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It is incredible. If you average out the 3 Florida schools over the course of all 3 time frames they score a 5. That is ridiculous.I've always said that you could make a conference entirely out of Florida schools... and it'd probably be deserving of an auto-bid. Especially if you threw in some of the out-of-state schools that primarily recruited in Florida (Louisville, I'm looking at you).
I've always said that you could make a conference entirely out of Florida schools... and it'd probably be deserving of an auto-bid. Especially if you threw in some of the out-of-state schools that primarily recruited in Florida (Louisville, I'm looking at you).If you could prevent the recruits from leaving the state, they'd be as dominant as the SEC is now. I was looking at Derrick Henry's scout profile and noticed that he was the #9 recruit in the nation, and #6 in the state. Think about that...
If these matchups took place during the regular season, they would have a better record.
I've always said that you could make a conference entirely out of Florida schools... and it'd probably be deserving of an auto-bid. Especially if you threw in some of the out-of-state schools that primarily recruited in Florida (Louisville, I'm looking at you).If you could prevent the recruits from leaving the state, they'd be as dominant as the SEC is now. I was looking at Derrick Henry's scout profile and noticed that he was the #9 recruit in the nation, and #6 in the state. Think about that...I don't know about "as dominant as the SEC is now", but I could get on board with "as (or more) dominant as the SEC would be if you removed all players from the state of Florida".
Although I think the SEC is the best football conference, counting bowl appearances/wins, BCS appearances/wins, and BCS title appearances/wins is a TERRIBLE way to evaluate conference strength because of the subjectivity of the process. Not only is there the fact that SEC teams get into more bowl games/BCS games due to the perception that it's the best conference and the fact that the fans travel well, these numbers also don't account for the size of the conference. It's also a small sample size ... unless you think that the Big East is basically tied for first with the SEC as best football conference?A far better measure of conference strength would be head to head records in inter-conference games between teams from the BCS auto qualifying conferences (not just OOC games, because you gotta eliminate the cupcakes). You could include both bowl results and regular season results. Are there such numbers?
Although I think the SEC is the best football conference, counting bowl appearances/wins, BCS appearances/wins, and BCS title appearances/wins is a TERRIBLE way to evaluate conference strength because of the subjectivity of the process. Not only is there the fact that SEC teams get into more bowl games/BCS games due to the perception that it's the best conference and the fact that the fans travel well, these numbers also don't account for the size of the conference. It's also a small sample size ... unless you think that the Big East is basically tied for first with the SEC as best football conference?A far better measure of conference strength would be head to head records in inter-conference games between teams from the BCS auto qualifying conferences (not just OOC games, because you gotta eliminate the cupcakes). You could include both bowl results and regular season results. Are there such numbers?
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Yes Delaware is a Super Bowl QB producing machine with Flacco & Gannon. Grossman was an ok SEC representative.I know this has already been stated - But what kind of representative was Eli Manning (Ole Miss) or Peyton Manning (University of Tennessee). If we are talking history, how about Bart Starr (Alabama), Joe Namath (Alabama), Ken Stabler (Alabama).Overall players in the the NFL today? By my count 281 players out of 1696 players. That is roughly 16.5% of the NFL. Or 1 out of every 6 players.
Pac 12 or whatever.RodgersBushLynchSteve Smith?Tony GonzalezBIGBrees/Brady/Wilson (can we have a 2 QB league...cause the BIG will get killed at RB and WR)Shonn GreeneBrian HartlineGetting ugly...
