax today, and that has been his MO all season. He's still one of the elite CB's in the league, and as close as there is to a shutdown corner in the game right now.
 
The whole D. is the reason this team is in every game.
Agreed. Miller is a huge part of that, but Dennis Allen and John Fox have done a very good job putting players in positions to make plays. :thumbup:I know the comparison has been made over and over, but he really does look like Derrick Thomas out there.
 
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Guy was an animal today, has had several games like that this year. i was impressed when he brought down Mike Tolbert with 1 arm while being blocked down to the ground by an OLineman while he was on all fours. That to me was incredible.

 
'Ministry of Pain said:
Guy was an animal today, has had several games like that this year. i was impressed when he brought down Mike Tolbert with 1 arm while being blocked down to the ground by an OLineman while he was on all fours. That to me was incredible.
:thumbup:That play sas amazing, and as stated above probably the biggest play of the game. Looking at his numbers alone, it's clear that he is having a helluva season. But then watching him play shows so many things that the numbers do not--his amazing athletic ability, his versatility, his knack for making huge plays at key moments, etc.. Some players are compilers, and not nearly as good their numbers would suggest. Other guys, like Miller, are the opposite. He's putting up sick numbers, but he's been even better than his numbers suggest.
 
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'Buffaloes said:
The whole D. is the reason this team is in every game.
Agreed. Miller is a huge part of that, but Dennis Allen and John Fox have done a very good job putting players in positions to make plays. :thumbup:I know the comparison has been made over and over, but he really does look like Derrick Thomas out there.
Credit definitely has to be given to Allen/Fox for coaching Miller up, given that he was being pulled in non obvious passing situations earlier in the season as I stated previously in this thread. But I think Miller's drive to improve in those areas where he was struggling has been just as a big a factor. In a radio interview, he said that he hated to have to look at his teammates faces when he was pulled--he wanted to get better because he did not want to let his teammates down like that. Now he's an every down, jack of all trades beast. Really, that whole defense is playing amazing, but it starts with the pass rush, and thus with Miller and Dumervil (Von Doom). I can't remember the last time Denver had such a dominant duo of pass rushers. Throw in the fact that Champ is playing just about as good as ever and D.J. is having perhaps his best season. Our interior D Line has stepped up its game and Dawkins seems to have found a second wind(or perhaps, third, fourth, fifth wind). This defense appears to be legit.And I agree completely with the Derrick Thomas comparison. Based on interviews and his on field play, I think it's clear that he models his game after the HOFer.
 
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The Fox Formula is quite simple:

1) Build a strong defense

2) Develop a good running game

3) Feature one WR

Simple as that...if you do not fall into one of these categories, you may as well be a punter (do you hear me Eddie Royal/Orange Julius)?

 
'Ministry of Pain said:
Guy was an animal today, has had several games like that this year. i was impressed when he brought down Mike Tolbert with 1 arm while being blocked down to the ground by an OLineman while he was on all fours. That to me was incredible.
:thumbup:That play sas amazing, and as stated above probably the biggest play of the game. Looking at his numbers alone, it's clear that he is having a helluva season. But then watching him play shows so many things that the numbers do not--his amazing athletic ability, his versatility, his knack for making huge plays at key moments, etc.. Some players are compilers, and not nearly as good their numbers would suggest. Other guys, like Miller, are the opposite. He's putting up sick numbers, but he's been even better than his numbers suggest.
The thing that has impressed me the most is how he has gotten better each week, and what a complete player he has quickly turned into. His speed off the edge was immediately evident, but he's really rounded into a solid player against the run and in the limited times he falls into coverage. He also doesn't just rely on that explosive speed anymore, mixing in bull rushes and spin moves to keep linemen off balance and take away their ability to cheat out. I don't know how you block him at this point.
 
He's certainly no Tim Tebow. Seriously the lack of national publicity that Tebow gets and that Von Miller doesn't is almost criminal.

 
He's certainly no Tim Tebow. Seriously the lack of national publicity that Tebow gets and that Von Miller doesn't is almost criminal.
Very true. During this entire 5-1 stretch, all of the talking heads in the media (aside from local radio sports talk radio guys) have pretty much focused entirely on Tebow, while Miller and the Denver D gets glossed over at best. Unfortunately, good defenses are a dime a dozen but Tim Tebow is one of a kind. Alas, the real heroes get lost in the shuffle.That's not to say Tebow doesn't deserve his share of the press. He does make for a great story and his late game heroics have been pretty impressive. But the near complete lack of praise for this defense, and Miller in particular, is ridiculous. MIller did earn DPOW honors last week, and should be in consideration for the award again this week, but even so, it was hardly mentioned.
 
