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Blow to Baltimore: Ravens LB Terrell Suggs tore his Achilles playing basketball.
Blow to Baltimore: Ravens LB Terrell Suggs tore his Achilles playing basketball.
A partial tear carries at least the same risk of long-term re-injury and complications, but the recovery time (mostly due to the lack of reconstructive surgery) and return to play estimates would be much better.Jene, if it's only a partial tear is that significantly better than a full tear? Thinking in terms of recovery time and likelihood of returning to his pre-injury form.
Is it absolutely true that MFL will change his designation? When will we know this?Between losing guys like Mathis to LB and an injury like this my DE spot is getting rteally thin. It's so tough these days keeping a reliable DE position with swaps to OLB and injuries.
This is what I would suspect at this time. I don't think they usually update positions until June.Is it absolutely true that MFL will change his designation? When will we know this?Between losing guys like Mathis to LB and an injury like this my DE spot is getting rteally thin. It's so tough these days keeping a reliable DE position with swaps to OLB and injuries.
Suggs designation as DE is exactly why I am asking about Mathis.'Nate Blough said:Can someone explain why on MFL that Suggs is listed as a DE? Wouldnt therefore Updhaw also be listed as a DE rather than a LB?
because people would revolt if they moved him.I think he plays more DE than OLB but he always goes to the Pro Bowl as a LB for some reason.'Nate Blough said:Can someone explain why on MFL that Suggs is listed as a DE? Wouldnt therefore Updhaw also be listed as a DE rather than a LB?
And a few years back when he was franchised, he won his argument that he's more a DE than an OLB (cause the franchise amount was higher).because people would revolt if they moved him.I think he plays more DE than OLB but he always goes to the Pro Bowl as a LB for some reason.'Nate Blough said:Can someone explain why on MFL that Suggs is listed as a DE? Wouldnt therefore Updhaw also be listed as a DE rather than a LB?
A couple of seasons ago, Suggs, with his nickel snaps included was about 60-40 (ish) DE > LB. According to numbers tweeted by PFF today, it was much closer to 50-50 last year.Ironically, Norton and Borbely had been talking about how to handle Suggs/Freeney/Mathis etal over the past week as we started to finalize rankings and projections. Suggs was getting listed in fewer and fewer places as a DE over the past 12 months and it's very likely that the Colts' depth chart would read differently than the Ravens' chart for the same scheme. Still trying to decide how to proceed there, but unfortunately Suggs' injury may take away the most ambiguous case for 2012.because people would revolt if they moved him.I think he plays more DE than OLB but he always goes to the Pro Bowl as a LB for some reason.'Nate Blough said:Can someone explain why on MFL that Suggs is listed as a DE? Wouldnt therefore Updhaw also be listed as a DE rather than a LB?
Where did they say that? All I see is that they said the Ravens would have to play 3-4 more cause they lost Suggs...which means Suggs was the reason they were in 4-3 alignments more. Not only that, in their top 100 player rankings they stated that he topped their list at 4-3 DEs. In 2010 he played 77% of his snaps at DE and I watched a lot of Ravens games this year and it seems like it increased to 80% or more. A DE dropping back into coverage, which he didn't even do that often, doesn't make him a LB. The only reason he got the DE/LB tag was because they wanted to pay him less money. That doesn't change the fact that he's a DE.According to numbers tweeted by PFF today, it was much closer to 50-50 last year.
LinkWhere did they say that? All I see is that they said the Ravens would have to play 3-4 more cause they lost Suggs...which means Suggs was the reason they were in 4-3 alignments more. Not only that, in their top 100 player rankings they stated that he topped their list at 4-3 DEs. In 2010 he played 77% of his snaps at DE and I watched a lot of Ravens games this year and it seems like it increased to 80% or more. A DE dropping back into coverage, which he didn't even do that often, doesn't make him a LB. The only reason he got the DE/LB tag was because they wanted to pay him less money. That doesn't change the fact that he's a DE.According to numbers tweeted by PFF today, it was much closer to 50-50 last year.