How is it bias to point out how great the SEC is? 7 straight BCS titles from 4 different schools. 9 total from 5 different schools. 4 more schools have made a BCS bowl. All 12 have made multiple bowl games. The conference as a whole has the record for most BCS bowl appearances and most total bowl appearances. It also has the best record in BCS bowls and in all bowls, proving they were worthy participants and not hype selections. Half of the top 10 teams in the country came from the SEC this year. Oklahoma fans whined about missing a BCS bowl this year, but the SEC had no less than 4 schools ranked higher who didn't get to play in a BCS bowl. FOUR (including the team that ran Oklahoma off the field). Prior to the SEC, no conference had captured 3 straight titles since the '50s... and the SEC has run it to 7 and counting. No conference in history had won 3 straight titles by 3 different teams, and the SEC actually got it to 4 straight (a third of the conference!). This is not bias. This is not hyperbole. This is a recognition of how truly unprecedented and, frankly, awe-inspiring the recent SEC run has been. Now, it's not like no one else plays good football. Teams like Texas, tOSU, (other)USC, Oregon, and Oklahoma are every bit as good as the elite teams in the SEC. The problem is that nowhere else has so many good teams concentrated in one place. When Texas or Oklahoma has a bad year, the Big 12(/10) is down. When USC falls apart, the Pac-12 is shallow. When tOSU gets put on probation, the Big-10/11/12 is atrocious. When Miami and Florida State hit a slump at the same time, the ACC is a punch line (seriously, one of their championship game participants petitioned the NCAA for the right to play in a bowl game despite having a losing record). Meanwhile, the SEC is so deep that when teams fall off (as all teams do, because success is cyclical), no one notices. Seriously, Tennessee has been terrible for years. That used to be one of the flagship programs, the Texas or Oklahoma of the SEC, and they've been a complete afterthought for nearly a decade, and no one notices. When Florida is down, USC steps up. When Alabama struggles, LSU carries the West. Occasionally, one of the doormats steps up and makes things interesting, like Vandy has done in making three straight bowls. It's not that the great teams in the SEC are so much better than the great teams in the other conferences, it's that they're just so much more numerous. As evidenced by the fact that Alabama, the best team in the league, is something like 6th in the conference in terms of alumni playing in the NFL.Again, this isn't hype or bias. This is truth, supported by a whole range of facts, from bowl appearances and bowl victories, to BCS appearances and BCS victories, to the championships (9-1 in championship games, with the only loss coming at the hands of another SEC school), to the draft, to NFL rosters. The SEC tops every list. Maybe not by as much as some would have you believe, but by enough to make it clear that the SEC deserves the praise it receives. No single conference has ever dominated the landscape of college football like the SEC has over the last decade.You're saying they can't be biased towards the SEC, protecting their UNGODLY amount of money spent, because the SEC is good? Everyone they're biased towards is good. It has nothing to do with them not being worthy of praise. Like last year with the NC being a re-match of Bama/LSU. Any other year, ESPN would be on the "bash the BCS" train, because controversy sells and they're a controversy station first and an actual sports station second. That year, almost every Bristol employee lauded the great match-up.
So you're saying they're biased towards calling a good football conference a good football conference? That... doesn't seem like bias to me.
So you're saying they're biased towards calling a good football conference a good football conference? That... doesn't seem like bias to me.You seem like a smart enough guy, I don't see why you're being difficult. ESPN never shies away from controversy in the BCS, or in general. It's more of a building block of the new era of ESPN than any individual sport is. But they do one year for a re-match of a bad game, which resulted in an absolutely unwatchable game. Coincidentally the game is in their station and they just had bought the rights to the conference for ridiculous money. That screams bias, and it has nothing to do with how good the SEC is.And it's GOOD business sense to. I don't blame them there. But yes, it IS bias.
Pac 12 or whatever.RodgersBushLynchSteve Smith?Tony GonzalezBIGBrees/Brady/Wilson (can we have a 2 QB league...cause the BIG will get killed at RB and WR)Shonn GreeneBrian HartlineGetting ugly...Jahvid Be.... nevermind :(
ACC probably wins this league, although they're a little weak at RB:Matt RyanCJ SpillerFrank GoreCalvin JohnsonAndre JohnsonDemaryious Thomas/Reggie WayneJimmy GrahamWouldn't surprise me if the SEC was actually third or fourth. Definitely behind the Big 12, right?
