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woops! thats what happens when you dont doublecheck your work...ill fix it...i would be putting him in at 15 right in front of bestRyan Mathews not in the top 60?
The simple answer is I still think he is an elite talent. Elite talents do not come along every year and im very hesitant to take an elite talent out of my top ten. His situation does look dim right now, but, I have faith that Spillers talent will overcome his situation eventually. It may not even be this year. But thats why these are dynasty rankings. In redraft he would probably be in the 20s somewhere because i think hes a big risk/reward guy. But, I think his ceiling is so sky high still that im willing to look past last year. Tough to keep him that high but tougher for me to drop him a significant amount on a 74 carry season against one of the toughest schedules in the league. My opinion is that this is a similar situation to darren Mcfadden early on. People tossed him to the graveyard after one or two years because his numbers were horrible, completely ignoring that the guy was an elite prospect and a top 5 pick in the draft. Its not like the bills are going give up on a top ten pick after one year. I have faith when he gets his opportunity he will flourish.Sell me on Spiller at 10.
Ingram, Williams, and Thomas are fine. But Leshoure, Green, Powell, Helu, Hunter, Carter, White, Todman, Jones, Ridley, and Harper aren't.'wiscstlatlmia said:i dont think its crazy to have one rookie(with a solid situation) to be in the top 19'eakfootball said:Baffaling how high you have the rookies.
LOL...your throwing subjective opinions around like they are facts...how in the world do you know yet if they are worthy or not of the spots I put them in? I think your still angry about greg littleIngram, Williams, and Thomas are fine. But Leshoure, Green, Powell, Helu, Hunter, Carter, White, Todman, Jones, Ridley, and Harper aren't.'wiscstlatlmia said:i dont think its crazy to have one rookie(with a solid situation) to be in the top 19'eakfootball said:Baffaling how high you have the rookies.
1.If thats the reason for peterson's drop in touches then thats a solid bit of info, thanks3.I may be wrong, But I see Michael Turner Circa 2008 in Stewart.He has already had two impressive seasons, posting RB2 numbers as the second back in the offense.I think with Deangelo leaving ,Stewart has a shot to take stud status and run with it, starting this year.4. Your right, nothing I've watched has made me move these guys down to the spots they are. Its more the rumblings that the giants are not going to resign Bradshaw and that the Browns are looking to make their RB situation into a committee(with Hardesty). If these guys become feature backs somehow, then I am more than willing to move them up.'Concept Coop said:A few points.1. Peterson's touches dipped because he was injured - even missing a game during that stretch. They are going to feed him the ball. He is as sure a bet for touches as there is.2. If you are ranking Spiller #10, you must have watched a lot of Clemson football.3. Stewart is simply too high. The love for this guy is strong. 4. Bradshaw and Hillis are low. What about watching their games prompted their rankings?That said, thanks for the rankings.
Posts #11 and #16.What is your reason behind the Spiller and Stewart rankings?
What rumblings. I live in the area and the rumblings are the complete opposite. Every indication is that the Giantas want Bradshaw back and he wants to come back. I'd say there's little chance that it doesn't work out - the team waited until Round 7 to draft a practice squad type back, further indicating that they plan to resign Bradshaw.1.If thats the reason for peterson's drop in touches then thats a solid bit of info, thanks3.I may be wrong, But I see Michael Turner Circa 2008 in Stewart.He has already had two impressive seasons, posting RB2 numbers as the second back in the offense.I think with Deangelo leaving ,Stewart has a shot to take stud status and run with it, starting this year.A few points.
1. Peterson's touches dipped because he was injured - even missing a game during that stretch. They are going to feed him the ball. He is as sure a bet for touches as there is.
2. If you are ranking Spiller #10, you must have watched a lot of Clemson football.
3. Stewart is simply too high. The love for this guy is strong.
4. Bradshaw and Hillis are low. What about watching their games prompted their rankings?
That said, thanks for the rankings.
4. Your right, nothing I've watched has made me move these guys down to the spots they are. Its more the rumblings that the giants are not going to resign Bradshaw and that the Browns are looking to make their RB situation into a committee(with Hardesty). If these guys become feature backs somehow, then I am more than willing to move them up.
I've read on a few threads in here that his status in new york was uncertain...if thats not the case then thats a good thing to know. Do you have any links or articles proving this?What rumblings. I live in the area and the rumblings are the complete opposite. Every indication is that the Giantas want Bradshaw back and he wants to come back. I'd say there's little chance that it doesn't work out - the team waited until Round 7 to draft a practice squad type back, further indicating that they plan to resign Bradshaw.1.If thats the reason for peterson's drop in touches then thats a solid bit of info, thanks3.I may be wrong, But I see Michael Turner Circa 2008 in Stewart.He has already had two impressive seasons, posting RB2 numbers as the second back in the offense.I think with Deangelo leaving ,Stewart has a shot to take stud status and run with it, starting this year.A few points.
