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Brandon Jacobs was a nice selection Rad..........so was Moats EBF.

Tommy could have had them both, I was surprised he chose to simply ignore them.

The Shark Pool just swooped in for the kill on that one. :fishy:

Yeah, those guys are gonna see tons of PT - playing beind two of the leading RB's last year. Just the kind of guys I want on my team. Nice job SP :loco:

So basically handcuffing veteran running backs to rookie Rb's is a bad idea late in the draft?

:lmao::lmao:

You sure have a funny definition of "handcuff" for a "shark."

:lmao::lmao:

I'm a little slow at times, you'll have to explain this to me, I don't follow :confused:

OK. I'll talk really slowly.

Priest + LJ = Handcuff

Tiki + Jacobs = Handcuff

Edge + Jacobs != Handcuff

Do you get that, or would you like some more examples.

And I thought the SP guys were supposed to be the experts :nerd:

I'm not following your train of thought here..........and I don't know who Jacobs is for Edge.

I asked you earlier about handcuffing the veteran RB's to their rookie counterparts and you said I had a funny definition of it. I asked to explain it to me what you meant by my funny definition and you've only explained exactly what I've been talking about the entire time except for this "Edge + Jacobs" thing I know nothing about.

My point all along was I thought TommyGunz could have handcuffed those rookie Rb's to their starters. To me, that would have been a solid strategy.......but that's just me. Reason being both of those backs have had good camps and both starters have had history of being injured or not playing the full 16 game season.

If Tgunz felt it was to early for his team to make those moves, so be it. We can revisit this topic later on in this season possibly.

Edit to add: You'll never hear me call myself an expert.........just a Shark Pool and football junkie, that's probably more like it.

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buck's now out for the season - moats definitely more valuable than he was yesterday.

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Eli Manning @ 15.11 = :banned:

:lmao:

like i said, i play in 5-6 leagues annually (less this year), and out of 50-60 owners, you are by far the cat who is the least scared to roll the dice.

go get'um EBF.

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Eli Manning @ 15.11 =  :banned:

:lmao:

like i said, i play in 5-6 leagues annually (less this year), and out of 50-60 owners, you are by far the cat who is the least scared to roll the dice.

go get'um EBF.

:nerd:

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I think Kutta interpreted your post the same way that I did, in that the SP owners were handcuffing their RB's (so he was saying that Jacobs wasn't a handcuff for Edge). Looking at Tommy's team, I see your point. I probably would have taken Jacobs if I was Gunz. If he was gone, maybe Moats. I don't think I'd want to take up 2 roster spots with questionable handcuffs, unless they were available in the last 2 or 3 rounds. I actually have Betts ranked higher than both of those rookies, but once you get to this part of the draft, those whose long shots end up playing will look sharkier.

My point all along was I thought TommyGunz could have handcuffed those rookie Rb's to their starters. To me, that would have been a solid strategy.......but that's just me. Reason being both of those backs have had good camps and both starters have had history of being injured or not playing the full 16 game season.

If Tgunz felt it was to early for his team to make those moves, so be it. We can revisit this topic later on in this season possibly.

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I think Kutta interpreted your post the same way that I did, in that the SP owners were handcuffing their RB's (so he was saying that Jacobs wasn't a handcuff for Edge). Looking at Tommy's team, I see your point. I probably would have taken Jacobs if I was Gunz. If he was gone, maybe Moats. I don't think I'd want to take up 2 roster spots with questionable handcuffs, unless they were available in the last 2 or 3 rounds. I actually have Betts ranked higher than both of those rookies, but once you get to this part of the draft, those whose long shots end up playing will look sharkier.

My point all along was I thought TommyGunz could have handcuffed those rookie Rb's to their starters.  To me, that would have been a solid strategy.......but that's just me.  Reason being both of those backs have had good camps and both starters have had history of being injured or not playing the full 16 game season.

If Tgunz felt it was to early for his team to make those moves, so be it.  We can revisit this topic later on in this season possibly.

No, I wasn't saying whoever drafted Moates and Jacobs was handcuffing.......I was saying that Tommy should/could have handcuffed since he has Tiki Westbrook. He said he doesn't really know enough about them and felt it was a little to early for him to pull the trigger on either one.

I handcuffed Kevin Faulk with with Dillon.........but probably won't handcuff anyone to Kevin Jones because Pinner has been running decent and so has Bryson.......I'd rather go somewhere else.