ACC probably wins this league, although they're a little weak at RB:Matt RyanCJ SpillerFrank GoreCalvin JohnsonAndre JohnsonDemaryious Thomas/Reggie WayneJimmy GrahamWouldn't surprise me if the SEC was actually third or fourth. Definitely behind the Big 12, right?Yeah...after i did the Pac...I started thinking of the WR corps of that ACC squad.Also forgot Gronk with my Pac squad that helps out.But Gore/Spiller is not bad.The BIG gets a better squad after expansion by being able to add Ray Rice.
Big 12.RGIIIPetersonCharlesJordy NelsonDez BryantMichael CrabtreeGresham/Finley
Yeah...after i did the Pac...I started thinking of the WR corps of that ACC squad.Also forgot Gronk with my Pac squad that helps out.But Gore/Spiller is not bad.The BIG gets a better squad after expansion by being able to add Ray Rice.
Big 12.RGIIIPetersonCharlesJordy NelsonDez BryantMichael CrabtreeGresham/FinleyI'd take Welker over Nelson or Crabtree, but yeah, killer squad. SEC-Manning/Newton QBBCFosterRichardsonHarvinGreenJulioWitten/HernandezI think the SEC's WRs might match the ACCs, to be honest, and I'd prefer SECQB/Foster/Richardson to Ryan/Spiller/Gore. I think the ACC squad would be third behind the SEC and the Big12/10, provided Griffin is healthy (if he's not, and they're forced to go to Dalton/Bradford, all bets are off). PPR would move the ACC to 2nd. From a redraft perspective, it's close, but I'd prefer the SEC squad because of the questions at QB for the Big12/10. Peterson is obviously a huge advantage, but Foster mitigates him, Richardson and Charles are close, and the SEC has a big advantage at WR/TE. From a dynasty perspective, there's no question at all that I want the SEC squad. Outside of Arian Foster, every core player is 23 or 24. Handcuff Foster with Tate, add McFadden, Ingram, and Lacy for depth, and that team is set for a decade.Yeah...after i did the Pac...I started thinking of the WR corps of that ACC squad.Also forgot Gronk with my Pac squad that helps out.But Gore/Spiller is not bad.The BIG gets a better squad after expansion by being able to add Ray Rice.
Big 12.RGIIIPetersonCharlesJordy NelsonDez BryantMichael CrabtreeGresham/FinleyI'd take Welker over Nelson or Crabtree, but yeah, killer squad. SEC-Manning/Newton QBBCFosterRichardsonHarvinGreenJulioWitten/HernandezI think the SEC's WRs might match the ACCs, to be honest, and I'd prefer SECQB/Foster/Richardson to Ryan/Spiller/Gore. I think the ACC squad would be third behind the SEC and the Big12/10, provided Griffin is healthy (if he's not, and they're forced to go to Dalton/Bradford, all bets are off). PPR would move the ACC to 2nd. From a redraft perspective, it's close, but I'd prefer the SEC squad because of the questions at QB for the Big12/10. Peterson is obviously a huge advantage, but Foster mitigates him, Richardson and Charles are close, and the SEC has a big advantage at WR/TE. From a dynasty perspective, there's no question at all that I want the SEC squad. Outside of Arian Foster, every core player is 23 or 24. Handcuff Foster with Tate, add McFadden, Ingram, and Lacy for depth, and that team is set for a decade.This might actually be interesting to do. Run a rotisserie style league where you pick a starting lineup every week out of conference alums.