1. Peterson's touches dipped because he was injured - even missing a game during that stretch. They are going to feed him the ball. He is as sure a bet for touches as there is.
2. If you are ranking Spiller #10, you must have watched a lot of Clemson football.
3. Stewart is simply too high. The love for this guy is strong.
4. Bradshaw and Hillis are low. What about watching their games prompted their rankings?
That said, thanks for the rankings.
4. Your right, nothing I've watched has made me move these guys down to the spots they are. Its more the rumblings that the giants are not going to resign Bradshaw and that the Browns are looking to make their RB situation into a committee(with Hardesty). If these guys become feature backs somehow, then I am more than willing to move them up.
It's uncertain because there's no CBA- we don't know if he's going to be restricted or unrestricted, they can't negotiate with him now, etc. The prevailing thought is that he'll be back however, and the fact that the Giants didn't select a RB until the 7th round tells me that they fully plan on re-signing him.I've read on a few threads in here that his status in new york was uncertain...if thats not the case then thats a good thing to know. Do you have any links or articles proving this?What rumblings. I live in the area and the rumblings are the complete opposite. Every indication is that the Giantas want Bradshaw back and he wants to come back. I'd say there's little chance that it doesn't work out - the team waited until Round 7 to draft a practice squad type back, further indicating that they plan to resign Bradshaw.1.If thats the reason for peterson's drop in touches then thats a solid bit of info, thanks3.I may be wrong, But I see Michael Turner Circa 2008 in Stewart.He has already had two impressive seasons, posting RB2 numbers as the second back in the offense.I think with Deangelo leaving ,Stewart has a shot to take stud status and run with it, starting this year.A few points.
1. Peterson's touches dipped because he was injured - even missing a game during that stretch. They are going to feed him the ball. He is as sure a bet for touches as there is.
2. If you are ranking Spiller #10, you must have watched a lot of Clemson football.
3. Stewart is simply too high. The love for this guy is strong.
4. Bradshaw and Hillis are low. What about watching their games prompted their rankings?
That said, thanks for the rankings.
4. Your right, nothing I've watched has made me move these guys down to the spots they are. Its more the rumblings that the giants are not going to resign Bradshaw and that the Browns are looking to make their RB situation into a committee(with Hardesty). If these guys become feature backs somehow, then I am more than willing to move them up.
Alot of crazy stuff is said on these boards.I'm not going to go back and provide links (some stuff was in the local papers), you can do that yourself if interested. Not trying to be a jerk about it, but you could just as easily do an internet search as I can and we both made "unsupported" statements, but I know mine is true.'wiscstlatlmia said:I've read on a few threads in here that his status in new york was uncertain...if thats not the case then thats a good thing to know. Do you have any links or articles proving this?What rumblings. I live in the area and the rumblings are the complete opposite. Every indication is that the Giantas want Bradshaw back and he wants to come back. I'd say there's little chance that it doesn't work out - the team waited until Round 7 to draft a practice squad type back, further indicating that they plan to resign Bradshaw.1.If thats the reason for peterson's drop in touches then thats a solid bit of info, thanks3.I may be wrong, But I see Michael Turner Circa 2008 in Stewart.He has already had two impressive seasons, posting RB2 numbers as the second back in the offense.I think with Deangelo leaving ,Stewart has a shot to take stud status and run with it, starting this year.A few points.
1. Peterson's touches dipped because he was injured - even missing a game during that stretch. They are going to feed him the ball. He is as sure a bet for touches as there is.
2. If you are ranking Spiller #10, you must have watched a lot of Clemson football.
3. Stewart is simply too high. The love for this guy is strong.
4. Bradshaw and Hillis are low. What about watching their games prompted their rankings?
That said, thanks for the rankings.
4. Your right, nothing I've watched has made me move these guys down to the spots they are. Its more the rumblings that the giants are not going to resign Bradshaw and that the Browns are looking to make their RB situation into a committee(with Hardesty). If these guys become feature backs somehow, then I am more than willing to move them up.
I dont hate him. It's just that I think Benn is better talent, So my dynasty rankings Reflect the fact that I like Benn more than Williams. If I'm wrong,I'm wrong, but, from watching what I saw, its at least worth a shot to go with my own opinion.Stuck to your guns with your hate for Tampa Mike, I will give you credit for that. What did you see from his film that you disliked? Maybe it's the name you dislike because Big Mike Williams is pretty low too.
What came first, the chicken or the egg?I bet if someone offered you Tampa Mike for Benn straight up you'd insta-accept with glee.I dont hate him lol....its just that I think Benn is better talent... So my dynasty rankings show the fact that I like Benn more than Williams. If im wrong,im wrong...but from watching what i saw...its at least worth a shotStuck to your guns with your hate for Tampa Mike, I will give you credit for that. What did you see from his film that you disliked? Maybe it's the name you dislike because Big Mike Williams is pretty low too.