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I was saying that Tommy should/could have handcuffed since he has Tiki Westbrook. He said he doesn't really know enough about them

tommygunz admits to not knowing much about NFL players?get right out of town!

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I was saying that Tommy should/could have handcuffed since he has Tiki Westbrook.  He said he doesn't really know enough about them

tommygunz admits to not knowing much about NFL players?

get right out of town!

Now lets put this in context. Both are rookies and both are in situations where they're only 50-50 to actually be the backups. I doubt Jacobs gets feature back carries even if an extremely durable Tiki Barber goes down. Does anyone really believe Moats will be able to pick up the West Coast offense and be trusted as an everydown back if Westbrook is injured? I can't believe Reid would allow his Super Bowl aspirations to be tied to a rookie RB in such a complex system.

Better? :D

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I think Kutta interpreted your post the same way that I did, in that the SP owners were handcuffing their RB's (so he was saying that Jacobs wasn't a handcuff for Edge). Looking at Tommy's team, I see your point. I probably would have taken Jacobs if I was Gunz. If he was gone, maybe Moats. I don't think I'd want to take up 2 roster spots with questionable handcuffs, unless they were available in the last 2 or 3 rounds. I actually have Betts ranked higher than both of those rookies, but once you get to this part of the draft, those whose long shots end up playing will look sharkier.

My point all along was I thought TommyGunz could have handcuffed those rookie Rb's to their starters. To me, that would have been a solid strategy.......but that's just me. Reason being both of those backs have had good camps and both starters have had history of being injured or not playing the full 16 game season.

If Tgunz felt it was to early for his team to make those moves, so be it. We can revisit this topic later on in this season possibly.

No, I wasn't saying whoever drafted Moates and Jacobs was handcuffing.......I was saying that Tommy should/could have handcuffed since he has Tiki Westbrook. He said he doesn't really know enough about them and felt it was a little to early for him to pull the trigger on either one.

I handcuffed Kevin Faulk with with Dillon.........but probably won't handcuff anyone to Kevin Jones because Pinner has been running decent and so has Bryson.......I'd rather go somewhere else.

Ok. Sorry. I interpreted your post exactly as Blenderfrog suspected.

Friends again? :hifive:

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I think Kutta interpreted your post the same way that I did, in that the SP owners were handcuffing their RB's (so he was saying that Jacobs wasn't a handcuff for Edge).  Looking at Tommy's team, I see your point.  I probably would have taken Jacobs if I was Gunz.  If he was gone, maybe Moats.  I don't think I'd want to take up 2 roster spots with questionable handcuffs, unless they were available in the last 2 or 3 rounds.  I actually have Betts ranked higher than both of those rookies, but once you get to this part of the draft, those whose long shots end up playing will look sharkier.

My point all along was I thought TommyGunz could have handcuffed those rookie Rb's to their starters.  To me, that would have been a solid strategy.......but that's just me.  Reason being both of those backs have had good camps and both starters have had history of being injured or not playing the full 16 game season.

If Tgunz felt it was to early for his team to make those moves, so be it.  We can revisit this topic later on in this season possibly.

No, I wasn't saying whoever drafted Moates and Jacobs was handcuffing.......I was saying that Tommy should/could have handcuffed since he has Tiki Westbrook. He said he doesn't really know enough about them and felt it was a little to early for him to pull the trigger on either one.

I handcuffed Kevin Faulk with with Dillon.........but probably won't handcuff anyone to Kevin Jones because Pinner has been running decent and so has Bryson.......I'd rather go somewhere else.

Ok. Sorry. I interpreted your post exactly as Blenderfrog suspected.

Friends again? :hifive:

Till we play ;)

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My draft for this league last year was a bit disasterous, but I'm really happy with the way this one is going. Marc BulgerBen RoethlisbergerEli ManningClinton PortisJulius JonesCadillac WilliamsRyan MoatsEddie KennisonAmani ToomerPlaxico BurressKeyshawn JohnsonTerry GlennReggie WilliamsMatt JonesAlge CrumplerHeath Miller :banned::ph34r:

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My draft for this league last year was a bit disasterous, but I'm really happy with the way this one is going.