I'd take Welker over Nelson or Crabtree, but yeah, killer squad. SEC-Manning/Newton QBBCFosterRichardsonHarvinGreenJulioWitten/HernandezI think the SEC's WRs might match the ACCs, to be honest, and I'd prefer SECQB/Foster/Richardson to Ryan/Spiller/Gore. I think the ACC squad would be third behind the SEC and the Big12/10, provided Griffin is healthy (if he's not, and they're forced to go to Dalton/Bradford, all bets are off). PPR would move the ACC to 2nd. From a redraft perspective, it's close, but I'd prefer the SEC squad because of the questions at QB for the Big12/10. Peterson is obviously a huge advantage, but Foster mitigates him, Richardson and Charles are close, and the SEC has a big advantage at WR/TE. From a dynasty perspective, there's no question at all that I want the SEC squad. Outside of Arian Foster, every core player is 23 or 24. Handcuff Foster with Tate, add McFadden, Ingram, and Lacy for depth, and that team is set for a decade.This might actually be interesting to do. Run a rotisserie style league where you pick a starting lineup every week out of conference alums.Or hold a 4-team auction where you bid on conferences instead of players. Do you go all-in to snag the SEC, or would you rather save your money so you can pair the Big 10 and PAC 12? If you have weaknesses, you can shore them up with small conferences- bidding on the MAC nets you Romo and Roethlisberger, as well as Gates and Cribbs. You'd almost have to make it an IDP league. I'd imagine it'd be rather labor-intensive, too- you'd need almost an encyclopedic knowledge of players and alma maters so you could assess and address your roster shortcomings. You could snag steals on players like Vincent Jackson if the other guys don't realize he hails from the Big Sky conference, and you could throw out useless conferences just to see if you can get anyone else to bid them up.Yeah...after i did the Pac...I started thinking of the WR corps of that ACC squad.Also forgot Gronk with my Pac squad that helps out.But Gore/Spiller is not bad.The BIG gets a better squad after expansion by being able to add Ray Rice.
ACC probably wins this league, although they're a little weak at RB:Matt RyanCJ SpillerFrank GoreCalvin JohnsonAndre JohnsonDemaryious Thomas/Reggie WayneJimmy GrahamWouldn't surprise me if the SEC was actually third or fourth. Definitely behind the Big 12, right?David Wilson and Hakeem Nicks come to mind. Can we claim Russell Wilson at QB too since he played all but one year in the ACC?'TobiasFunke said:
David Wilson and Hakeem Nicks come to mind. Can we claim Russell Wilson at QB too since he played all but one year in the ACC?Certainly would help, because I don't think Philip Rivers is gonna be too helpful as the backup from here on out.
David Wilson and Hakeem Nicks come to mind. Can we claim Russell Wilson at QB too since he played all but one year in the ACC?Certainly would help, because I don't think Philip Rivers is gonna be too helpful as the backup from here on out.ACC gets Lesean McCoy and Larry Fitzgerald effective this July.
Certainly would help, because I don't think Philip Rivers is gonna be too helpful as the backup from here on out.ACC gets Lesean McCoy and Larry Fitzgerald effective this July.
You can argue that McCoy could/would be ACC because he had originally committed to Miami. ;-)
Ridiculous enough that you keep trying with this ignorant argument?
Ridiculous enough that you keep trying with this ignorant argument?Someone has to educate.
You realize there's like a 20 year lag between a player playing in college and that player making the HoF, right? I don't think any SEC proponents are arguing that the SEC was the greatest conference the nation had ever seen 20+ years ago, so I don't see how this is relevant. You might as well compare pre-1950 national championships by conference (spoilers: "Independent" is the greatest conference evar!!!!1!) and use that as a knock against people pointing out that the SEC is by far the most dominant conference of the BCS era.
You realize there's like a 20 year lag between a player playing in college and that player making the HoF, right? I don't think any SEC proponents are arguing that the SEC was the greatest conference the nation had ever seen 20+ years ago, so I don't see how this is relevant. You might as well compare pre-1950 national championships by conference (spoilers: "Independent" is the greatest conference evar!!!!1!) and use that as a knock against people pointing out that the SEC is by far the most dominant conference of the BCS era.Maybe the Deer Antler Spray is the reason?
Eh, I like arguing, I like being right, and I like pointing out how dominant the SEC has been, so fishing or not, this thread hits the trifecta for me.
Someone has to educate.
Plenty have been educating you on this topic.Now step aside...the conversation got much better when we started talking fantasy rosters.
Eh, I like arguing, I like being right, and I like pointing out how dominant the SEC has been, so fishing or not, this thread hits the trifecta for me.lolz
Recruiting rankings are based on who offers a kid. Which makes sense because there is no way Luginbill, Rivals, Scout or anyone else can evaluate thousands of kids and come up with accurate rankings at all.
