Which of these issues was the worst crime committed by Trump after losing the election (1 Viewer)

[domvin]

The stock market is up almost 20% since Biden took office

How far did it go down during the transition?    And a or of variables in play, how far it dropped, easier climb back, Covid, etc...

It's like issuing a press release Domvin incorporated doubled our sales last year, by going from 1 widget to 2

 

[Godsbrother]

The stock market is up almost 20% since Biden took office

GDP growth seems pretty good too.

"Considering full 2021, the economy advanced 5.7%, the most since 1984."       source: U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis

 

[dawgtrails]

How far did it go down during the transition?    And a or of variables in play, how far it dropped, easier climb back, Covid, etc...

What do you mean how far did it go down during transition?

 

[Stealthycat]

Thank You.

From the Seditious Conspiracy Indictment agains 11 Oath Keepers.

4. RHODES and certain co-conspirators, to include selected regional leaders, planned to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power by January 20, 2021, which included multiple ways to deploy force. They coordinated travel across the country to enter Washington, D.C., equipped themselves with a variety of weapons, donned combat and tactical gear, and were prepared to answer RHODES'S call to take up arms at RHODES'S direction. Some co-conspirators also amassed firearms on the outskirts of Washington, D.C., distributed them among "quick reaction force" ("QRF") teams, and planned to use the firearms in support of their plot to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power.

if the accusations are proven true then pursue that - but that wasn't Trump doing those things, right ?

 

[Stealthycat]

GDP growth seems pretty good too.

"Considering full 2021, the economy advanced 5.7%, the most since 1984."       source: U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis

inflation impacts those numbers, right ?

 

[greenmountaingoat]

There were aspects of them that were both bad.  But one side is hyperventilating over one event and excusing the other.  I am on the team equality under the law and that both should be treated equally.  Instead we have one were every possible person is being hunted down in the biggest investigation in history and the others there were only a small percentage captured then immediately released.  

I'll grant you I was not outraged as much as I probably should have been about the riots. I was definitely less vested in a sense of an outcry for justice for the damage done because I was vaguely supportive of what I perceived as a just cause, and it was all from a pretty big distance for me. I never supported the riots but they didn't effect me so it was more-or less a situation I was not really processing or paying that much attention to as I probably should have.

Jon wants a new national past time every 4th January or what? Probably not. You're a smart guy, defend my vote too, brother.

 

[quick-hands]

The stock market is up almost 20% since Biden took office

That's because the fed is dumping 1.5 trillion a month into banks 

 

[domvin]

That's because the fed is dumping 1.5 trillion a month into banks 

Thanks quick

I was referring to what point the 20% rose from?

15% of 500 is higher than 20% of 300

I don't know what the reference point is.

I do know I'd like to retire in 2034 to 2039, but there will most likely be no social security money, bc we keep giving it away.

And why are we bringing in immigrants into NYC in the middle of the night?

Biden had a socialist agenda, was not fit mentally for office, and he still got elected into office.   That's terrifying

 

[Zow]

Is this supposed to be a dementia Joe impression? lol.

He's making fun of your poor grammar. You used an apostrophe which denotes the singular possessive. 

 

[dawgtrails]

I was referring to what point the 20% rose from?

15% of 500 is higher than 20% of 300

I don't know what the reference point is.

You want your investments to grow at a higher percent regardless of your starting point.

 

[shadrap]

GDP growth seems pretty good too.

"Considering full 2021, the economy advanced 5.7%, the most since 1984."       source: U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis

this explains it pretty well if interested.  not impressive consider the relevant factors to get to those numbers.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/biden-credit-economic-recovery-realistic-numbers-andy-puzder

 

[The General]

All I know is the economy was humming, my investments were on an upward plane.

The stock market is up almost 20% since Biden took office

Stock market has been on a heater since 2009.

Thanks Obama!

 

[The General]

this explains it pretty well if interested.  not impressive consider the relevant factors to get to those numbers.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/biden-credit-economic-recovery-realistic-numbers-andy-puzder

These charts show a couple years before the pandemic to currently.