Marc Bulger

Ben Roethlisberger

Eli Manning

Clinton Portis

Julius Jones

Cadillac Williams

Ryan Moats

Eddie Kennison

Amani Toomer

Plaxico Burress

Keyshawn Johnson

Terry Glenn

Reggie Williams

Matt Jones

Alge Crumpler

Heath Miller

:banned::ph34r:

You definitely get the award for the most old, washed-up, still hanging on WR's.

I do like your RB's and your QB's, and I think Crumpler is a nice TE to have with those guys, but I think your WR's are pretty weak. But you have enough of them that a few of them could pan out and make your team pretty strong. Having Toomer, Plax, and Eli is interesting...

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My draft for this league last year was a bit disasterous, but I'm really happy with the way this one is going.

Marc Bulger

Ben Roethlisberger

Eli Manning

Clinton Portis

Julius Jones

Cadillac Williams

Ryan Moats

Eddie Kennison

Amani Toomer

Plaxico Burress

Keyshawn Johnson

Terry Glenn

Reggie Williams

Matt Jones

Alge Crumpler

Heath Miller

:banned:  :ph34r:

You definitely get the award for the most old, washed-up, still hanging on WR's.

I do like your RB's and your QB's, and I think Crumpler is a nice TE to have with those guys, but I think your WR's are pretty weak. But you have enough of them that a few of them could pan out and make your team pretty strong. Having Toomer, Plax, and Eli is interesting...

Last year Kennison finished 12th in this league's scoring in terms of points per week. I expect him to have another good year considering that he's the team's only decent WR.

Keyshawn and Glenn also finished in the top 30 in terms of 2004 points per week. I'm betting that at least one of the two will be a top 20 guy in this league's scoring.

I figure that either Burress or Toomer will also have a decent season. I'm not sure who the team's real WR1 is, but I am sure that he's on my roster.

Finally, I like the opportunity for Jones and Williams in Jacksonville. If Taylor misses time or is ineffective then the team will have to rely more heavily on its passing game. Jimmy Smith is ancient and there's a decent opportunity for one of the youngsters to step up and have a solid campaign.

My strategy in this draft was to take care of RB, TE, and QB early because those are the positions where good players are scarce. I figured that I'd be able to pick up some productive WRs all throughout the draft. When I looked at the ADP, I liked the value that the Dallas, NYG, and Jacksonville WR combos offered. I intentionally targeted these players and was able to draft them all. My WRs aren't intimidating individually, but I think the sum of their parts equals a pretty viable unit.

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My draft for this league last year was a bit disasterous, but I'm really happy with the way this one is going.

Marc Bulger

Ben Roethlisberger

Eli Manning

Clinton Portis

Julius Jones

Cadillac Williams

Ryan Moats

Eddie Kennison

Amani Toomer

Plaxico Burress

Keyshawn Johnson

Terry Glenn

Reggie Williams

Matt Jones

Alge Crumpler

Heath Miller

:banned:  :ph34r:

You definitely get the award for the most old, washed-up, still hanging on WR's.

I do like your RB's and your QB's, and I think Crumpler is a nice TE to have with those guys, but I think your WR's are pretty weak. But you have enough of them that a few of them could pan out and make your team pretty strong. Having Toomer, Plax, and Eli is interesting...

Last year Kennison finished 12th in this league's scoring in terms of points per week. I expect him to have another good year considering that he's the team's only decent WR.

Keyshawn and Glenn also finished in the top 30 in terms of 2004 points per week. I'm betting that at least one of the two will be a top 20 guy in this league's scoring.

I figure that either Burress or Toomer will also have a decent season. I'm not sure who the team's real WR1 is, but I am sure that he's on my roster.

Finally, I like the opportunity for Jones and Williams in Jacksonville. If Taylor misses time or is ineffective then the team will have to rely more heavily on its passing game. Jimmy Smith is ancient and there's a decent opportunity for one of the youngsters to step up and have a solid campaign.

My strategy in this draft was to take care of RB, TE, and QB early because those are the positions where good players are scarce. I figured that I'd be able to pick up some productive WRs all throughout the draft. When I looked at the ADP, I liked the value that the Dallas, NYG, and Jacksonville WR combos offered. I intentionally targeted these players and was able to draft them all. My WRs aren't intimidating individually, but I think the sum of their parts equals a pretty viable unit.