It's a little surprising to me, too. That's not exactly what's indicated elsewhere in their own numbers last year and I don't remember seeing Suggs in a two point stance that often.Terrell Suggs played just under 1,100 snaps for the Ravens last season - 52% as a linebacker, 48% as an end.
not sure Merriman is a great comparison, but he really hasn't been the same since his injury.Comparing injuries of Merriman, Suggs
May, 3, 2012
By James Walker | ESPN.com
There are several similarities between the recent injuries to Buffalo Bills outside linebacker Shawne Merriman and Baltimore Ravens Pro Bowler Terrell Suggs. Now, both are coming off Achilles injuries heading into next season.
Here are some thoughts on the two pass-rushers:
If Merriman's injury is an indication, Suggs should be concerned. Merriman used to be a dominant pass-rusher. But Merriman has clearly lost a step or two after his Achilles troubles, and a quick first step is vital for any pass-rusher. Merriman went from an explosive edge rusher with a burst to just an effort pass-rusher who was much easier to block. Suggs has a great burst with a variety of nimble moves, and he needs to rehab vigorously to maintain it.
Merriman is two years younger than Suggs, which also can be a concern for the Baltimore star. Merriman, 27, has been unable to get back to form despite being in his prime years. Suggs, 29, suffered his Achilles injuries two years older, which is significant in football years. Suggs is a great player in his prime. He's also the reigning NFL Defensive Player of the Year. But Suggs will be 30 in October.
One difference that is clear is Suggs will have his surgery right away. Merriman struggled with his Achilles and tried to play through it.
The injury put Merriman on injured reserve in back-to-back seasons before he finally decided to have corrective surgery this year. Suggs wisely is getting his surgery immediately and can start a full rehab process. He hopes to return in the second half of the 2012 season at 100 percent.
I covered Suggs for several years in the AFC North, and he is a flat out beast. He was one of the most dominant and all-around stout defensive players I've ever covered. It's hard to imagine a physical freak like Suggs not being a great player when he returns. But this is a worrisome injury for an elite pass-rusher, and one he needs to be careful not to rush.
For some reason I don't believe this...that's exactly 100%, but Suggs lines up as a DB on rare occasions too...unless it was a very miniscule amount this season and disappeared after rounding. A 30% drop in snaps at DE seems weird to me. I wonder if they changed the game viewer/stat collector for the Ravens on PFF. Considering he had more snaps at LB, shouldn't he be ranked by them as a 4-3 LB then?LinkWhere did they say that? All I see is that they said the Ravens would have to play 3-4 more cause they lost Suggs...which means Suggs was the reason they were in 4-3 alignments more. Not only that, in their top 100 player rankings they stated that he topped their list at 4-3 DEs. In 2010 he played 77% of his snaps at DE and I watched a lot of Ravens games this year and it seems like it increased to 80% or more. A DE dropping back into coverage, which he didn't even do that often, doesn't make him a LB. The only reason he got the DE/LB tag was because they wanted to pay him less money. That doesn't change the fact that he's a DE.According to numbers tweeted by PFF today, it was much closer to 50-50 last year.It's a little surprising to me, too. That's not exactly what's indicated elsewhere in their own numbers last year and I don't remember seeing Suggs in a two point stance that often.Terrell Suggs played just under 1,100 snaps for the Ravens last season - 52% as a linebacker, 48% as an end.
And the coming off the juice. I would hesitate to compare these two. I'm not aware of Suggs ever testing positive for PED.The Merriman comparison is pertinent, but Walker left out the PCL/LCL injury Merriman had in 2008, which had already turned him into a marginal pass rusher (4 sacks in 14 games in 2009) before his Achilles' troubles.
Hadn't heard Osi mentioned to the Ravens.Thought it was interesting enough speculation to pass along.With Defensive Player of the Year Terrell Suggs sidelined indefinitely, the Baltimore Ravens' Super Bowl chances just took a hit -- unless, of course, they somehow find the right guy to replace him.
But they can, and I know how: By making a phone call.
Yep, if I were general manager Ozzie Newsome I'd be on speed dial with the New York Giants' Jerry Reese, making him an offer he couldn't refuse for disgruntled defensive end Osi Umenyiora. Umenyiora is in the last year of his contract, and he doesn't appear to have a future with the Giants beyond this season.
... Osi Umenyiora is not in the Giants' long-term future.