Recruiting rankings are based on who offers a kid. Which makes sense because there is no way Luginbill, Rivals, Scout or anyone else can evaluate thousands of kids and come up with accurate rankings at all.And there are obvious holes in those recruiting rankings.Especially when talking about evaluating where the NFL talent came from.Ask guys like Aaron Rodgers who was not really recruited by any D1 schools.
Yup. Ever since the first Florida BCS game, athletes from Florida have put distance between themselves and the rest of the pack, including Texas.
Yup. Ever since the first Florida BCS game, athletes from Florida have put distance between themselves and the rest of the pack, including Texas.Burt Reynolds (FSU) was a trendsetter.
I vaguely remember an SI piece on this trend a few years back, which was pretty interesting. IIRC, the story struggled to determine the bottom line reason for it being so. It would also be interesting to discuss why Louisiana is typically the per capita best producer of NFL talent. I have no idea and would enjoy hearing some theories.
Recruiting rankings are based on who offers a kid. Which makes sense because there is no way Luginbill, Rivals, Scout or anyone else can evaluate thousands of kids and come up with accurate rankings at all.Yup. Same thing in college basketball, where getting recruited by Kentucky or Duke automatically adds a star to your ranking.
Burt Reynolds (FSU) was a trendsetter.Don't forget The Rock.
I vaguely remember an SI piece on this trend a few years back, which was pretty interesting. IIRC, the story struggled to determine the bottom line reason for it being so. It would also be interesting to discuss why Louisiana is typically the per capita best producer of NFL talent. I have no idea and would enjoy hearing some theories.My theory: alligators. I don't know if it's a function of proxyimity of them, or if you actually have to eat them to get their magical powers, but it seems like there's a huge correlation between the presence of alligators and the quality of recruits. And, as the old saying goes, correlation is the same thing as causation.It also explains why, even within Florida, south Florida is an even bigger recruiting hotbed than north Florida. It's got proximity to the Everglades, and as everyone knows, the Everglades is chock full of alligators.
2008 Alabama signees:Mark BarronMark IngramJulio JonesBarrett JonesTerrence CodyMarcel DareusDon'ta HightowerCourtney UpshawSEC recruits in the most fertile recruiting ground with the most talent (Southeast). ACC can pluck some players too as a lot of the schools are also in the Southeast.
Yup because the draft is the best to worst player right? So Brady is only a 6th rounder, Rodgers isn't even the best QB of his class, Foster shouldn't even be on a team.Your post is what is flawed. He is going for the NFL not rookie class.Interesting breakdown but not full list:http://247sports.com/Board/30/NFL-Starters-By-Conference-Position-12567725/1Also broken out from 2008 so little outdated:http://www.aolnews.com/2008/07/07/nfl-starters-by-college-conference-now-with-division/
I'd take Cobb over Harvin right now.
Yup because the draft is the best to worst player right? So Brady is only a 6th rounder, Rodgers isn't even the best QB of his class, Foster shouldn't even be on a team.Your post is what is flawed. He is going for the NFL not rookie class.Interesting breakdown but not full list:http://247sports.com/Board/30/NFL-Starters-By-Conference-Position-12567725/1Also broken out from 2008 so little outdated:http://www.aolnews.com/2008/07/07/nfl-starters-by-college-conference-now-with-division/What are you talking about? I nor anyone else said the draft is a clear indicator of success. Looking at the draft is an easy way to see the players listed in a format that you can see their college team and thus conference. That is the point of looking at it.This premis is flawed and has been successfully owned several times in this thread.I have no idea what those links are supposed to show. One is from 2008 and the other I can't tell what year it is. Regardless, showing starters means nothing to the original post. He was talking about stars, not just starters.
What are you talking about? I nor anyone else said the draft is a clear indicator of success. Looking at the draft is an easy way to see the players listed in a format that you can see their college team and thus conference. That is the point of looking at it.This premis is flawed and has been successfully owned several times in this thread.