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The Fox Formula is quite simple:1) Build a strong defense2) Develop a good running game3) Feature one WRSimple as that...if you do not fall into one of these categories, you may as well be a punter (do you hear me Eddie Royal/Orange Julius)?
#3 was never a Fox formula. The year the Panthers went to the Super Bowl both Moose and Smith were good. Smith broke his leg the next year, and Colbert had a decent rookie season, but Moose had a great season. Moose left after that year, and Smith was great, but Colbert struggled. Carolina never could find that #2 good WR after Moose left, but it wasn't because they didn't try, and when Moose came back he was older. Delhomme is the one who would focus on Smith all the time, but Smith was the only one that would consistently catch the ball.
 
The whole D. is the reason this team is in every game.
right...especially Miller.
Yup. If nothing else he is the Broncos' MVP so far this season. I think lost in all of this, too, is how well Champ is playing. He completely shut down VJax today, and that has been his MO all season. He's still one of the elite CB's in the league, and as close as there is to a shutdown corner in the game right now.
I'm loving Champ as well. I see it in a slightly different light though.Von Miller is the best thing to happen to Champ at this stage in his career. Champ can't guard guys like he used to. He used to be a true "shut down". Now he's "shut down for a few solid seconds" (which is still better than most CB's in the league). With Von crashing the QB (and Elvis getting loose now too) it enables Champ to not have to cover quite as long and many times the QB ends up throwing a hurried pass in Champ's direction. With his experience and instincts his level of play has risen drastically.Another nod to Von. God, I love watching him play.
 
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'Hoss Style said:
The whole D. is the reason this team is in every game.
right...especially Miller.
Yup. If nothing else he is the Broncos' MVP so far this season. I think lost in all of this, too, is how well Champ is playing. He completely shut down VJax today, and that has been his MO all season. He's still one of the elite CB's in the league, and as close as there is to a shutdown corner in the game right now.
I'm loving Champ as well. I see it in a slightly different light though.Von Miller is the best thing to happen to Champ at this stage in his career. Champ can't guard guys like he used to. He used to be a true "shut down". Now he's "shut down for a few solid seconds" (which is still better than most CB's in the league). With Von crashing the QB (and Elvis getting loose now too) it enables Champ to not have to cover quite as long and many times the QB ends up throwing a hurried pass in Champ's direction. With his experience and instincts his level of play has risen drastically.Another nod to Von. God, I love watching him play.
very true. The best way to make a defensive backfield look good, or put another way, the best way to cover up its deficiencies, is to have a great pass rush. Champ had his best season when Pryce was still in Denver and wreaking havoc on opposing QB's. After that he had Dumervil, but no one else--it was pretty much a one man show. Now he has two beast pass rushers and it is certainly helping him. You're right, though--with Champ's experience and instincts, he no longer needs elite measurables to play at a high level.
 
But you're right in that it is another nod to Von... Not only is he playing out of his mind, but his play elevates the play of everyone else around him. As defenses begin to realize just how devastating Von can be, and start to gameplan around him, his impact on the play of his teammates will be further magnified.

 
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Von Miller apparently had hand surgery today and may miss Sunday's game.

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Oh no! According to Thatguy, that should mean Denver should lose in a blowout this weekend. After all, Von is the MVP of that team. Without him, the Broncos would be going nowhere!

Did he even play the first 5 games?
What?? :confused:

I went back and scanned the thread to see if I missed something. After doing so I thought to myself...

Huh?? :confused:

Not only are you out of left feild - you came out of the stands and ran into left field first. What are you talking about? We've been talking up Von as Defensive Rookie of the Year. I haven't seen any bashing of anyone else on the Broncos or anywhere else in the NFL.

Care to explain what the heck you are talking about? Cause I'm sure I'm not the only one lost here...

 
I'm understanding he injured it in game @ SD, which means he made that 4 yard tackle for a loss (which pushed SD back for their FG attempt in OT) with his thumb heavily taped.

Obviously he can play with decreased mobility in the thumb, it's a matter of the incision staying closed, imo.

 
Stories of the Season: Miller Much More Than the ROY

December 1st, 2011 | Author: Sam Monson

It’s time to start thinking of Von Miller in a new light. The Broncos rookie is running away with our rookie of the year poll, but that doesn’t come close to doing him justice. Miller has been arguably the biggest reason behind the defensive resurgence in Denver, and he really should have the rookie awards locked up; his play dominates that of any other defensive rookie, so let’s look beyond to a farther horizon.

It’s time we forgot talk of best rookie and started to think in terms of Pro-Bowl, All-Pro, maybe even Defensive Player of the Year. It sounds crazy, but there may not be a better candidate than Miller right now

Every-down Talent

Most people think of him as just an edge rusher, but in Denver’s defense Miller is an every down player, and essentially plays two positions. In a way similar to Kamerion Wimbley for the Raiders, on early downs he’s a stand-up 4-3 outside linebacker, albeit often over-shifted to one side of the formation, but then on pass-rushing downs he rushes from his side of usually a four-man pass-rush. The difference between Miller and Wimbley in their deployment is that while Wimbley rushes almost exclusively as a conventional 4-3 defensive end with his hand in the ground, Miller will rush from a two-point stance and has only lined up as a 4-3 end on 112 of his 700 snaps. You know he’s coming, but you don’t always know when, he can just as easily drop into coverage from that stance.

