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The Case Against Global-Warming Skepticism (2 Viewers)
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
You are mostly right. They are giving away the seed. They already grow rice. It's their staple crop. It's what their ag infrastructure is set up for. It's the only thing that makes sense. Groovus is completely missing reality.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I have a foot onboard, but not both. I think the bs has become so thick from the alarmists that the bs from the deniers stops smelling so bad but it's still bs more than anything else. Moore did get me thinking of writing my own version of his piece, but I'd rather drink beer and watch hoops than be that guy.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Wait, you're saying if we gave them the seed, for free, for any of those many things that have naturally occurring beta-ceratine, they couldn't grow and process it? Because I'm pretty sure you'd be wrong if you did. P.S. - moving them (whoever "they" are - where exactly are these people located?) off a food monoculture (granting your assumption that all they eat is rice) would be another benefit.
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
What part of "distributed at no cost to poor farmers around the world" am I misunderstanding?
cstu
Footballguy
I took it as the initial seed is free and then they would use the seeds they grow to use on future crops.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Nothing you've said makes sense. It's all been appeals to emotion. Please tell me where all these blind children are, and which of those crops with naturally occurring beta-ceratine could not be grown and processed there.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Right, so they're giving the initial seed away and the farmers take it from there. So why not give them seed for crops that have naturally occurring beta-ceratine instead of genetically modified stuff?
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Every acre that is used to plant the foods you mentioned is an acre of rice that isn't planted. In many places people are simply trying to survive and need to produce as much rice as they can in order to sell it.
He starts out with a hyperbole about the basis being that the earth will become unlivable. But his more technical points about temperature raising the last 300 years (although it has accelerated the last 100 years) and his points about CO2 concentrations are still on the very low end on a historic basis are true. There was spin in his article, but there was also much truth in it which refutes the spin that the IPCC puts out.
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Fine. That's a long way from his facts being spot on though. "Human emissions saved the planet". He's a nut. He's your kind of nut, which I prefer to the other kind of more popular nut, but he's still a nut.
The guy did make a few over the top statements which take away from his more legitimate points he made.
cstu
Footballguy
It's a fact that CO2 is necessary for plants and higher levels help them grow. I didn't read his statement well enough to see did say what you quoted, but it's false if he did (CO2 hasn't been below 270ppm in the past 200 years). However, current level of CO2 is not destroying the earth.
As I've said many, many times in this thread (with no rebuttal I might add) that earth is warming mostly likely due to higher CO2 but the increase is much lower than IPCC estimates due to the logarithmic effect of CO2 on global warming.
While we do need to reduce our CO2 output there's no need to panic and instead what we need is a long-term strategy to reduce it.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Tango is right. I shouldn't engage the topic. I'm not going type anything compelling. I'm just going to mock everything. Keep up the good fight.
Can someone address the point if it's so obvious?
Claim: CO was at a dangerously low-level pre-industrial revolution and trending further downward.
Rebuttal: [Enter text here please]
Just curious, thanks!
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cstu
Footballguy
Record high ice levels in Antarctic.
If only global warming scientists knew the Earth has two poles.
(HULK)
(Smash)
This send perfectly reasonable to me as well.Why does this topic have to be so polarizing?
cstu
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
Did you get past the second paragraph?
Jack White
Footballguy
Here's some upcoming climate collectivist claptrap.
I, for one, will be using as much electricity as I can during that hour.
I, for one, will be using as much electricity as I can during that hour.
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
Mario Kart
Footballguy
joffer
Footballguy
NASA: 10,000-year-old ice shelf gone by 2020
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/16/us/antarctica-larsen-b-ice-shelf-to-disappear/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/16/us/antarctica-larsen-b-ice-shelf-to-disappear/index.html
timschochet
Footballguy
So NASA's part of it now?
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
What are YOU doing to help prevent climate change? Did you swear off all forms of coal powered energy? Did you give up your car for a bike? Did you stop using toilet paper? Are you recycling like you should?