Interesting theory…and I really didn’t notice it until somebody pointed it out…of course, I really didn’t look that hard. I think this would work ok in a survivor format but I smell trouble in H2H. Sure one of those WRs on those teams could emerge as a clear WR1…more likely they’ll each turn out to be average WRs…with some good games mixed in with total bust games. In order to guarantee the good games, you’d have to start both WRs from the same team….something that I wouldn’t want to do here. So you’re going to be left guessing which WR is going to have the good week. Good luck there.

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I may not be drafting well but I'm now getting my picks in on time... :D

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sorry for the timeout guys, last night was....hectic. please give me 16.05 PK Jeff Wilkins.

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sorry for the timeout guys, last night was....hectic.

please give me 16.05 PK Jeff Wilkins.

done

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sorry fellas - got a little too twisted at the DMB show last night.Dominic Rhodes for me at 18.03 please.

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sorry fellas - got a little too twisted at the DMB show last night.

Dominic Rhodes for me at 18.03 please.

Why don't you take LT2 at 18.03.....................come on man, is this part of the side show you guys have been putting on or is this for real. Radballs took Dominic Rhodes in the 16th round. If you wanted RB's, we talked about this earlier with your possible handcuffs but you decided it was to early.

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sorry fellas - got a little too twisted at the DMB show last night.

Dominic Rhodes for me at 18.03 please.

Why don't you take LT2 at 18.03.....................come on man, is this part of the side show you guys have been putting on or is this for real. Radballs took Dominic Rhodes in the 16th round. If you wanted RB's, we talked about this earlier with your possible handcuffs but you decided it was to early.

ouch - did a search for "rhodes" on the draft report page and nothing came up. :bag:

RB handcuffs in round 12 or 13 is far different than handcuffs in the 18th.

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SFax, could you give me Vincent Jackson (WR-SDC) at 18.03.Thanks.

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sorry fellas - got a little too twisted at the DMB show last night.

Dominic Rhodes for me at 18.03 please.

Why don't you take LT2 at 18.03.....................come on man, is this part of the side show you guys have been putting on or is this for real. Radballs took Dominic Rhodes in the 16th round. If you wanted RB's, we talked about this earlier with your possible handcuffs but you decided it was to early.

ouch - did a search for "rhodes" on the draft report page and nothing came up. :bag:

RB handcuffs in round 12 or 13 is far different than handcuffs in the 18th.

Just giving you a hard time man.

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Are we going to do a commentary thread in the SP?

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Well, I'm done.Not too happy with things. I hated my draft position. It just seems like this year the people with the top few picks end up with really strong teams. Getting LT or SA or PH, and following up with two quality guys in the 2nd and 3rd is just sweet. I'm in a 500 dollar antsports league and got the 3rd pick and really like my team so far. We'll see how that plays out.Good drafts this year. I don't thinkt here are any horrible teams, and there are a few really good ones. Should be a fun year. Hopefully Gonzo comes through for me like I think he will.

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I had like 20 guys predrafted for my last pick ... so I'm not sure what happened there. I'll just add a guy once the draft is over.

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Well, I'm done.

Not too happy with things. I hated my draft position. It just seems like this year the people with the top few picks end up with really strong teams. Getting LT or SA or PH, and following up with two quality guys in the 2nd and 3rd is just sweet.

I'm in a 500 dollar antsports league and got the 3rd pick and really like my team so far. We'll see how that plays out.

Good drafts this year. I don't thinkt here are any horrible teams, and there are a few really good ones. Should be a fun year. Hopefully Gonzo comes through for me like I think he will.

You know, 9 out of 10 times the team you think will win it after the draft doesn't. The league comes down to key FA pick ups, making that correct WR3 choice and not having someone go off on the bench while you lose by 4 points etc....

With all the FFA bashing I do, I'll have to say that this league was one of the most competitive leagues I played in last year. It was close down to the wire and was lots of fun trash talking along the way.

I think we made some quality picks ups in the league in ownership and am looking forward to improving on last year where I lost in the Finals to a Pornstar. I was distracted all during that week because I kept getting DVD's of Tera Patrick through UPS and couldn't spend as much time on my key matchups as I would've liked. I'm much wiser now (and seen all her stuff now :thumbup: )!

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Hey guys, I live in the New Orleans area and won't have a lot of time to spend on FF over the next couple of weeks.I have a 4:00 Unlucky/greek league draft today that I might need a sub for. Anyone interested??? I have an Excel VBD cheatsheet ready with the scoring rules built in. PM me if you have time - thanks!!!

