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Gronk......$54 million man (1 Viewer)
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Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
Love it.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Jimmy Graham just did a pickle dance.
Guess this definitely answers who the Pats think is the best TE on the team, huh?
Guess this definitely answers who the Pats think is the best TE on the team, huh?
Borat
Footballguy
Was that really a question?
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Judging from some of what I read from my fellow FBGs? Yes.Was that really a question?
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Good deal for New England.
8 MIL guaranteed. Wonder how Welker will process this,
although there is a monster difference between a
long term deal for a 23 year old, and a 31 year old.
8 MIL guaranteed. Wonder how Welker will process this,
although there is a monster difference between a
long term deal for a 23 year old, and a 31 year old.
butcher boy
Footballguy
Wonderful, now he can spend even more time and money partying in clubs and getting into trouble. Giving a man-child like this a huge paycheck can't be good. This reeks of a situation where he will underperform after getting his payday.
ZWK
Footballguy
Great move by the Patriots locking him up long-term. This is the kind of move that the Eagles have always made, getting a player signed long-term well before he hits the market. $9M per year isn't that much for one of the top receivers in the NFL (it's Santonio Holmes money), and it will seem even smaller two years from now when he starts his extension years (let alone 7 years from now when he'll still be on this contract).
Shutout
Footballguy
Such good stuff..
I wish, somehow, FBG could make everyone register their FF teams and everytime you make a post, anytime you type a player's name that you own, a little picture of Homer Simpson gets stamped beside it. It would be amazing to see how many people probably blindly defend the players they own, trash the competitors, and likely never really talk about anybody else. I guess Welker may not be thrilled but it would be hard to argue that he's worth every penny. Reminds me of SHAQ in his hey-day. Just such a blend of talent and size that he changes the rules on how you "try" to defend him.
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zamboni
Footballguy
Not a bad point - we'll see what he's made of.
Max Power
Footballguy
rizzler
Footballguy
54 million... and playing for a winner
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Max Power
Footballguy
and only 13Mil over the next 3 years. Finley will make 15 over the next two. You really think the Pats are going to being paying in the 12Mil per year range for the last couple years of this contract when it's a team option? Consider Brady will be done by then...54 million... and playing for a winner
It's a great deal for the Pats and can understand if you think Gronk should have waited but on the same token it's evidently clear what he got out of the deal.He does not do this he still has to play two full years to hit FA. Even than the cost of TE's is not high they could have franchised him 3 and even 4 years from now for what would probably amount to around $5-6 million per year. So he'd be looking at a situation of no guarantees and possibility of total pay for the next 4 seasons of around $11-13 millions estimated. Instead he gets the security of a sizable guaranty and over this same 4 year period a chance to earn over $18million instead of what I would estimate as $11-13 million.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
and only 13Mil over the next 3 years. Finley will make 15 over the next two.54 million... and playing for a winner
yeah, I guess he should've stuck with the 1.1m he was going to be making over the next 2 yrs.What I find more interesting in this equation is what the Patriots do with Hernandez who has two years left on his cheap rookie deal. Do they extend him early? Play hardball and franchise him a year or two considering the cost to franchise a TE is only around $5.5 mill per year? If this happens does Hernandez than try to battle the Patriots the way Finley was going to try and battle the Packers by contending he's really a WR and not a TE? If the Pats don't try and strike long term extension with Hernandez how's his mood/attitude going to be over the next few seasons? If they don't extend him he will have played his first 4 years in the league and "only" made about $2.4 million. Even if they franchise him for him for the next two years Hernandez could be looking at a situation were after 6 years in the league his total pay was "only" in a $13-15 million range.
cstu
Footballguy
Gronk understands he's a big injury risk the way he plays and is happy to take the guaranteed money.and only 13Mil over the next 3 years. Finley will make 15 over the next two.54 million... and playing for a winner
tombonneau
Footballguy
Makes great sense for Gronk short term as he gets some big bucks right now. And on paper looks great for Pats as they have him locked up long term. But let's be realistic. This is a Rosenhaus client. If Gronk has 2-3 more seasons at this level I fully expect him to demand a re-structured deal and frankly he should get it. Pats know they need Gronk until Brady retires.