Many things are trending well, some are not: Charts

 

[JIslander]

There were a number of folks that he was pushing out

He cleaned it up so well 11 associates of his were indicted.  Drained the swamp he did!

 

[Godsbrother]

this explains it pretty well if interested.  not impressive consider the relevant factors to get to those numbers.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/biden-credit-economic-recovery-realistic-numbers-andy-puzder

I've been around FBGs for more than 20 years and the one thing that never changes is that when people that support the current president post a good economic indicator you can guarantee the people that don't support him will downplay the numbers. 

That is usually followed by comments from the president's supporters that people minimizing the good news are rooting for the economy to tank so they can regain the white house.

It doesn't matter which party is which --  I've seen it both ways since the day I joined FBGs and ventured into the political threads in the FFA.

 

[cosjobs]

There were a few posters on here that openly admitted they were okay with it because election tampering versus a Dem president is the lesser of two evils. 

But that's not democracy

 

[cosjobs]

What do you mean how far did it go down during transition?

You know, that post-election period where the loser tried to screw democracy and the will of the voters.

 

[cosjobs]

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I do know I'd like to retire in 2034 to 2039, but there will most likely be no social security money, bc we keep giving it away.

So you only want them to give it away to you when you retire?

 

[jon_mx]

The stock market is up almost 20% since Biden took office

It is down nearly 10% since the start of the year.  Looks like the correction is continuing.  It could just  be the 10%, but more likely a 20-40% move.  I am not sure I would be hanging my hat on the stock market performance.  Stock markets are influenced by many many things, and very few of them have anythung to do with what a President does.  

 

[jon_mx]

I've been around FBGs for more than 20 years and the one thing that never changes is that when people that support the current president post a good economic indicator you can guarantee the people that don't support him will downplay the numbers. 

That is usually followed by comments from the president's supporters that people minimizing the good news are rooting for the economy to tank so they can regain the white house.

It doesn't matter which party is which --  I've seen it both ways since the day I joined FBGs and ventured into the political threads in the FFA.

I downplay numbers no matter what they are and who the president is.  The idea that the president actions have any significant impact on the market are silly.  Sure the markets react to any news, but those moves are usually small blips that mean nothing to the longer term market. 

 

[joffer]

There were a number of folks that he was pushing out

Yes, qualified people.  replaced by his kids.

 

[Ruffrodys05]

There were a number of folks that he was pushing out

Do you mean the ones who wouldn't loyally lick his boots? Or, do you mean the ones he brought in to his administration and then had to let go for a myriad of reasons? The draining of the swamp he created? Or, the ones that were part of his campaign that got in trouble, sent to prison and then he pardoned? Or, all of them?

Other than those pardoned, the ones that got canned, well, he hardly knew any of them. Yeah, great job draining that swamp.

 

[shadrap]

I've been around FBGs for more than 20 years and the one thing that never changes is that when people that support the current president post a good economic indicator you can guarantee the people that don't support him will downplay the numbers. 

That is usually followed by comments from the president's supporters that people minimizing the good news are rooting for the economy to tank so they can regain the white house.

It doesn't matter which party is which --  I've seen it both ways since the day I joined FBGs and ventured into the political threads in the FFA.

Oh I completely agree.  just that the article made a lot of sense especially regarding the record 1 year GDP.

It’s good to remember GDP is a year-over-year number. In other words, it’s easier to have a high percentage increase in the current year if you’re rolling over a large decrease in the prior year. In 2020, red and blue state governors shut down their states’ economies to slow the pandemic’s spread.   

With our economy shut down, GDP understandably declined by a significant 3.4%, the largest drop since at least 1948. So, with the bar set at an historic low of -3.4% in 2020, GDP naturally rebounded in 2021. No surprise here. 

 

[GoBirds]

vote as you see fit

Can’t vote until you link proof he was convicted in a court of law of all these crimes, otherwise it’s just more of the everyday misinformation you and others spread. Otherwise enjoy your misinformation rally. 

