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I think you mean Andrew Luck, unless you think RG3 is going first.
So Brees did nothing this year then? Also, MVP is most valuable player. Not most valuable guy sitting on the sidelines.
No way they'd go 2-14 like Indy did. But 4-12 would have been very possible. Cleveland went 4-12 and is that RG3 sweet spot.
I was just trying to be edgy
I can't help but wonder what we all would have done instead of write 63 pages of posts in the Tebow thread, had Orton remained the starter.
favreco would probably have a day or two of his life back!! i wouldn't be too far behind...
I will pretend I didn't read this.
I believe they would have been 1-15(with their only victory being that fluke against Cincinnati). People get confused by the garbage time stats Orton likes to stack up and they fail to actually watch him try to play QB and realize how his team got in a position to be throwing 50 times in a game, he is awful. He may look prettier than Tebow throwing it but my God, can the guy learn to read a defense at some point please? He is also one of the least clutch players I've ever seen. The one time he looked like he might step up and actually do something to help his team win a football game he literally drops the ball untouched and allows the other team to pick it up. I know that since we're in a fantasy football forum we should focus on his stats but he is the definition of "loser" in my book.'thriftyrocker said:
This place would be one boring board and for the record, no way do they make the playoffs with orton. The team is not good. They barely made it as it is and they had 2 of the flukiest wins in 2011 vs the Dolphins and Bears.'werdnoynek said:'Reepicheep said:I can't help but wonder what we all would have done instead of write 63 pages of posts in the Tebow thread, had Orton remained the starter.
So Orton being the KC quarterback when they beat Green Bay is utterly coincidental - indeed, they won in spite of his presence, making the victory even more substantial and significant?Guys, Denver played a lot of close games this year because their defense was decent and got better as the year went along. They would have won some of those close games later in the year with Orton instead of Tebow - the QB is not the only deciding factor in close games. Obviusly Tebow was an upgrade over Orton in terms of team performance, but I would submit he was not the SOLE factor in Denver's improvement post-bye.Bottom line - no Denver would not be playing this weekend with Orton at QB, but neither would they have finished 3-13 or 4-12.
This place amazes me sometimes. I think we need to dig up the old Cutler trade thread where halfway through that first season Denver fans were convinced they fleeced Chicago because they got the picks plus the better QB out of the deal.What Denver has really shown us this year is that how a QB "fits" into an offense is maybe the most important part of the equation. Denver's team is built on its defense. Don't turn it over, give your D a break from time to time and you'll have a chance to win most games. That's what Tebow did earlier in the year when he first took over and it's what he did against Pittsburgh. Orton's style of taking chances and throwing it 40+ times a game doesn't work when you put your defense in short yardage situations all the time.That doesn't mean Orton would've lost the rest of Denver's games if he was the starter. They likely would've gone 4-12 or 5-11 or so. Likewise, Tebow works in Denver but he wouldn't work on a team like Green Bay or New Orleans, teams with a below average D that require a ton of precision passing. Those teams don't make the playoffs with Tebow as the starter. It really is all about fit.
No No No!I hate this misinformation. It has been posted 3 times already in this thread. Denver's D is not good, they played against terrible offenses. Miami when they were unable to score 20, KC twice (who can't score), Caleb Hanie etc... etc... etc... Every time the play an NFL offense they let up 30-40 points. They might have went 7-9 with Orton but it would have been because of a cupcake schedule not some superpower defense. That defense finished 25th for a reason and almost last in the AFC which had a lot of subpar offenses.Hell even Pitt averaged less than 20 this year (and that's with a whole lot less injuries most of the year), so it's not like they suddenly played awesome in the first week of the playoffs.
lol, sorry, I meant how good enough they were against the opponents they faced. I don't think Tebow added THAT much more than Orton.
I don't think you realize how much Tebow being the QB motivated the defense. They were playing at a different level with Tebow in the game.
Wow. If that's what it took to motivate this defense, Fox needs to cut the entire unit and start fresh. Then resign.
He's got a whole arsenel of wacky statements like that winner.
I truly don't believe that Tebow motivated the defence per say. But winning is contagious and increases locker room morale. Anyone that has played sports competitively knows this.I don't think the defence played better for the simple fact that Tebow was the QB. I think the whole team played better once Tewbow was inserted and they started to win. He brought a different type of energy and hope to a team that was quite frankly playing bad football.
Kyle Orton went 2-1 as the starter for what was a bad KC team including a win over Tebow and the Broncos in what was essentially a must win game (didn't turn out that way b/c of Oakland losing) for Denver.I think Denver would have likely missed the playoffs if they stuck with Orton, because Tebow provided a spark to the whole team and allowed the coaching staff to introduce a unique style of attack which Tebow executed very well - but I don't think anyone should say that Orton would have lost all of the games that the Broncos ended up winning.
Flynn is a Packer. Are you new here?
Most defensive players think the QBs are pansies and pampered in this league. You touch a QB with your finger or look at him the wrong way, whistle!!! 15 yard flag. Tebow plays like a HB. He puts his shoulder down and runs over defenders. The Denver defenders love this! He is a tough guy and the defense can rally around him for that. I think this is the main reason why he motivates the defense. Because he is willing to lower his shoulder and play "real tough football" and not cry when a DT smashes him.
And those wins had very little to do with Orton. They scored 7 points against a "horrible" Denver defense. And the Packers defense is bad as well, and they managed, what, 16 points? KC's defense won those games.
They were already 1-4. They would have found a way to 2-3 more games somewhere along the way and got the 4-5 pick IMO.
while that's true, the real reason for the improved defensive play was a reduced number of turnovers. Outside of the Buffalo game, Tebow has done a great job of taking care of the ball, whereas Orton was leading the league in pics.Fewer turnovers = better field position for the D = less points surrendered.Most defensive players think the QBs are pansies and pampered in this league. You touch a QB with your finger or look at him the wrong way, whistle!!! 15 yard flag. Tebow plays like a HB. He puts his shoulder down and runs over defenders. The Denver defenders love this! He is a tough guy and the defense can rally around him for that. I think this is the main reason why he motivates the defense. Because he is willing to lower his shoulder and play "real tough football" and not cry when a DT smashes him.