I don't think it has as much to do with the way he plays as it does with the fact he missed his last year of college with what some NFL teams described as a degenerative back issue. He was actually removed from a few NFL teams draft boards due to this which is why I understand him taking the guarantees and what probable chance to earn about 1/3rd more over the next 4 years than he'd have made playing out his contract and getting franchised.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
gronk was probably looking at around 15k take home pay each week of the football season for the next 2 years, and they just dumped 8m on him.
I'm sure he's pretty happy about it.
some people have been speculating about how wes feels, but I think he's still scheduled to make a bit more than gronk this year.
he didn't get a 6 yr extension, but he's obviously a bit older, and he didn't just destroy wr records and block like a tackle.
I'm sure he's pretty happy about it.
some people have been speculating about how wes feels, but I think he's still scheduled to make a bit more than gronk this year.
he didn't get a 6 yr extension, but he's obviously a bit older, and he didn't just destroy wr records and block like a tackle.
Gronk scored 6 PPG more. That's a huge gap
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I know that, but it isn't like Hernandez is some under the radar guy. He's a bona fide top TE as well. Just not elite.Gronk scored 6 PPG more. That's a huge gap
rizzler
Footballguy
Sure... but that 6PPG equates to +96pts on the season.I'll take that all day 'er day. There are some situations where I give a big FU to "value".This is one of them.I know that, but it isn't like Hernandez is some under the radar guy. He's a bona fide top TE as well. Just not elite.Gronk scored 6 PPG more. That's a huge gap
werdnoynek
Footballguy
considering he was one of the top receivers in the league last year you would think he could have demanded more... like top WR money, not top TE money. as one of the best receivers in the game atm, shouldn't be paid like one?
imo, it was a pretty bad deal for him actually, but for the pats it was an amazing deal.
imo, it was a pretty bad deal for him actually, but for the pats it was an amazing deal.
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griff321
Footballguy
Exactly. I think pretty much every person that was pimping Hernandez last year said they would BOTH be top 5 or 10. Just cause Gronk is a superhuman doesn't mean that Hernandez is worthless.I know that, but it isn't like Hernandez is some under the radar guy. He's a bona fide top TE as well. Just not elite.Gronk scored 6 PPG more. That's a huge gap
matttyl
Footballguy
The total cash for the next four years will be $18.23 million, which exceeds the combination of Gronkowski’s prior contract for the next two years and two years of the franchise tag.
Might be a dumb question, but how could they know that? We don't know what the franchise tag amounts are for 2013, so how can we possibly know what they will be in 2014 and 2015?
Might be a dumb question, but how could they know that? We don't know what the franchise tag amounts are for 2013, so how can we possibly know what they will be in 2014 and 2015?
The guy who had the original quote was remarking about how some people prefer AHern over Gronk. I don't know how one could rationally reach that conclusion, but to each their own. And there are definitely people who hold that belief out there.Exactly. I think pretty much every person that was pimping Hernandez last year said they would BOTH be top 5 or 10. Just cause Gronk is a superhuman doesn't mean that Hernandez is worthless.I know that, but it isn't like Hernandez is some under the radar guy. He's a bona fide top TE as well. Just not elite.Gronk scored 6 PPG more. That's a huge gap
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
You can demand 50m/yr that doesn't mean you'll get it.Go ahead and demand -- I'll be pat kirwan playing pats front office:You can go ahead and play out your rookie deal at 15k/wk for the next 2 yrs and pray nothing happens8m is now off the table
werdnoynek
Footballguy
being that he's arguably the best TE in the league and one of the best receiving targets in the league, i highly doubt they would just say forget it. i think he had alot more leverage than he utilized and could have gotten a whole lot more out of the deal - or from another team. again, props to the pats for doing what they did, but i'm just saying he's not getting paid nearly as much as he's worth imo.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
from another team -- what are you talking about??you know he's under his rookie contract for 2 more years, and then they have the option to franchise tag him repeatedly, right?
or is he going to fake his own death and try to sign on with another team using a phoney moustache, telling people he's Yosoy Fiesta from the mexican football league?