 

[lazyike]

Can’t vote until you link proof he was convicted in a court of law of all these crimes, otherwise it’s just more of the everyday misinformation you and others spread. Otherwise enjoy your misinformation rally. 

And you would of had the same standards with Benghazi investigation, the FBI looking into Hillary’s personal email (no I didn’t vote for Hillary) or Hunter Biden’s laptop etc? Or did you tell everyone talking about these topics “ enjoy your misinformation rallies?

 

[domvin]

So you only want them to give it away to you when you retire?

Social security is gonna dry up soon

Your money, my money.....all part of bailouts

 

[domvin]

Yes, qualified people.  replaced by his kids.

It's politics.   Never said he was the best, in fact I said best of the worst.   At least he remembered firing these people

 

[cosjobs]

Social security is gonna dry up soon

Your money, my money.....all part of bailouts

Social Security is the mother of all bailouts.

Unless you're having lots of kids or encouraging immigration, you are correct. There won't be enough money coming in to pay the retirees.

 

[joffer]

It's politics.   Never said he was the best, in fact I said best of the worst.   At least he remembered firing these people

putting unqualified people in positions of power isn’t “politics”, it’s incompetence.  not going to entertain the ridiculous dementia talking point.

 

[AAABatteries]

I voted none, bc politics is a dirty business.   For me, Trump was the best of the worst

Absolutely not perfect, and sometimes a bumbling fool, but he was cleaning up Washington.

And he didn't take any crap, and people didn't like it, so they got offended, and all the networks ganged up on him....except fox

And sure, maybe there were some lobbyists inside of Trump, but not as much as other Presidents

All I know is the economy was humming, my investments were on an upward plane.   And Trump was restoring America to a better place

And those of you that voted Biden, you signed our country's death warrant.    Look....Trump was never gonna be perfect and he lacked tact, but as I said above....between he and the Biden regime, he was the best of the worst

I look forward to retiring outside of the USA.    This communist country doesn't deserve a dime from me.   It's gotten enough

If I really thought I was living in a Communist country I would leave immediately.  I’m surprised you are willing to stick around.

 

[GoBirds]

And you would of had the same standards with Benghazi investigation, the FBI looking into Hillary’s personal email (no I didn’t vote for Hillary) or Hunter Biden’s laptop etc? Or did you tell everyone talking about these topics “ enjoy your misinformation rallies?

It’s ok,  no one expected you could support the outlandish claims. Just more red meat/misinformation spread by the far Left in here. 

 

[lazyike]

It’s ok,  no one expected you could support the outlandish claims. Just more red meat/misinformation spread by the far Left in here. 

Actually I supported the first Benghazi hearing or so. I was just looking for some consistency from you instead of you showing your partisan hypocrisy but I shouldn’t have cause I already knew the answer.

 

[domvin]

putting unqualified people in positions of power isn’t “politics”, it’s incompetence.  not going to entertain the ridiculous dementia talking point.

You could try to entertain it, but it's a losing prop

The other thing, is I'd rather have a trump cronie or kid office than Hunter Biden

You?

 

[domvin]

If I really thought I was living in a Communist country I would leave immediately.  I’m surprised you are willing to stick around.

You're right about that since we know each other so well

 

[TripItUp]

I'm surprised this thread is allowed.  It's pretty obvious several of these are not "crimes".

At a minimum the title should be changed to "accused of" or something like that.

 

[The General]

I'm surprised this thread is allowed.  It's pretty obvious several of these are not "crimes".

At a minimum the title should be changed to "accused of" or something like that.

Which one do you think was the worst?

 

[Alex P Keaton]

It's amazing how little fear Republicans have of Dems' willingness to use the same tactics against them. In the rare case when they do, like NY Democrats gerrymandering the crap out of the state in a manner equivalent to what Republicans have done in several other states, we see calls for them to stand down unilaterally.