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I had like 20 guys predrafted for my last pick ... so I'm not sure what happened there. I'll just add a guy once the draft is over.

Let me know who you want by Sunday...otherwise you'll be short one roster spot until the start of the season. You can then fill this roster spot after week one when waivers are processed.

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I think we made some quality picks ups in the league in ownership and am looking forward to improving on last year where I lost in the Finals to a Pornstar. I was distracted all during that week because I kept getting DVD's of Tera Patrick through UPS and couldn't spend as much time on my key matchups as I would've liked. I'm much wiser now (and seen all her stuff now :thumbup: )!

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If any of you are in the market, I'm looking to trade Mike Anderson for an upgrade at QB or WR.

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Waiver Process for this week?

No waivers until after the Monday night game. Waivers are worst to first and I think will be processed on Thursday night. Then it's first come, first served...just like last year.

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Waiver Process for this week?

No waivers until after the Monday night game. Waivers are worst to first and I think will be processed on Thursday night. Then it's first come, first served...just like last year.

I've got no problem with it but I'd prefer to do it different next year if we can. If our kicker got hurt (most draft 1 kicker) from the end of our draft to the 1st week, you'd go without a kicker. Some would say..........just draft 2 kickers then...which is certainly an answer but I prefer having a waiver wire the week before the season.

Thoughts for next year on this?

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I've got no problem with it but I'd prefer to do it different next year if we can. If our kicker got hurt (most draft 1 kicker) from the end of our draft to the 1st week, you'd go without a kicker. Some would say..........just draft 2 kickers then...which is certainly an answer but I prefer having a waiver wire the week before the season.

Thoughts for next year on this?

I know I am just the new guy in this league this year, but I am not a fan of the open waiver wire between draft and week 1. I'd rather it stay closed.

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I've got no problem with it but I'd prefer to do it different next year if we can.  If our kicker got hurt (most draft 1 kicker) from the end of our draft to the 1st week, you'd go without a kicker. Some would say..........just draft 2 kickers then...which is certainly an answer but I prefer having a waiver wire the week before the season.

Thoughts for next year on this?

I know I am just the new guy in this league this year, but I am not a fan of the open waiver wire between draft and week 1. I'd rather it stay closed.

That's fine, just would like to know your reasoning?

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I've never seen a good way to determine WW priority before the season starts. As camps progress and people get injured or new starters pop up out of nowhere, etc...I prefer that that all be handled on a worst to first basis after week 1. Plus, depending on how early you draft, people often have a lot of other drafts to attend to during this time of the year and WW activity is not usually on my mind right now.

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My first big who to start decision...I'm going with Mike Anderson over Lamont Jordan.Down with the FFA!

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Courtney Anderson with 2TDs on my bench. :(

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Courtney Anderson with 2TDs on my bench.   :(

That was a tough call there ACP. The problem with him too is you'll start him next week and he'll have 2 catches for 18 yards and zero td's. If he's on the WW in any leagues, he'll be gobbled up like crazy around the country. Then he probably won't do much for awhile.......owners will drop him and he'll go off again and then a new owner picks him up etc........ I hate that cycle.

Hey, there was a must start thread in the Shark Pool on Courtney Anderson. If you would spend less time in the FFA and more in the Shark Pool you probably would have seen it. ;)

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My first big who to start decision...I'm going with Mike Anderson over Lamont Jordan.

Down with the FFA!

Jordan looked pretty good I thought. He's a bit out of game shape as he got winded and cramped up during the 2nd half. Once he gets over that he should be fine. My only concern for him might be the lack of TD's he gets in that offense.

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:whistle:

What is everyone waiting to see if they win and then they claim how good they are?

Are you new??? I'm just hoping to get through week 1 without losing half my roster to broken legs... :ph34r:

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My first big who to start decision...I'm going with Mike Anderson over Lamont Jordan.

Down with the FFA!

Jordan looked pretty good I thought. He's a bit out of game shape as he got winded and cramped up during the 2nd half. Once he gets over that he should be fine. My only concern for him might be the lack of TD's he gets in that offense.

Jordan will be solid this year, as @NE is a tough matchup...I think I made the right move at this point.

Damn I'm good at this.

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