That's not exactly a revelation. The guy was replaced in the starting lineup last season by Jason Pierre-Paul who, it just so happened, emerged as one of the league's most talented, most disruptive and most productive defensive performers.
JPP is 23 and in his third season; Umenyiora turns 31 this year and is in his tenth season. That could make Umenyiora expendable, and if I'm Newsome I find out.
I mean, he just lost his best defensive player -- presumably for the entire season -- and while I know the Ravens are lining up candidates to replace him, including Paul Kruger, Sergio Kindle and rookie Courtney Upshaw, tell me which of them rushes the passer like Umenyiora.
I'll spare you the trouble: None.
In his last 57 games, Umenyiora has 40.5 sacks. He had 14.5 one season, 13 in another, and six sacks in one game. His average of .71 sacks per game from 2007-11 is tied for fifth best in the NFL with Philadelphia's Trent Cole and Denver's Elvis Dumvervil and ranks behind only DeMarcus Ware, Jared Allen, Mario Williams and James Harrison.
But that's not all: In 2010 he set a league record with 10 forced fumbles and twice in his career has four recoveries. I think you get the idea: Umeyiora knows how to get to the passer, which was Suggs' strength, and he knows how to get to the football.
So go after him, Baltimore. Granted, the Ravens play a 3-4, but Umeyiora would be a stand-up linebacker who does what Suggs does -- namely, rush the quarterback. He can do that out of a three-point stance, or he can do it upright. It doesn't matter. The results are the same. Only where he does it as a situational guy with the Giants, he could be a starter with Baltimore -- provided, of course, the Giants are interested in dealing.
"All of our options are always open," Reese said.
If I'm Newsome, I find out what that means, and I find out now.
The Ravens inquired last season when Umeyiora was stewing, and nothing worked out ... with them or anyone else, and one reason was compensation. The Giants wanted a first-round pick. One year later, the price can only go down, basically because everyone knows Umenyiora is unhappy and isn't going back to Big Blue in 2013.
Trust me, the Giants know, too. But they also know they can keep him around another year at a relatively cheap price ($3.975 million) and call on him when the down and distance demand it.
But why would they? Pierre-Paul has supplanted him. Umenyiora is miserable and could be a distraction waiting to happen. The Giants don't seem interested in re-signing him, and he doesn't seem interested in re-signing with them. Plus, New York could gain something of value for him now instead of having him walk in a year.
... Newsome should be on the phone. Tell the Giants why peddling Umenyiora could be addition by subtraction and make them motivated sellers. Not only would they gain a draft pick for an unhappy camper who's a short-timer anyway; they'd be rid of a potential headache.
And the Ravens? They'd find what they need. They'd find an ideal replacement for Terrell Suggs.
Im guessing they want to see in a couple months if he has a chance to make it back for the NFL playoff in January.Any guesses
Awesome news and a if he starts, he'll be a nice fill in for Cameron Wake who is off on bye week.http://www.whosay.com/AdamSchefter/content/419997?wsref=fb&code=BwE4oLE
Despite returning to practice only Wednesday from a torn Achilles in April, Ravens LB Terrell Suggs is targeting and expecting to play Sunday versus Houston, according to league sources. Sources said that even Suggs’ family and friends have plans to travel to Houston
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000081785/article/ravens-would-be-shocked-terrell-suggs-plays-vs-texans?campaign=Twitter_writers_breerUpdating a previous item, NFL Network and the Baltimore Sun are reporting that the Ravens do not expect OLB Terrell Suggs (Achilles') to return this week.
Now possibly a torn bicep? Any news on this from a reliable source?Jene, if it's only a partial tear is that significantly better than a full tear? Thinking in terms of recovery time and likelihood of returning to his pre-injury form.
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that Terrell Suggs' "upper arm injury" is a torn biceps.Schefter adds that Suggs is expected to miss some time, but it is not believed to be a season-ending injury at this point. Suggs tweeted on Monday that he is going to get a second opinion on the injury, so we should know more by Tuesday or Wednesday. For what it's worth, Dolphins LB Karlos Dansby is currently playing through a torn biceps, so that's the good news. The severity of the tear will determine how much time Suggs misses. Dec 3 - 9:24 PM