I can't wait to see the defense in here when the Wisconsin legislature decides to toss results from Milwaukee County if the Senate vote goes badly for Russia Ron Johnson. 

This inability to connect dots you’ve called out…..is why the Founding Fathers feared the populist masses.

 

[joffer]

You could try to entertain it, but it's a losing prop

The other thing, is I'd rather have a trump cronie or kid office than Hunter Biden

You?

good grief

 

[FairWarning]

putting unqualified people in positions of power isn’t “politics”, it’s incompetence.  not going to entertain the ridiculous dementia talking point.

But hey, he checked a lot of boxes.  

 

[Godsbrother]

I downplay numbers no matter what they are and who the president is.  The idea that the president actions have any significant impact on the market are silly.  Sure the markets react to any news, but those moves are usually small blips that mean nothing to the longer term market. 

I agree and that puts you and I in the minority.

Pretty much everyone I know that voted for the previous president lists the economy and performance of the stock market as their #1 reason for voting for him,

 

[FairWarning]

I agree and that puts you and I in the minority.

Pretty much everyone I know that voted for the previous president lists the economy and performance of the stock market as their #1 reason for voting for him,

The president does have some control as he appoints the staff.  Also we can’t file all of Congress, so we fire the president instead.

 

[GoBirds]

Actually I supported the first Benghazi hearing or so. I was just looking for some consistency from you instead of you showing your partisan hypocrisy but I shouldn’t have cause I already knew the answer.

Actually you proved nothing, as expected. It’s a shame Joe makes the effort to improve the place with good threads like the Rogan one…..then you all provide more of this weak Trump whining. I feel bad about that but also the amount of headspace Trump continues to own. Unbelievable. 

 

[GoBirds]

I'm surprised this thread is allowed.  It's pretty obvious several of these are not "crimes".

At a minimum the title should be changed to "accused of" or something like that.

It’s shows the validity of the moderation concerns regarding fairness you hear and also  it shows the sad state of those obsessed with the Donald. Maybe it’s their way of coping with electing a far worse POTUS after years of whining about Don?

 

[Godsbrother]

I look forward to retiring outside of the USA.    This communist country doesn't deserve a dime from me.   It's gotten enough

Just curious:  where are you planng to go?

 

[The General]

The pitchfork and torches crowd is quite strong in here.  It is easy to see the human nature of people why evil dictators can easily stir up anger and commit atrocities.  J6 is easily the most overblown event in our nation's history.  I have a hard time believing intelligent people are so consumed by it.  

You probably voted for the convo with the GA SoS then or maybe the fake electors. 

 

[domvin]

Just curious:  where are you planng to go?

Canada or Italy

You coming with?

 

[Godsbrother]

Canada or Italy

You coming with?

 Nah if I leave I'll probably head to Ireland.  I love it there.

I am surprised you would consider Canada though

 

[Possum]

I'm not sure any of the poll options are crimes, exactly, and it's very hard to fully believe some of the claims against Trump due to the absolute derangement and hysteria of the corporate media around anything related to him. For example, I believe he should have acted much quicker to try to get the Jan. 6 mob to stand down once it became apparent that they were breaking into the Capitol, but I've seen no proof at all that he orchestrated that chaos, just a lot of "well he didn't actually SAY go attack the Capitol but he knew what would happen!"   

but that said, I think the balance of evidence about his actions following the election at the very least shows Trump was willing to use unethical means to remain in power, and at worst made real, concerted efforts to undermine the democratic process and falsify election results. I didn't vote for him in either of the last two elections (I voted Libertarian both times because I couldn't stomach voting for any of the mainstream candidates) and I won't vote for him again if he runs next cycle. I think on balance his policies are better for the country than the progressive craziness currently running rampant in the Democratic party, but he's corrupt, untrustworthy, just as much of an authoritarian censorship advocate as anyone on the left and brings way too much baggage to be good for America overall.

the actions that are most concerning to me from the poll are that he pressured the GA officials to find enough votes to win and that he pressured Pence to overturn the results.