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Can we let him coach his first NFL game before declaring that? Pete C won multiple national collegiate championships in the same conference that Harbaugh coached in, without any rings (admittedly at Stanford that would've been an even more impressive achievement), and has just won his division and a playoff game in his first year back in the NFL.
+1Let the man advertise his website in peace.Aren't we all FOOTBALL ADDICTS?If I could only find a website for that....So I couldn't spell the names off the top of my head. Just a bunch of trolls with nothing to do.
He also got his butt whooped multiple times by Harbaugh with VASTLY superior talent. Carroll best ability was as a recruiter. The guy was legendary at that. He is a good coach. What Harbaugh did with Stanford is on another level. Carroll did better than I expected, but I would still put my money on Harbaugh
You mean the guy who led the most dominant team in college over the last decade versus a guy who's biggest acheivement was winning 1 BCS bowl game?
Thats one way of phrasing it. Another would be the guy who cheated his way to loaded rosters full of NFL players who has a losing record to the guy who had to recruit true student athletes to Stanford and won a BCS bowl with them.
Academic standards for Stanford compared to USC says a lot. Carrol will be average at best wherever he coaches in the NFL. Harbaugh could be the next Jimmy Johnson.
This is pretty much it if you don't get a solid NFL Qb you just don't last in the NFL as a coach. The only one I can think of that did for years is Lovie Smith who had Grossman and Orton for his first 6 years before he got even a good QB in Cutler.
I don't like the guy but making the playoffs in his first year and winning the first game tells me he's above average.
I don't like the guy and I think losing more games than you win might tell me he's not above average.
I don't think this holds much water given the division he plays in. I give credit to for the playoff win, but the Saints D was a trainwreck all last season and didn't show for the game. Still, a playoff win against the defending champ has to be recognized.All that to say there are a lot of things that will determine their successes outside of coaching ability. Surrounding themselves with good position coaches, injuries, managing the relationship with the GM and Owner(s), making good draft picks, etc. It is easy to dismiss Caroll because there is a body of knowledge to draw from where Harbaugh is still a relative unknown at the professional level.
That is true, he did it at Southern Cal.
That's fair, but look at his players and try to argue that they would have done better for someone else. Player development is going to be the key here and I'm guessing Harbaugh will do well there. But that's all it is right now.
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