go back and tell your client you tore up his 8m dollar check, and another future 9m guaranteed (or whatever).
hope the back holds up ok.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
lol deangelo fail
suggs block should be in here:
gronk running route on far right
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhamDo7F9yI
suggs block should be in here:
gronk running route on far right
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhamDo7F9yI
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werdnoynek
Footballguy
you know you don't always have to begin a reply with a "you know" (but i think you don't) question... right?anyway, i do know, i meant he could get a whole hell of alot more after the rookie deal in the open market (another team) and could have used that against the pats as leverage at that time (which is next season). $18.17 million guaranteed seems great and all but it's pretty low for adding 6 years onto his rookie contract. he could have stuck it out with the rookie deal this season and gotten a lot more in negotiations next season imo. sure theres a risk of injury (which is very real with him given back issues that put him in the 2nd round of the draft to begin with) but again, it seems like a pretty lowball offer for one of the top receivers in the league. he's stuck with this deal until 2019 and if continues to be one of the top receivers in the league he's going to be severely underpaid for his services.
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Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
well, if ya don't know, now ya know.you know you don't always have to begin a reply with a "you know" (but i think you don't) question... right?anyway, i do know, i meant he could get a whole hell of alot more after the rookie deal in the open market (another team) and could have used that against the pats as leverage at that time (which is next season). $18.17 million guaranteed seems great and all but it's pretty low for adding 6 years onto his rookie contract. he could have stuck it out with the rookie deal this season and gotten a lot more in negotiations next season imo. sure there’s a risk of injury (which is very real with him given back issues that put him in the 2nd round of the draft to begin with) but again, it seems like a pretty lowball offer for one of the top receivers in the league. he's stuck with this deal until 2019 and if continues to be one of the top receivers in the league he's going to be severely underpaid for his services.
you know he's under his rookie contract for 2 more years, and then they have the option to franchise tag him repeatedly, right?
or is he going to fake his own death and try to sign on with another team using a phoney moustache, telling people he's Yosoy Fiesta from the mexican football league?
go back and tell your client you tore up his 8m dollar check, and another future 9m guaranteed (or whatever).
hope the back holds up ok.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
well, if ya don't know, now ya know.you know you don't always have to begin a reply with a "you know" (but i think you don't) question... right?anyway, i do know, i meant he could get a whole hell of alot more after the rookie deal in the open market (another team) and could have used that against the pats as leverage at that time (which is next season). $18.17 million guaranteed seems great and all but it's pretty low for adding 6 years onto his rookie contract. he could have stuck it out with the rookie deal this season and gotten a lot more in negotiations next season imo. sure there’s a risk of injury (which is very real with him given back issues that put him in the 2nd round of the draft to begin with) but again, it seems like a pretty lowball offer for one of the top receivers in the league. he's stuck with this deal until 2019 and if continues to be one of the top receivers in the league he's going to be severely underpaid for his services.
you know he's under his rookie contract for 2 more years, and then they have the option to franchise tag him repeatedly, right?
or is he going to fake his own death and try to sign on with another team using a phoney moustache, telling people he's Yosoy Fiesta from the mexican football league?
go back and tell your client you tore up his 8m dollar check, and another future 9m guaranteed (or whatever).