Inquiring minds would like to know.
Jack White
Footballguy
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Dr Oadi
Footballguy
Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.Whew
timschochet
Footballguy
Im casting my vote for Hillary Clinton. How about you?
timschochet
Footballguy
After all Max, I can complain about climate change all I want, but nothing I do personally is going to make any difference. At this point the only way to get some real action is to support the Democratic Party. Democrats in the White House, in Congress, in the Senate.
I'm honestly not sure if I approve of their proposed solutions to this problem. Not too short a time ago I might have voted for reasonable Republicans who recognized climate change was a serious issue but would be cautious about solutions that might overly harm our economy. But those Republicans appear to be gone. My choice now is between Republicans who refuse to do anything, who won't even acknowledge a concern, and Democrats who recognize the concern and are pledged to action. Give me Democrats.
I'm honestly not sure if I approve of their proposed solutions to this problem. Not too short a time ago I might have voted for reasonable Republicans who recognized climate change was a serious issue but would be cautious about solutions that might overly harm our economy. But those Republicans appear to be gone. My choice now is between Republicans who refuse to do anything, who won't even acknowledge a concern, and Democrats who recognize the concern and are pledged to action. Give me Democrats.
CowboysFromHell
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
No you're right about that, but it's becoming a decisive issue for me, while the others haven't been.
Jack White
Footballguy
You're a single-issue voter now?
And if so, you truly believe that this is the most important political issue?
And if so, you truly believe that a bunch of scumbag politicians can actually solve this issue?
timschochet
Footballguy
1. No. But in each election certain issues have priority for me. This is rapidly becoming one of them.
2. It could very well be. Not sure yet. The inter-related issue of alternative energy is a high priority for me too, as is immigration, as is the state of our economy. But this is certainly a biggie, perhaps the biggest.
3. It's always possible that a solution to this problem will arise from the private sector by itself without government encouragement or involvement. But I have reasonable doubt that this will be the case. It's too big; our reliance on fossil fuels is too strong, and keep in mind the government is already heavily involved with every aspect of fossil fuels, so it's not like we currently have a free economy. I think it's going to take a huge government effort to make a serious change here.
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Jack White
Footballguy
Tim, I don't agree with that, but I appreciate your thoughtful and reasonable responses.
timschochet
Footballguy
You're welcome. If you engaged in more back and forth dialogue instead of jumping into conversations only in order to add unrelated and irrelevant rhetoric or the same dumb line about stinky feet over and over, you'd probably get reasonable responses a lot more often.
Florida governor and potential US Senator Rick Scott ordered employees not to use the terms “climate change” or “global warming”, even though Florida is the state with the most real estate within 3 feet of sea-level. Many communities such as Miami Beach, Ft. Lauderdale and St. Augustine have street flooding problems at high tides, which are getting worse. Miami Beach just spent millions on a pumping station to reduce tidal flooding on the bay-side of ritzy south beach. Mount Sinai Medical Center on Miami Beach will spend millions building a higher sea wall. Fresh water wells in Hallandale and other coastal communities have been closed due to salt-water intrusions. But yet, billions of dollars in coastal real estate is being built and bought. That's the real reason Scott is passing the problem to our children and grandchildren - he'll do anything to get good economic numbers now. This is like the deficit in reverse, politically speaking. I wonder if these melting glaciers will have an impact on tea-party mentality.
Jack White
Footballguy
The rhetoric of liberty, peace, and voluntary mutually beneficial exchange is never irrelevant.
So while you and others argue over which level or flavor of state intervention into every conceivable corner of life you prefer, I will argue for the above.
And, it's an incontrovertible fact that every politician is a liar and a socialist and his feet stink. If you can provide any proof to the contrary, be my guest.
timschochet
Footballguy
Hey that's up to you. Just don't expect a lot of thoughtful responses when you post that stuff.