Needless to say, Miller is sitting at the top of our 4-3 outside linebacker grades at the moment, and by some staggering margin. His +51.3 grade is some distance from his nearest challenger (Wimbley at +34.1) and more than double the next placed player (Daryl Smith of the Jaguars). The interesting thing, though, comes when you take away his pass-rushing and just look at the rest of his game. Focusing only on his play as a run defender and in coverage, he is still having an All-Pro caliber season. Baltimore’s Jarrett Johnson has been our top-graded 4-3 OLB against the run for the past two seasons, and has never been outside of the Top 3 in that regard since we’ve been grading. Miller is currently as far ahead of Johnson as Johnson is from the rest of the field in run defense. He has stepped in as a rookie and is performing better than the standard set at the position for the past three seasons.

Able to use his quickness and strength to set the edge and torpedo through traffic on runs coming in his direction, even when he isn’t making the play he is often disrupting it beyond repair for somebody else to finish it off. Miller is also the only linebacker in the league with more than 25 tackles that has yet to miss one. He trails only four other 4-3 outside linebackers in defensive stops (tackles which constitute an offensive failure), with 36, despite having far fewer tackling opportunities than most other linebackers that play in a more conventional alignment away from the line of scrimmage.

If all he did was play 4-3 outside linebacker we would be talking about him in terms of the Pro Bowl and All-Pro, he’s that good at disrupting plays and making things happen, but Miller adds an extra dimension that most don’t. When some linebackers are dropped to the bench or forced into uncomfortable roles in coverage against quicker receivers, Miller drops down to a pass-rushing role, and here is what thrusts him into Defensive Player of the Year talk.

Varied Attack Getting Stronger

Only two players (Miami’s Cameron Wake and Chris Long from the Rams) have totaled more combined pressures (sacks, hits and hurries) than Miller, and both have done so with more attempts at rushing the passer. When looking at our recent Pass Rushing Productivity article, we see that only one player, Cincinnati’s Carlos Dunlap, can top Miller’s effectiveness as a pass-rushing force, and Dunlap remains something of a situational player in Cincinnati, with 100 fewer pass-rushes than Miller and almost 400 fewer snaps. He is rushing the passer more efficiently than almost anybody in the league, and the one player who can top him is being deliberately spelled in order to ensure he remains fresh when he rushes. Miller is matching that level of performance despite playing a role as a conventional linebacker in coverage and run support for the rest of the game.

The scary part is that when most rookies are running into the metaphorical wall, Miller seems to be getting stronger. His past four games have been his strongest four, and at the moment he is proving to be an adversary that right tackles can’t contain. At 6’3 and 246lbs, he possesses an ability to dip and bend like few players that size. He is able to maintain such a low center of gravity that you could easily believe he was several inches shorter, but he also shows a range of pass rushing moves beyond most rookies.

Many rookies come into the league as athletic specimens, but relying heavily on one or two pass-rush moves with which they always look to succeed before developing more over the long-term. Looking through the sacks he has accumulated this season will show only two that have come without beating an offensive lineman, and he has recorded near instant sacks using outside moves, inside moves, bull rushes and stunts. Rarely do sacks tell the whole story, something we’re often at pains to point out at PFF, but if you drew up a highlight reel only of Miller’s sacks this season, you would see an accomplished and varied arsenal of pass-rushing moves already mastered.

As a pass-rusher Miller has yet to be shut out this season and in only two games (both in his first three weeks of the season, one of which involved just nine pass rushes) has he been unable to record multiple pressures.

Best in a Decade

The way in which the Broncos use Miller means that for all intents and purposes he plays two positions for them, depending on the down and distance. What is truly remarkable is that, despite being a rookie, he is arguably the best player in the league right now at either spot. This might be the most dominant season from a rookie since Randy Moss defined the word ‘uncoverable’ in his first year with a chip on his shoulder in 1998. Often we get caught up in hype over substance, but Miller might be one case of the substance far outstripping the hype, and we may be witnessing the best rookie performance in more than a decade. Forget Rookie of the Year, through 12 weeks Von Miller is the Defensive Player of the Year.
 
Von Miller apparently had hand surgery today and may miss Sunday's game.

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Oh no! According to Thatguy, that should mean Denver should lose in a blowout this weekend. After all, Von is the MVP of that team. Without him, the Broncos would be going nowhere!

Did he even play the first 5 games?
What?? :confused:

I went back and scanned the thread to see if I missed something. After doing so I thought to myself...

Huh?? :confused:

Not only are you out of left feild - you came out of the stands and ran into left field first. What are you talking about? We've been talking up Von as Defensive Rookie of the Year. I haven't seen any bashing of anyone else on the Broncos or anywhere else in the NFL.

Care to explain what the heck you are talking about? Cause I'm sure I'm not the only one lost here...
Pretty sure he's just being a troll...Would be a big loss, though. Let's hope he can play through it.

 

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