hope the back holds up ok.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I'm saying that Hernandez isn't a sleeper. In my dynasty superflex startup auction coming up in a few weeks, I have Gronk in my very top target group alongside only Rodgers, Calvin, and Graham. They tower above everyone else in that format IMO. The gap between Gronk and Graham and the rest of the pool is as wide as any players I've seen at a position since Priest Holmes and Ladainian topped the RB standings when they were approaching 30 touchdowns. The VBD on those guys must be off the charts. I will own one. Probably Graham though as I already own Gronk in another dynasty and like to diversify if possible.'rizzler said:Sure... but that 6PPG equates to +96pts on the season.I'll take that all day 'er day. There are some situations where I give a big FU to "value".This is one of them.'Sabertooth said:I know that, but it isn't like Hernandez is some under the radar guy. He's a bona fide top TE as well. Just not elite.'lbouchard said:Gronk scored 6 PPG more. That's a huge gap'Sabertooth said:'rizzler said:
rizzler
Footballguy
I'm saying that Hernandez isn't a sleeper. In my dynasty superflex startup auction coming up in a few weeks, I have Gronk in my very top target group alongside only Rodgers, Calvin, and Graham. They tower above everyone else in that format IMO. The gap between Gronk and Graham and the rest of the pool is as wide as any players I've seen at a position since Priest Holmes and Ladainian topped the RB standings when they were approaching 30 touchdowns. The VBD on those guys must be off the charts. I will own one. Probably Graham though as I already own Gronk in another dynasty and like to diversify if possible.'rizzler said:Sure... but that 6PPG equates to +96pts on the season.'Sabertooth said:I know that, but it isn't like Hernandez is some under the radar guy. He's a bona fide top TE as well. Just not elite.'lbouchard said:Gronk scored 6 PPG more. That's a huge gap'Sabertooth said:'rizzler said:
I'll take that all day 'er day.
There are some situations where I give a big FU to "value".
This is one of them.
Agree and agree.Personally, I think people are missing the boat not intending to draft one of Gronk or Graham (tho, as I always say, to each their own)... But to purposely go into a draft saying, "I'm not touching Gronk or Graham cuz I can get a value pick in Hernandez in rnd X" are foolish.
"Value" is more often than not, overrated and misunderstood, IMO
If anyone in my league took Gronk or Graham at the tail end of rnd 1 or anywhere in rnd 2, I wouldn't bat an eyelash. In fact, I'd applaud it.
I guess all I'm trying to say is... Why on earth would someone say "I'm avoiding the best of the best" regardless of situation?
hardly anyone believes this. i mean, i can point to minute segments of the population believing wuper weird and dumb stuff but who cares wat miniscule amounts of ppl think. its super weak i told ya so type posting.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I know this will never happen, but I wish the NFL reporters would make it standard to report the guaranteed portions of contracts versus the headline numbers. The guaranteed numbers mean absolutely nothing, yet make it seem like so much more commitment than it is.
Now don't get me wrong, guaranteeing $13.8mm is no insignificant, particularly when he's just 23 years old with several years left on his rookie deal. The Patriots willingness to extend him so quickly should be seen as a clear endorsement of not only his role, but also their belief that he's off the charts elite and a key (if not the key) to the passing attack.
I think the most important takeaway from this extension is it should put to bed any worry about his offseason rehab. I cannot fathom an organization like the Patriots would've given him this deal if there were ANY fears about Gronk being 100% for this season.
Now don't get me wrong, guaranteeing $13.8mm is no insignificant, particularly when he's just 23 years old with several years left on his rookie deal. The Patriots willingness to extend him so quickly should be seen as a clear endorsement of not only his role, but also their belief that he's off the charts elite and a key (if not the key) to the passing attack.
I think the most important takeaway from this extension is it should put to bed any worry about his offseason rehab. I cannot fathom an organization like the Patriots would've given him this deal if there were ANY fears about Gronk being 100% for this season.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Doubt Finley sees the entirety of that contract.Either he plays well this year and gets extended (or traded).Or he flops and gets released or traded.There is a reason none of it was guaranteed.and only 13Mil over the next 3 years. Finley will make 15 over the next two. You really think the Pats are going to being paying in the 12Mil per year range for the last couple years of this contract when it's a team option? Consider Brady will be done by then...54 million... and playing for a winner
Borden
Footballguy
In the Gronk versus Hernandez discussion (redraft I assuming since no one is giving up Gronk) I think it depends on where you're picking and how deep you feel RB is. If you take Gronk in the first 2 rows who is coming back to you? What is better getting Gronk and a time share back or Hernandez and a feature back?
Jason Wood
Zoo York
The big question is whether Hernandez will be as featured as he was last year. The Patriots have a legitimate deep threat now in Brandon Lloyd, and he factors in. Something has to give. I'm still high on Hernandez so that doesn't bother me, but Gronk was demonstrably better than Hernandez last year and is a big focal point of the team. I see Gronk and Jimmy Graham in their own TE tier, and don't view anyone else as that close.