That wouldn't necessarily mean that he doesn't like Benn better personally though. TB Mike has much more trade value and he could always flip him for much better value and then get Benn back cheaply.I actually agree with wisc to some extent. While it's hard to argue that Benn will be the better player right now, I do think they are a lot closer in talent than most think after their respective rookie seasons. If Benn recovers in time for the season I think their numbers will end up being fairly close by season's end.What came first, the chicken or the egg?I bet if someone offered you Tampa Mike for Benn straight up you'd insta-accept with glee.I dont hate him lol....its just that I think Benn is better talent... So my dynasty rankings show the fact that I like Benn more than Williams. If im wrong,im wrong...but from watching what i saw...its at least worth a shotStuck to your guns with your hate for Tampa Mike, I will give you credit for that. What did you see from his film that you disliked? Maybe it's the name you dislike because Big Mike Williams is pretty low too.
BingoThat wouldn't necessarily mean that he doesn't like Benn better personally though. TB Mike has much more trade value and he could always flip him for much better value and then get Benn back cheaply.I actually agree with wisc to some extent. While it's hard to argue that Benn will be the better player right now, I do think they are a lot closer in talent than most think after their respective rookie seasons. If Benn recovers in time for the season I think their numbers will end up being fairly close by season's end.What came first, the chicken or the egg?I bet if someone offered you Tampa Mike for Benn straight up you'd insta-accept with glee.I dont hate him lol....its just that I think Benn is better talent... So my dynasty rankings show the fact that I like Benn more than Williams. If im wrong,im wrong...but from watching what i saw...its at least worth a shotStuck to your guns with your hate for Tampa Mike, I will give you credit for that. What did you see from his film that you disliked? Maybe it's the name you dislike because Big Mike Williams is pretty low too.
Kind of flawed logic though. If Team A is paying good Mike Williams for Benn then they either are really down on Williams or really high on Benn or both. Mostly likely value Benn higher than his market value. It's all hypothetical, but it seems relatively very low chance you buy Benn back, unless you mean in a separate league. If you think Benn's upside is top 20 instead of top 10, it doesn't matter. But if you think Benn's upside is top 10, it makes it cloudier.BingoThat wouldn't necessarily mean that he doesn't like Benn better personally though. TB Mike has much more trade value and he could always flip him for much better value and then get Benn back cheaply.I actually agree with wisc to some extent. While it's hard to argue that Benn will be the better player right now, I do think they are a lot closer in talent than most think after their respective rookie seasons. If Benn recovers in time for the season I think their numbers will end up being fairly close by season's end.What came first, the chicken or the egg?I bet if someone offered you Tampa Mike for Benn straight up you'd insta-accept with glee.I dont hate him lol....its just that I think Benn is better talent... So my dynasty rankings show the fact that I like Benn more than Williams. If im wrong,im wrong...but from watching what i saw...its at least worth a shotStuck to your guns with your hate for Tampa Mike, I will give you credit for that. What did you see from his film that you disliked? Maybe it's the name you dislike because Big Mike Williams is pretty low too.
This!!! This is exactly my point and thank you. You can disagree with every ranking and I'm totally ok with that. If anyone gives a good enough reason as to why a guy should be moved up or down then I would be fine with moving them accordingly. I dont claim to know everything and I'm sure I probably have some false reasoning in there somewhere. If any of you catch something like that then dont hold back. Perfect example is the Ahmad Bradshaw post, That is great stuff to know.Really excellent, excellent work. I disagree with much of it, but you are thinking for yourself. Something that's still surprisingly lacking given how saturated the FF analysis game is these days.
So you admit that that you'd instaclick accept on that trade?BingoThat wouldn't necessarily mean that he doesn't like Benn better personally though. TB Mike has much more trade value and he could always flip him for much better value and then get Benn back cheaply.I actually agree with wisc to some extent. While it's hard to argue that Benn will be the better player right now, I do think they are a lot closer in talent than most think after their respective rookie seasons. If Benn recovers in time for the season I think their numbers will end up being fairly close by season's end.What came first, the chicken or the egg?I bet if someone offered you Tampa Mike for Benn straight up you'd insta-accept with glee.I dont hate him lol....its just that I think Benn is better talent... So my dynasty rankings show the fact that I like Benn more than Williams. If im wrong,im wrong...but from watching what i saw...its at least worth a shotStuck to your guns with your hate for Tampa Mike, I will give you credit for that. What did you see from his film that you disliked? Maybe it's the name you dislike because Big Mike Williams is pretty low too.
I do admit that...but, the point is I would go after Benn this offseason and get him for less than half the price. For redraft I definitely agree that williams is the better selection, But, long term I gotta go with Benn. I still have Williams Ranked ahead of him based on his value to a team for the upcoming year. Also, if Benn doesn't emerge or he busts in general, then Williams value will go up quite a bit. WIth Freeman and nobody to compete with for targets he could be a low end WR1 for years to come.So you admit that that you'd instaclick accept on that trade?BingoThat wouldn't necessarily mean that he doesn't like Benn better personally though. TB Mike has much more trade value and he could always flip him for much better value and then get Benn back cheaply.I actually agree with wisc to some extent. While it's hard to argue that Benn will be the better player right now, I do think they are a lot closer in talent than most think after their respective rookie seasons. If Benn recovers in time for the season I think their numbers will end up being fairly close by season's end.What came first, the chicken or the egg?I bet if someone offered you Tampa Mike for Benn straight up you'd insta-accept with glee.I dont hate him lol....its just that I think Benn is better talent... So my dynasty rankings show the fact that I like Benn more than Williams. If im wrong,im wrong...but from watching what i saw...its at least worth a shotStuck to your guns with your hate for Tampa Mike, I will give you credit for that. What did you see from his film that you disliked? Maybe it's the name you dislike because Big Mike Williams is pretty low too.
1.Good call on cook, I knew I forgot somebody in that range. I remember being impressed when I caught a live Titans game last year. But, I'm a little skeptical of the situation hes in. Definitely has the talent to make noise this year, does he get the opportunity? 21 seems like the right spot for him in my mind , right in front of Jodan Cameron and Kyle Rudolph(who I consider to have similar situations and skill level)2. As a Rams fan I'm embarrassed I missed this one. He seemed to work well with Bradford when he was in there, playing very well as the role of big target/deep threat. When the Rams went Kendricks over Greg Little in the second round I was extremely shocked at first and a little upset. But, when I really thought about it, its more encouraging than discouraging. This could mean a couple different things to me, all of them pointing to The Rams organization perceiving there passing game as a non weakness in general. Potential senarios:1. They are happy with what they have at WR. The drafting of Salas and Pettis tells me they are looking for a solid NO.2 WR to go alongside Avery or Alexander. Which guy is it? I'm not completely sure. It could go either way but im leaning towards avery as having a higher probability at this point. 2. They are so high on bradford they think he can do well regardless of who they throw out there. If this is the case, I would be a bit higher on Salas and Amendola to have some solid PPR games. This could end up like the New orleans situation real quick if no guy emerges.All things seem positive offensively as a whole for the Rams , But WR as a fantasy whole, is a very cloudy situation. Training camp would be extremely interesting and helpful to figure this group out, unfortunately that may not even happen 3. Yea, Rodgers needs to be on the list as well. I'll put him in there in the 30s-40s range when I get a chance.Nice job on the rankings OP. A couple thoughts....1. I would probably sacrifice one of the DAL/GB/NO/BUF or SD running backs to get Turner's back up and/or third down back on the list.2. If Danario Alexander is healthy at camp time? he needs to be on the list of WRs, maybe as high if not higher than Avery/Salas.3. A year removed from his injury, Owen Daniels could probably flip spots with M.Lewis; and I'd put Jared Cook somewhere near the top of tier 4.Keep up the good work.
Thanks man, all I gotta say is, we shall see sir ...lolNice job with the Qb rankings. Romo and Fitzpatrick are low and Vick, Freeman are too high, but thats all i really see.
Given the knee injury issues there, I'm VERY surprised to see Cooley still in the top 15.'wiscstlatlmia said:12.Chris Cooley TE WSH AGE:28
Starting TE with pass catching ability ranked this low is surprising. He has significant upside given the attention that Boldin and Evans will command on the outside coupled with T.Smith/T.Doss.'wiscstlatlmia said:35.Ed Dickson TE BAL AGE:23
I just cant take Cooley down yet because regardless of what I hear, if he plays all year he'll be a top 10 guy.He played hurt most of last year and im not selling just yet.your right on Dickson though . I moved him up to 25. I missed him when I was switching the guys up and down. Thanks for the input.Given the knee injury issues there, I'm VERY surprised to see Cooley still in the top 15.'wiscstlatlmia said:12.Chris Cooley TE WSH AGE:28Starting TE with pass catching ability ranked this low is surprising. He has significant upside given the attention that Boldin and Evans will command on the outside coupled with T.Smith/T.Doss.'wiscstlatlmia said:35.Ed Dickson TE BAL AGE:23
ugh...Put him in at 19 cant believe I missed him again...to be fair I put him in at 21 in the last rankings...Looks like Jared Cook has been omitted from the most recent TE rankings.
Just wanted to say great job on all the work!ugh...Put him in at 19 cant believe I missed him again...to be fair I put him in at 21 in the last rankings...Looks like Jared Cook has been omitted from the most recent TE rankings.